Alright all you 9ft Gold Crown one lovers...LOL

realkingcobra

realkingcobra

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Here you go. This is kind of a Gold Crown one/two....lol, meaning it started out as a nightmare, that being said...it came with 3 GC1 rails, 3 GC2 rails, a Gandy SHALLOW shelf slate, and triple shimed...that's 3 1/8th inch shims on both side of the pockets, and loose enough to wiggle them around, and stiff Super Speed cushions.

So, the first project was to replace the Super Speed cushions with Artemis Intercontinental K55 cushions. Then I tightened up the pockets by extending the rails, added 3/16" neoprene facings, changed the angles...and NOW, the pockets are 4 3/8" corners, 4 7/8" sides. Corner pocket angles are now 142 or 52 degrees depending on how you want to look at it, with a 15 degree down angle. Sides are 102 or 12 degrees, with a 15 degree down angle.

Simonis 860HR, stretched to 2 1/2" side to side...tight, and man I mean TIGHT!!

Then...the slate, well the Gandy just had to go...any one want a free Gandy slate??????????....LOL I replaced the Gandy slate...but NOT with a Brunswick Slate as one might think...no, not that slate, not for THIS table...LOL

I took a used Diamond 30mm Professional 3 piece deep shelf slate and put that on this table...LOL

Re-drilled all 18 rail bolt holes, and re-drilled and moved the slate screws on the ends of the slate closer to the corner pockets. All slate screws are now 1/4" x 20 x 4" machine screws with washers and nyloc nuts holding the slate to the frame.

All I can say...is this is a ONE OF A KIND GOLD CROWN 1-2.

It plays unbelievable, it's tight pocketed...rejects balls not made right, and laughs at you if you try cheating the corner pockets...LMAO

And I handed Jeff his butt in the first 2 games of one pocket, 8-1 and 8-3...but I'm NOT telling anyone Jeff:D

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Glen, the "Realkingcobra"
 
Looks great as always. :thumbup:

Did you take any pics of the slate prior to covering it so I could take a look at the redrilled rail bolt holes
 
Thanks for the pics Glen. I was wondering what you were up to. This table looks very challenging. How come you didn't tell me you were a one pocket player? I am in the middle of a table tune up and recover project myself and I am learning allot;). I saw a thread on the mechanics section on over stapled rails and the table that I am working on had that one beat hands down. I should be done with it early next week.
 
Glen, why no straight cut pockets anymore? Like they used to do on the old Sport Kings and Anniversaries. I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.
 
jay helfert said:
Glen, why no straight cut pockets anymore? Like they used to do on the old Sport Kings and Anniversaries. I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.
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As you can see in the picture of the corner pocket Jay, it's not to forgiving, yet they're fair if played right:D Straight cut pockets just make the target smaller, but not harder, as the balls are either in...or out. On this table the balls could be in...then right back out again if not hit good:D just like a Diamond;) But, this is the only GC I'm ever going to do like this, it's a pain in the butt matching slates to the frame, drilling all the bolt holes and moving the mounting holes for the slate to the frame.

Glen
 
grindz said:
Maybe....

Is it super clean? And when will you be in Az next?

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It's not a good slate, the corner pockets are cut so shallow the edge of the slate in the corner pockets was right out even with the mouth of the corner pockets....balls sucked in just like on a Valley bar box.

Glen
 
What's with the Shrinkage?

Just a quick Google fact check on Glen reveals that prior to his current profession of sewing up pockets tighter than a nit's nostrils, he used to be a professional fly-wing-yanker (synonym in Chineese Rictionary = sadistic).

Looking at the pockets Glen makes makes me cringe and squirm "I am not worthy!" How the hell am I supposed to get out with BIH with more than the 7 ball remaining?! I bet you could make a $250 Kmart blue plate special play damn near like a Diamond Pro Am on 'roids, and render me an APA 3.

The horror, the horror. :thud::thud:

Matt <---- steals table coins for the shrink
 
realkingcobra said:
It's not a good slate, the corner pockets are cut so shallow the edge of the slate in the corner pockets was right out even with the mouth of the corner pockets....balls sucked in just like on a Valley bar box.

Glen
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Glen, correct me if I'm wrong but the slate is not uniform on this table. The slate on the corner pocket with the eleven ball resting in it is cut much deeper (very deep) than the pocket with two balls in the mouth. Probably unavoidable on this table. Some pockets are easier than others on this table. Right or wrong?
 
Damn those pockets are tight. If you can shoot well on that table you will be laughing on any other table.
 
jay helfert said:
Glen, correct me if I'm wrong but the slate is not uniform on this table. The slate on the corner pocket with the eleven ball resting in it is cut much deeper (very deep) than the pocket with two balls in the mouth. Probably unavoidable on this table. Some pockets are easier than others on this table. Right or wrong?
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You've got good eyes for being that old!!! :thumbup:

I would think that some pockets will be easier because of this... Maybe the table is for one-pocket only, and that the harder pockets are both in the rack-end of the table ;)
 
Roy Steffensen said:
You've got good eyes for being that old!!! :thumbup:

I would think that some pockets will be easier because of this... Maybe the table is for one-pocket only, and that the harder pockets are both in the rack-end of the table ;)
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When you've been around this racket as long as me, you develop an 'eye' for things. I don't know how cues and tables are made, but I can tell a good one when I see one and play on/with it.
 
jay helfert said:
Glen, correct me if I'm wrong but the slate is not uniform on this table. The slate on the corner pocket with the eleven ball resting in it is cut much deeper (very deep) than the pocket with two balls in the mouth. Probably unavoidable on this table. Some pockets are easier than others on this table. Right or wrong?
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Nope Jay, all the corner pockets are the same. Here's the difference between your Diamond and this GC1. First of all, your table has a ProCut pockets, meaning 2 balls wide at the mouth, 4 1/2" if you will. Then if you place a ball as deep in the pocket as you can against one of the facings, then place another ball next to it, the ball in the pocket is about 40% exposed. On this table the ball deep in the pocket is about 50% exposed, because the pockets are 4 3/8"...and the pocket angles are turned out more than the ones on your table. Your tables pocket angles are cut at 141 or 51 degrees, on this GC1 the pockets are cut at 142 or 52 degrees, in other words, a little less funneling effect on this table vs your Diamond, which results in a few more balls being rejected from the pocket if not hit correctly, although there is a little less shelf area for a ball to rest on in these pockets vs your Diamond, but not much. You'd have the exact playing pockets if I tightened yours to 4 3/8" and changed the angles to 52 degrees, there would be NO difference in play between your Diamond vs this GC1:D

I'm going to recover a Diamond ProAm this morning just like yours Jay, I'll take the same pictures I took of the GC1 and post them here so you can see the exact same object ball set up on a Diamond:D

Glen
 
jay helfert said:
Glen, correct me if I'm wrong but the slate is not uniform on this table. The slate on the corner pocket with the eleven ball resting in it is cut much deeper (very deep) than the pocket with two balls in the mouth. Probably unavoidable on this table. Some pockets are easier than others on this table. Right or wrong?
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I just saw what you were talking about Jay....both pictures of the balls in the pockets....were the same corner pocket from two different perspectives;)
 
realkingcobra said:
I just saw what you were talking about Jay....both pictures of the balls in the pockets....were the same corner pocket from two different perspectives;)
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Please Glen, that is NOT the same pocket! Take a look at the rails alongside the pocket. Obviously different rails. Even the cut of the facings where they meet the pocket are different. Similar camera angle also.
 
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wood grain?

Sure looks like the wood grain is different on the pics of the corner pocket, at least to me. Just an observation of course... Table looks amazing either way..
 
jay helfert said:
Please Glen, that is NOT the same pocket! Take a look at the rails alongside the pocket. Obviously different rails. Even the cut of the facings where they meet the pocket are different. Similar camera angle also.
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I'm with Jay here.

The camera angle is slightly different, but the wood on the rail is definitely not the same, imo.

Here's both pictures faced next to eachother. I have marked the differences with colors. The yellow means that the wood is different, both in "design" and color, the red shows a gap on one picture but not the other, the same with the light blue.

To me it is obvious that these are different pockets, and that the slate goes deeper into the pocket where the 11 ball is.

Still a beautiful table, and I guess it plays better than mine...

EDIT: The pictures are very small, but just scroll up and you can see gaps vs no gaps.
 

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