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Wanted: JOSS CUES: Model P18 and Model 12 (Images in thread)

qolbrand
Matt_24 said:
I'm taking a shot in the dark. I would love another JOSS Model 12 in my collection. I've also been searching for a P18. See catalog shots below. Please message me if you have one for sale, or a lead to one. Happy to pay a finder's fee if a successful transaction takes place. Thank you for your time.
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i have a joss that says 12-24 or 12-29 under the bumper.

Dunno if that means model 12 but im happy to send pics if you want to look at it
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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

Jaden
td873 said:
The only thing that should matter is the moment of contact. The language mentioned ("smooth," "timing," "follow-through") are descriptions of characteristics that we (as humans) need to accurately replicate the "moment of contact" for some manner of predicable result. That is, for all of us human pool players, we discuss stroke as a proxy/predictor for the "moment of contact."

If a machine could create the "moment of contact" with the same factors over and over using a 1mm, or whatever distance, "stroke" (e.g. the "spin, power, angle" noted) - it would have a repeatable and measurable result. There are no delivery/pre-delivery/post-delivery requirements. Just the force(s) at the moment of contact.

Here's a new robot that helps on this point. It does have some type of stroke, but only to accelerate the cue cue to mechanical limitations. If it could be done in a shorter distance, the result would be the same.

-td (my $0.02, probably worth less)

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I made something similar when I was testing my tips.
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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

Jaden
Oikawa said:
I tried to be clear about emphasizing that I am not talking about consistency, but the absolute limit of what is even possible, I don't disagree with you one bit about the consistency part.

Put in another way, I am not trying to ask about whether good timing helps in consistency (it does), I am asking on a more theoretical level if certain shots are literally impossible with bad timing, because this is what many people have claimed to me in real life and I've disagreed with them.
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Well, it depends on what you're referring to as "timing". Many people are really referring to acceleration when they talk about "timing"

Kind of a funny story, when I first started posting here, over twenty years ago now, me and Colin Colenso would get into these long arguments. After arguing and discussing over time, we ended up determing that we agreed on almost everything, we were just using different terms to describe it.

This may be the case here when someone talks about certain shots not being possible without the proper "timing". That has to do with many people REALLY not understanding what's happening when you stroke. They think they know, but don't really.

So while, no, there are no shots that require specific timing, someone who is claiming they do, might not be wrong, they may just not know what they're truly describing.
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Safe travels to those attending the Derby City Classic this year

Bob Jewett
The first year at the casino was the big ice storm.

Here is the current forecast -- be careful, especially if you are driving.

WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM LATE FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY MORNING

* WHAT...Heavy mixed precipitation possible. Total snow accumulations between 9 and 14 inches and ice accumulations around two tenths of an inch possible.

* WHERE...Portions of south central Indiana and central Kentucky.

* WHEN...From late Friday night through Monday morning.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult to impossible
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