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Hypothetical rules question - three fouls

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Found the clip, it was Filler v Albin. Was the 2nd foul he went in off, 3rd foul he got the escape but didn't hit a rail. First foul he managed to miscue breaking and didn't hit a single ball. Not sure what the final score was, but would take a good mentality to put that frame behind you and play your best for the rest of the match

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What beginner pool tip do you wish you learned sooner?

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Patrick Johnson said:
Of course not. That would be telling.

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This post was telling enough...
WobblyStroke said:
A primarily contraction driven flexion of the elbow can never approach the precision of a multi joint move of which a collapse of the elbow joint is a component.

You will be able to collapse the elbow joint and be accurate, sure. But to do so with touch and precice force control, you will need more than merely firing an elbow flexor.

Also, contractions fall pray to nervous tension. Repeatable forces don't. If you want access to those, multi joint movement is the way. The symphony beats a solo act every time.
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Repeatable forces are obviously more reliable and consistent than contractions. The body integrates them seemlessly in natural motion. They are required for fine force control in vertabrates. Any single contraction of a muscle simply cannot offer anywhere near the same level of precision.

This is just how bodies work. You can take a few years and learn the details of exactly how.

Luckily, there is no need to learn the science of it in order to use it. Just get out of the way and stop giving the arm bad instructions on how to move. It will arrive at a far better solution than our feeble conscious minds could ever produce.

All the greats have great strokes. All of them. Some are just labeled as flawed by people who have spent more time studying machines than studying bodies.
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If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

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Lowell said:
I was watching the 1998 US open finals and was surprised by how visibly less good the players were back then.

No disrespect to them of course, but it is mind blowing how far the game has come in just a few decades. But I do agree with those who day that the players are more robot like these days (for better or worse).
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It was still a more enjoyable game to watch back then, right? They were not all robots.
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If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

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DieselPete said:
Unfortunately, no. You simply would not have enough archived data to build an accurate ecosystem of play, going from the top pros down to the 400s and 500s-level players.

While we might be able to piece together some data for a top player (which would be painstaking) it would be almost impossible to then piece together how all of the players they played did against the players they played, and so on.

Consider: Joshua Filler has 14,869 games in the system. Other top players have similar numbers. The average guy in my league (which also contribute to the very same ecosystem that Filler's Fargo depends on) have anywhere from 200 to 2,000 games (easily). The guys I play with also play with Anthony Meglino (12,914 games), so there is a line from guys like Filler to the guy on the table next to me on a Monday night.

we could never recreate that level of interconnectedness for players from the 1980s and '90s.
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Wow, and I thought that 6,000 games in the system was a lot. I looked at some of the ratings of some of the players who signed up for a 650 and under capped event, and was shocked to see that they had over 6,000 games in the system. I guess odds are that they will be staying a 650, for example, like, for a very long time.
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If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

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Swighey said:
This just isn't true or even almost true.The best from yesteryear would have absolutely no chance (well of course this isn't true, it would be non-zero) against the best today. They would adjust immediately - have you actually watched them and seen how good they are?
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Even if they could not take their current equipment with them? And, had to play with what was available, in 1990, for example? Back then, there were no LD shafts, or Layered tips, or high tech break cues, and jump cues.
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If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

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sjm said:
I agree that Fargo is extremely accurate.

Still, it wasn't that long ago that there were zero players in the world that had a Fargo of 800. I think Shane and Wu were the first two, and that was in 2010 or so.

Actually, I think the 780 of fifteen years ago, who would have been a top ten player in the world at the time, would have had no trouble staying with a 780 of today. The 780 of today, however, is about the 150th best player in the world and makes a very marginal income from competition.
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I guess this is all because there are far more really great players.
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If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

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fastone371 said:
It doesn't matter how good the individual player is, there still would have been 850 FR players in every era. FR isn't based on how well you pocket balls or play the game, only how well you perform against your contemporaries.
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Yeah, very good point.
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What’s going on in Poland?

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mnorwood said:
I saw today where there are more players in the top 100 from Poland than the USA. When did pool get popular in Poland? Where do people play it? Do they have a strong juniors program? Is the game supported by the government? Is it league, gambling or tournament oriented? I think this is a really interesting development.
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they have a strong federation.
they have good coaches
they have junior programs
they treat pool as a sport, as an Olympic sport, not a bar pastime game
they do not play on 7ft tables
Add to this eastern European mentality towards sports.
They started gaining strength about 20 years ago, back then they had one player that was pro level - Babica
What you see today is the fruits of a 15-20 years effort with kids that are now the players that you see.
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