Pool player families and their aggression towards critics

I played junior tourneys in the 90's and never witnessed any parents acting out, tourneys would start on a friday and typically there may not even be any parents there but even if they were they weren't instigating drama. I coached hs tennis and there weren't any issues with the parents but watching my older nephew play travel baseball was a completely different story!!

I always thought that the elite tennis players in the state who's dads were either doctors or lawyers were the most spoiled kids until I watched my older nephew race 4 wheelers. One family had an RV with basically a garage in the rear and a motorized ramp to lift bikes/4 wheelers into it!!

I am not a tennis person, but my parents were. My father was watching a high level junior tournament and saw a brother and sister leaving the tournament with their father and their trophies. You have heard of them. Brother is world class. Brother won that tournament, sister finished second in her division. Father yanked the trophy from her hands and threw it in the trash, saying stuff like we don’t finish second in this family etc…. Sounded nice.

Pool player families and their aggression towards critics

People that have any fame and our intelligent use social media to post to because it’s just the world we live in but then never look at the comments. What you’re talking about goes on in all sports. Some famous basketball player takes shit on twitter and his momma has to get on and make a fool of herself and him. Social media could have been amazing but it’s turned into poison

Btw you must be new to the game I guess . Pool is doing better then it’s done in a long time . It wasn’t but less then 10 years ago that there was only a couple major tournaments and you were watching pro’s play in the local pa 9 ball championship just trying to earn a little money to eat. We are now far from that with payouts continually rising. We are in a better place then we have been since the early to mid 90s

Pool player families and their aggression towards critics

Is this what pool has devolved into these days?

Someone makes a comment about them, and their families lose their sh*t and make asses of themselves all over social media?

All that's gonna do is bring more focus on the players in question, which means more criticism. Good job.

It's like watching families at Little League games, wrestling matches, or whatever other sports where little Johnny didn't get all the ref favoritism and audience fanfare the families wanted with parents losing it.

How utterly embarrassing.

One thing for sure, I will never expect ANY professionalism from the players who's families act like this. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree IMO.

If I was a major sponsor, those would be the players that got overlooked unless they publicly denounced their family's actions. I don't care how good they might play.

No wonder American pool is going into the toilet.
Jeez, already discussed ad nauseam in the Mosconi thread - nothing to get all self righteous about, IMO. My Dad doesn’t go near social media, lol, but no reason to fault a parent for having his kid’s back.

One post so far as I know - hey, all the world and especially social media influencers get to spout whatever they want 24/7 - they can handle a little bit of pushback and frankly, are likely enjoying the extra clicks.

New way of measuring cueball deflection squirt angle?

I believe only the angle between the 2 lines matter. Not tip offset. I could be wrong.

The difference with this is it’s visible with the naked eye and a regular camera. So it’s very intuitive what’s happening. Also it’s only squirt, as the swerve would happen later. (Or most of it, anyway)

I was randomly looking at my channel and this video popped up. I happened to pause it and saw the lines due to the fast shot speed and said to myself “wow, that’s squirt visible to the naked eye”.

Introduction. Hi everyone

If you put my Ebony cue under bright light you can clearly see the wood grain.
I love ebony, but tend to prefer the lighter grained pieces. Both of my ebony cues (Predator Blak4-2 and Virtuoso Ebony/Green) have lighter grain and look incredible, not a fan of the dark pieces that are solid black. Not sure if that's a generally desirable trait with ebony or just personal preference.

Pool player families and their aggression towards critics

I played junior tourneys in the 90's and never witnessed any parents acting out, tourneys would start on a friday and typically there may not even be any parents there but even if they were they weren't instigating drama. I coached hs tennis and there weren't any issues with the parents but watching my older nephew play travel baseball was a completely different story!!

I always thought that the elite tennis players in the state who's dads were either doctors or lawyers were the most spoiled kids until I watched my older nephew race 4 wheelers. One family had an RV with basically a garage in the rear and a motorized ramp to lift bikes/4 wheelers into it!!
i hear lots of stories about junior tennis with the kids cheating the parents sharking the other kid etc
glad your experiences were better

So many tips to choose from.

You are totally clueless..
Factor in costs in that figure and the $30 profit looks very, very different.
Are you even aware of how much machinery and the products we use cost? Not only that, do you think we stock 5 tips in a corner somewhere?
Every time I order from Taom, Kamui, Caiden or any other big brand, that invoice is for thousands of dollars, so most cue makers have a considerable inventory so it's convenient for you as the customer.
Since I just bought a new lathe, I have some figures fresh in my mind:
Harrison M300 £5000
Movers $1000
DRO£500
Bison chuck $2000
Then add basic lathe tooling, add $1000 there
Last time I was at my supplier for sandpaper, Clear, CA, Epoxy etc. I spent a little over $160
With your $30 profit, feel free to tally up how many tip changes I need to do to break even, remember to factor in an hourly rate for myself as well. And I haven't even mentioned electricity, rent, electrician or stuff like oils, drive belts and other running costs..
Calm down Mister, I clearly said that I was not knocking the profit on cue tip replacement only. Anyone that I know doing cue tip replacement and a few other minor repairs is not standing behind $10,000 worth of brand new equipment and they are not spending thousands just on cue tip stock.
I don’t know who the hell you are- but stop looking for a fight where none exists. If the business is so cost burdening for you then find something else to do. You sound totally frustrated in your work- don’t take it out on me. I wish everyone who works to be successful - so whatever the hell profit that you do make on each tip replacement —- good for you. All I said was that I see a well managed cue tip replacement business as having high profit potential - I still believe that it can be just that without huge equipment and inventory cost as you seem to incur.

SJM at 2025 Mosconi Cup: Way too Late Thoughts

Obviously, I am incredibly late to the party, but I stayed in London for many days after the Mosconi and have finally arrived home. For me, it is now time to reflect.

Perhaps the Mosconi Cup buzz is gone by now and many will not care what I have to say. I have not read any of the Mosconi threads, so I risk repeating what others have said. As I am sure it has been covered at length already, I will not reflect on the specifics of the play, choosing to focus on the event itself, the fan experience, and the state of the Mosconi Cup as an event.

The Result
It was hard to imagine anything but a rout, as Team USA, inexplicably, showed up with the same team that bombed in 2024, despite the frequent, sometimes profane, sharking of Team Europe’s players a year ago that gave Team USA an unsurpassed, and unfair, home court advantage. Going in, I felt 11-6 would be respectable but I feared worse.

Nobody is a bigger fan of Fargo than me, but Fargo offers little, if any, guidance when the same five players that have already been mauled on home soil try their hand on foreign soil. Fargo also fails to account for who is in form. For example, Moritz Neuhausen is playing as well as anyone in the world not named Yapp. In the last three months alone, he medaled at three elite events, winning the Peri Open, getting silver at the Hanoi Open, and getting bronze at the Qatar 10ball. He came in on fire and, unless his Fargo was taken at face value, nobody should have been too surprised that he was Mosconi MVP.

On balance, Team Europe was stronger than a year ago, with Filler back in the mix displaying his top form and two very capable rookies in Labutis and Neuhausen. Add these three to the always dependable veterans Shaw and Alcaide, and Team Europe was formidable.

Perhaps 11-3 overstates the extent of this massacre, but even if a few less mistakes had been made by Team USA, the eye test said that Team USA was way below Team Europe in pedigree. Europe won eighteen more racks than Team USA, which left little doubt about the size of the gap. Put another way, Europe won over 58% of the racks played. Put a third way, even with a game on the wire in every match, Team USA would have still lost this Mosconi by 8-6. No contest!

Europe is Building for the Future, America is Not
For me, personally, the most unpleasant takeaway from this year’s Mosconi is that Europe built for the future with two twenty-something rookies getting their first taste of the Mosconi Cup. Europe is laying the foundation for future Mosconi Cup success while America is not. Hence, the future for Team USA looks at least as bleak as the present.

Let us not be delusional. Europe might well have won if they had fielded the under-25 team of Moritz Neuhausen, Kledio Kaci, Mickey Krause, Jonas Souto, and Szymon Kural, each of them Fargo 792 or better and each Top 100 in the world based on Fargo. Europe continues to develop many great young players, while America produces few.

The Fan Experience
As always, the fan experience was great. Nobody sets up an arena as well as Matchroom! The vibe at the event was electric and the camaraderie among the attending fans was patently obvious. The music was great, which is a given at the Mosconi.

For those that had VIP tickets, the dinner buffet was very nice and the room in which it took place was impressive. Alexandra Palace is a great arena, but getting there and getting home from there is not so easy. Still, Matchroom calls the Mosconi Cup “the biggest party in pool” and that is exactly what it is.

As usual, Emily Frazer was a most welcoming hostess, making a sincere effort to mix with many of the attendees.

European Fans
They were enthusiastic and sometimes rowdy but, with rare exception, they kept it tasteful. They could have easily sought retribution in the wake of the pathetic behavior of American fans at the 2024 Mosconi, but did not. Whether the 2026 American fans in Orlando return to civility is to be determined, but it can no longer be suggested that the European fans are less respectful of the players than American fans. For now, the opposite is true.

Referees
I was very disappointed with the referees in 2024 as they often tolerated unruly, sometimes profane, fan behavior even while players were down over the shot. This year, they made sure to rein in any fans that got out of line while players were over the shot and it added greatly to the competitive integrity of the event. Let us add that few, if any, poor calls were made by the referees. Well done!

Overall
This Mosconi reinforced just how far apart the US and Europe are as cueists. If Team USA in 2026 is unchanged from the last two years, unless Team Europe brings its “C” game, another massacre is likely. I will not knock the Team USA players. They are true professionals who gave it their best and conducted themselves admirably and with good sportsmanship, but I am sure that even they realize how far behind Europe they have fallen.

How to Fix It
Team USA needs to go young sooner rather than later. Why not bring in one or more of Lukas Verner, Lazaro Martinez, Sam Henderson, Nathan Childress, Eric Roberts, Landon Hollingsworth and Payne McBride and develop our best young players to build for the future. In my opinion, they have all shown great promise.

If we steadfastly refuse to go young, perhaps it is time to expand participation to include all the Americas, including Canada, USA, Mexico, Central America, and South America, which could bring the likes of Alex Pagulayan, John Morra, Jesus Atencio and Gerson Martinez into play.

Summation
The Mosconi Cup remains a great, entertaining event, but something must be done to make it more competitive. This year’s formula of bringing back a Team USA that was manhandled in 2024 on home soil almost guaranteed failure. At the very least, we all deserve a new edition of Team USA.

I hope we, in America, will not be delusional about this result. What might have been is irrelevant. The result was not about poor preparation, poor coaching, or poor mental game. It was not about poor lagging or poor breaking. It was about substandard decision making and poor execution of the shots.

Remediation must take place in the practice room. Unless one believes that Europeans are more naturally gifted at pool than Americans, they cannot deny that European cueists are outworking American ones, and they have the results to prove it.

Well played, Europe, but for America, it is time to regroup.

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