Does the type of joint really affect the value of a cue that much?

The type of joint can, but not always, affect the demand and interest in a cue.
The inference being the higher the demand and interest, the better is the price.

A Balabushka cue will command a admittedly high price and everyone knows
George loved to use 5/16x14 piloted steel joints & Cortland linen #9 cue wraps.

His cues are in high demand as are Szamboti pool cues, Gus & Barry. Gus also
mainly used 5/16x14 joints and Barry mostly uses the same joint. It is still popular.

Can a joint increase the demand and value of a pool cue? Absolutely and anyone
thinking otherwise hasn’t considered historical cue sales or even the current trend.

Rarity and scarcity are the key elements in determining the value of a cue, even if
there’s low interest that can be confused with demand. Expensive cue have a much
smaller financial audience. This also applies to a cue’s appeal when it’s priced right.

Most folks know I am a fan of flat ivory joints. Despite that over a dozen states have
banned ivory, the majority of our country still allows ivory sales. Cues with ivory joints
are declining in use by cue makers to avoid legal issues fulfilling orders for buyers in
selected states. However, there’s still a substantial population of cues already made.

Joel Hercek is my favorite cue maker and I’ve been fortunate to talk with him about his
cue making. He knew I was his #1 fan and was so generous with his time. I told him
about my frustrating experience trying to find one of his cues that coincided in specs
with my other cues. Joel explained why saying he’s only made a limited number of cues
with the joint, shafts and weight I want and made a lot more cues with piloted ivory joints.

A George Balabushka ivory joint is rare and highly prized by collector worth big bucks.
Szamboti cues with ivory joints are more common but the value increase also coincides.
Joel Hercek cues are the same. I could keep citing cue makers but the point is deceased
cue makers and currently active ones can build cues that have added value because of
the design of the cue’s anatomy. Of course, a cue maker’s reputation is a big factor and
so does the cue maker’s wait list and annual production. There are lots of factors involved.

A 5/16x14 steel joint does not limit or lower the value of a cue. An ivory joint cue can, but
not necessarily, increase a cue’s value but it certainly shouldn’t diminish it. Here’s the real
bottomline. If you buy a pool cue worrying about how much you could sell it for later on,
you likely are buying the wrong cue. Flipping cues is like flipping coins. Sometimes you’ll
guess right and other times be dead wrong. With cues, that can become a expensive mistake.

Pool cues are a horrible investment but if you buy right, you’ll get to play with a great pool cue
and you can eventually, or your heirs could, recover what you paid for the cue by selling it. If
there was any loss, it’d be minuscule compared with most other cue sales. Just take care of
that cue keeping it pristine and spend as much as you can afford to get the best cue possible.

I have enough cues to leave a nice one to all of my children and grandkids. Hopefully, they’d
pass it along in time just as I hope would happen to my collection of guns and knives. I have a
bunch of handguns but two special rifles (1903A1 Springfield sporterized & 1948 Winchester 94).

Back to pool cue value and cue joints. Remember this…..nothing in life, no outcome is assured.
People may joking refer to how about death or taxes. I’m referring to pool cues and investments.

If you buy a pool cue expecting to make a profit, you had better be buying low and right or else
you’ll be singing the blues. Pool cues are not a smart investment vehicle & cue joints can be a factor.

Does the type of joint really affect the value of a cue that much?

I respect your opinion, but disagree with this statement. Have you played with a Tascarella, Tim Scruggs, Black Boar or Schon with a steal joint? All these cues play great and are still very relevant in the cue sales market.

Thanks
-don
It is sad that a lot of cue makers deserted the good old SS 5/16x14, I like that joint, but I also like the 3/8x10 joint.
I guess that with the introduction of radial and modified 3/8x10 and better equipment most of the wooden threads issues were gone so the transfer made sense.
The piloted joint is mostly obsolete as after market shaft have such a tiny pilot to “fit them all” thst the whole joint is obsolete.

St. Louis Louie vs. Archer 1990

Secondly, the equipment was inferior. The cloth had a nap and was slow and the cues were spindly with lots of deflection. Today's modern low-deflection cues and fast, non-nap cloth allows smaller pockets. Just like golf, there is really no comparison between 35 years ago and now.

i have yet to see an old accustat or ESPN video where the equipment or conditions look worse than in the philippine gambling rooms where guys like orcullo, biado and raga grew up. the pinoy rooms seems to be getting fancier now in some places, but there are still fairly recent youtube streams with wonky star tables, sluggish cloth and piles of talcum on the rails.

lee van corteza, ko pin yi, ko ping chung, mickey krause, alex pags all play with maple shafts. but i concede that the learning curve is shorter with LD shafts. and it is even much shorter with all the video material out there.

St. Louis Louie vs. Archer 1990

Well, I've been around pro pool for 50 years, so I've watched them all.

I strongly disagree. They did not shoot as straight back then and, with a few exceptions, their fundamentals were not on a par with those of today's top cueists.

Agreed that it's not all about talent, but superior training and video resources are available to today's crop, and they play with far more technical elegance than all but a few of the last generation of players.

The current generation shoots straighter and has raised the level of decision making relative to the stars of the past. The next generation will exceed the performance of this one, and that's the normal progression of things.

For now, however, we are watching the most talented cueists that the game has ever seen, and as has been noted, it is chiefly because the number of players worldwide has skyrocketed.

Many of the old timers want to believe that the best of yesteryear were as skillful as the best of today, but it is simply not the case. The game has and will continue to evolve.
For the most part I won’t argue about the amount of players that can shoot as well as anyone ever has… and why. I tend to agree. But I’d argue overall that the past generation of players knew how to move around the table a little better because there were no jump cues and because of rule changes. Some of these young kids shoot so damn well though it’s hard to exploit this even if it is a weakness.

World Pool Championships 2025, July 21-26, Jeddah

You can only see one table from the US via wnttv.com.
Agreed that this was shocking. Perhaps this will be resolved tomorrow.

Worse, what we've gotten on Table 1 is two matches that were forgone conclusions before they began in Gorst vs Henderson and Shaw vs Al-Ohtaibi.

There were some very good matches today, but American fans did not get to see them.

Does the type of joint really affect the value of a cue that much?

SS joints are as dead as dinosaurs. I agree, they won't sell today, unless to an old school collector.
I respect your opinion, but disagree with this statement. Have you played with a Tascarella, Tim Scruggs, Black Boar or Schon with a steal joint? All these cues play great and are still very relevant in the cue sales market.

Thanks
-don

St. Louis Louie vs. Archer 1990

I think the players from years ago could play with today's players assuming they adapted to modern style of play. I don't think it is a matter of less talent. Old time players were mostly gamblers and played different because they didn't value any one game or set that much.
Well, I've been around pro pool for 50 years, so I've watched them all.

I strongly disagree. They did not shoot as straight back then and, with a few exceptions, their fundamentals were not on a par with those of today's top cueists.

Agreed that it's not all about talent, but superior training and video resources are available to today's crop, and they play with far more technical elegance than all but a few of the last generation of players.

The current generation shoots straighter and has raised the level of decision making relative to the stars of the past. The next generation will exceed the performance of this one, and that's the normal progression of things.

For now, however, we are watching the most talented cueists that the game has ever seen, and as has been noted, it is chiefly because the number of players worldwide has skyrocketed.

Many of the old timers want to believe that the best of yesteryear were as skillful as the best of today, but it is simply not the case. The game has and will continue to evolve.

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