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This is an interesting thread. I remember noticing this question on yahoo answers when I searched about china: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080226004828AAxE90a
I think that the first and 4th answers are particularly sharp.
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It may be true that overall china may have a problem in the standards of their manufacturing, but I believe that most of their products (billions and billions of them) are "good enough" for the price. The news loves to sensationalize stuff like the melamine scandal and tainted pet food. A few dead babies and puppies is bound to twist public perception. But don't let the actions of 2 horrible companies (or maybe just a handful of people at those companies) define chinese manufacturing for you. It's like defining american banking and corporations by Enron and AIG.
I think that the first and 4th answers are particularly sharp.
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It may be true that overall china may have a problem in the standards of their manufacturing, but I believe that most of their products (billions and billions of them) are "good enough" for the price. The news loves to sensationalize stuff like the melamine scandal and tainted pet food. A few dead babies and puppies is bound to twist public perception. But don't let the actions of 2 horrible companies (or maybe just a handful of people at those companies) define chinese manufacturing for you. It's like defining american banking and corporations by Enron and AIG.
When a country (China) has to stop its manufacturing for a month so the air will be clean enough to have the Olympics you can also believe they have no regard for the rest of the world.
I like my Predator but do not know if it was made in China.
I like my Predator but do not know if it was made in China.
Pruod of America
If I offended anyone for my funny....I apoligize
I was just trying to point out the U.S. is in a recession Americans are out of work.
Hmm lets see why... because Falcon Predator Meucci etc. are giving the jobs to .......ALEX I'll take obvious as the nose on my face for $1000
So my fellow AZ'ers help educate the other un-informed people out there.
The next time your out shooting and someone rolls up on a Harley with an eagle on his chest and pulls out a cue made in china. Let him know
I'm sure he'll do the right thing
If I offended anyone for my funny....I apoligize
I was just trying to point out the U.S. is in a recession Americans are out of work.
Hmm lets see why... because Falcon Predator Meucci etc. are giving the jobs to .......ALEX I'll take obvious as the nose on my face for $1000
So my fellow AZ'ers help educate the other un-informed people out there.
The next time your out shooting and someone rolls up on a Harley with an eagle on his chest and pulls out a cue made in china. Let him know
I'm sure he'll do the right thing
Dude, stop buying the hype. When things like this are done then it is not systemic. You can find plenty of examples of American companies that do the same thing either intentionally or unintentionally.
Anyone in the supply chain can be an idiot and either willfully or ignorantly substitute safe materials for unsafe ones.
When you say that "China" does this then you are condemning the whole country. Ultimately though the responsibility for the safety of the items that are being sold to you lies with the importers. If they don't have an inspection process in place then it's their own fault and they should be held liable. If they push the factories to sell at the lowest possible price then those factories are going to try and save money however they can.
You can't hardly expect the average factory over here to be up to date with the US regulations concerning lead levels in paint and other things. It's the responsibility of the importer to be aware of these things, to set up a process to insure that whatever they are buying is up to US regulations, and to take the heat when it's not done right.
I am not saying that this means that there aren't a lot of Chinese factories that aren't lax on a lot of things. They are in the same way that American producers were at the turn of the century in 1900 through about the 50s. It wasn't until workers became skilled and organized and literate that they were able to demand better and safer conditions and along with it many watchdogs blew the lid off of the unsafe and unsanitary practices which promoted the government to enact strict regulations. Read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair (now free on the internet) to understand what this was like then in the USA. For an updated version read "Fast Food Nation." (not free)
There are plenty of professional, well run, and safe Chinese factories that produce high quality and safe goods. The VAST majority of goods that are imported to the USA from China pose no danger to yours or anyone's health. The tiny amount that has been shown to be made outside of the regulations imposed by the US government have been blown way out of proportion.
Good quality and bad quality can come from anywhere. Good input equals good output. If your pet food is tainted, or your toy is poisonous, then sue and prosecute and arrest the people responsible for bringing those goods to you. That would be your fellow Americans who are selling you those goods.
If I get pulled over and there is a pound of cocaine in my car then I have to take the heat for it even if I didn't put it there. If a container shows up with dangerous goods then it's up to the importer to find that out before the goods are put on the shelf. All this inspection and process adds to the cost though.
Are you willing to pay for it? That's the other side of the coin. So you can see that there are many facets to this and no easy answer.
So do yourself a favor and don't base your statements on "story of the moment" topics. Do a little deeper research that takes more than a few month's worth of stories into consideration and you can see that all countries have their issues with bad products from time to time.
China did not stop it's manufacturing for a month. Los Angeles also had to undertake massive efforts clean up it's air quality when it hosted the Olympics. The Chinese government did however order that factories stop emitting pollutants and/or put in pollution control systems and they did ban the use of certain materials so that they could try to get the air clean enough for the IOC's standards and for the visitors and athletes. This shows a lot of concern for the rest of the world.
Again, CHINA is 50 years behind the USA on a lot of these subjects. The ONLY way to get them to catch up to the western world's standards is to INCLUDE them in the world society. If they are excluded and ostracized then they really will disregard the rest of the world and the next world war will be fought when China uses military might to take the resources they now trade for.
Yes he will. He or she will tell you that it's their right as an American to CHOOSE where to spend their money and on what. He or she will probably tell you to get out of their business.
I find it sad that those who want to wrap themselves in the flag won't allow other people to live under the freedom that flag stands for.
While I do agree that we should support American made products as a part of who we are and supporting our local business person. What I don't understand is the mentality that because it's made in china that it's of inferior quality. I believe it's very arrogant of us to believe that one factory worker is "American" and the other is "Chinese" the Chinese product is inferior.
It seems everyone has this notion that any Asian billiard product is inferior, guess I'll just have to disagree.
Before everyone flames me, realize I love this country. I have served in the military protecting this countries interest now for more than 20 years. So yes, I am a proud American and therefore support the freedoms I have fought for, to include free enterprise.
Jim
It seems everyone has this notion that any Asian billiard product is inferior, guess I'll just have to disagree.
Before everyone flames me, realize I love this country. I have served in the military protecting this countries interest now for more than 20 years. So yes, I am a proud American and therefore support the freedoms I have fought for, to include free enterprise.
Jim
Predator has always had qc control problems on shafts- at least 6 years. I ordered one 3/4 years ago from a dealer friend who agreed that i didnt have to take it unless it was "dead straight". I got lucky but that is the only way id agee to buy one that i didnt see first. They also had ferrule problems fairly consistently before China.
I hear ya, at least you have an open mind and can see both sides of the story. I should have never started this thread, lol.
I ride a Harley and you can get some genuine Harley parts straight from the dealer made in China.
I think you missed the point. Generally speaking, Harley riders are super patriotic. If I roll up to a stop light on a Honda next to a Harley, Im libel to get spit on. Therefore the point is, they probably dont know that they are using a china stick.
You have to be the most Pro Chinese-Anti American person I have ever seen. Your views and opinions are far out of touch with the general american people. You can say whatever you want, but I have a family member that used to have to go to China a couple times a month, and he saw so many people mistreated that it bothered him so much he quit. One lady sewing shoes ran her thumb thru the sewing machine, and kept on working for fear of being fired. Don't sit there on your "I love China" pedestal and tell everyone its freaking peaches and cream over there, and they really care about people and the world, cuz you aint foolin nobody. You take every chance you get to bash patriotism, calling it protectionism and other bs, I can't believe you were in the US Military! Ive bit my toungue several times reading some of you Pro Chinese propoganda, but I cant any more. Remember that China is a Communist nation, remember that? Remember all those guys that died fighting communism? Now here you are telling everyone who will listen how freakin great China is. Man I am so pissed off. I am 100% American, and proud as a mofo of it, I know the US is far from perfect, but dammit, its been real good to me and billions of others. As a matter of fact, if it were not for our freedom, you would not even be able to be on here spreading your propoganda! Some people just need a long hard look in the mirror. Im done. no more from me. i have said my piece, and will not apologize for anything I have said.
Haha no worries man, I'm just trying to find the fun in every situation. I think it just comes down to people being opinionated.
The jobs being outsourced and relocated to China is not China's fault. Those jobs that were being shipped over to china is all in the doings of the Executives of the American Companies. Do you think the Chinese stole your jobs, not! Your bosses' boss gave your job away, so to bash the chinese because they have to do your job for a fraction of your pay is irrational. Do you think the Chinese enjoy doing what use to be your crappy job for only maybe 1/10th of what you got paid is enjoyable, they should be the ones complaining, not you. As for the quality control of the products that are made in China, almost all products that are made in China that were outsourced to them by U.S. companies have U.S. citizens that manage and do quality control. So to say, "Oh the Chinese make crappy products and this and that." That's completely bogus, because it is the managements and quality controllers that let those crappy products out of the factory. When top management doesn't specify and let them know what quality is acceptable and what is not, they are just going to crank out as many parts as they can regardless of quality. but if you tell those workers, if you make these parts and they are not up to par, we would have to let you go. I can almost be absolutely sure that those parts will get done right with super high quality. Because their fear of loosing their job has just gone higher. The workers are only doing what top management are telling them to do, so to say China this and China that is kind of childish.
For all I care, if it wasn't for China, most of the products and things you buy are a lot more expensive. Yes, being patriotic is good, I completely agree with it and I cannot argue with you wanting to buy American to support your own country, but if you are also to cry about having to pay double because it has the Tag Made in USA but is the exact same thing the Made in China next to it, argue with your Patriotism and whether or not you are being a smart consumer.
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See, one thing you are forgetting is, because the U.S. has much regulations on polution control that may of the factories are being relocated to Mexico, China and India. So the polution over in china has a lot to be caused by the U.S. companies wanting to save money in production and the money spent to keep waste levels and polution levels to a minimum. Many companies have multi-million to billion dollar spending to help keep the U.S.'s environment and air clean because if they are caught dumping waste or breaking polution laws, they get fined very heavily. Where as in China, there are very little regulations regarding polution. Do you think the U.S. cares about the polution over in China to spend billions each year to help them keep the polution level down? I don't think so. They are thinking to themselves, as long as it is not in the U.S. who gives a crap. They are also thinking, well since they don't have any regulations regarding polutoin, they must not give a crap either. Do you think the Chinese enjoy wearing a mask everywhere because of the poluted air? I don't think so either. If you have ever kept up with the news in China, they are actually doing a lot to try to bring polution levels down. So to say that China doesn't care about the rest of the world is stupid, because the rest of the world also doesn't give a crap about China. It s all fair game.
I personally don't care where my products are made, be it antartica, africa, guam, I don't care, as long as it is good quality and it is in my price range, and I can benefit the most from it, I consider it a good product, because I am being a smart consumer, not a blinded patriot.
I usually don't get mad, but I'm really tired of these China bash threads. It gets old. Being both a patriot to my own country (China) and to the country I have lived in for more than half of my life(USA). I can careless if I have offended someone with this post. I will not apologize for being rational. Because those offensive China bash post and racist remarks are nothing but a sign of ignorance. Grow up, and move the heck on. The world is changing and you better be willing to move on with it or get left in the dust.
P.S.this China bash crap is such a damn joke
Chino
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I would have to disagree with this LOL. Yes there are some Harley riders that are super patriotic, and some that simply like the look and sound of a Harley. But a great number of them have simply folded to the peer pressure or have bought in to the great advertising that Harley has done.
Dont get me wrong, I do like Harleys and respect what they have done. But lets face it, they are way over priced and for the most part not as reliable as the metrics.
I ride a Honda for several reasons. It looks just as good, if not better, it is incredibly reliable, rides smoother, and was bigger than any Harley than I could buy. Oh yea, it also cost about a third of what a comparable Harley would have been.
And my Honda was made by Americans in Ohio. Unfortunately they will be moving production back over seas :sorry:
Woody <- not trying to get into a Harley-Metric debate, but I dont think the real reason most people ride Harley is because they are super patriotic :grin:
I don't want to get into the Harley-Metric debate either, but would just like to make a few points. I honestly don't think the Honda that is bigger than the Harley is one third the price. I have rode street bikes for over 30 years and started on a metric. I respect all street bike owners no matter what they ride. I have owned 8 Harley's just because this is what I prefer. Not because I am a Veteran and am Patriotic. And I am too old for peer pressure. Yes in the past when AMF owned Harley Davidson they had many quality control issues but are very reliable and I think they have the best resale value of any big twin. I am not trying to argue the Metric vs Harley issue. My main point to this topic is that it isn't a USA vs China (Japan, Germany, etc.) issue anymore. I mean what product is made entirely in the USA anymore?:thumbup2:
American workers for many years have given much to improve working conditions (wages, insurance, safety, retirement, etc.), much of this through unions. The American people have suported their goverment to improve the quality of work life ie. OSHA, Workers Compensation, Environmental Protection Agency, Equal Opportunity Commission, etc.
Some greedy Americans have shipped jobs overseas to improve profits. This has nothing to do with the quality of overseas products: many of which are great. The US pays for the innovation, development, marketing, etc. of products which are then made by workers being paid substandard wages, in unsafe conditions, with little environmental concern, etc.
One solution may be to increase our tariff taxes---put Americans back to work on even terms.
This may even bring a little gambling money back to the pool halls.
Some greedy Americans have shipped jobs overseas to improve profits. This has nothing to do with the quality of overseas products: many of which are great. The US pays for the innovation, development, marketing, etc. of products which are then made by workers being paid substandard wages, in unsafe conditions, with little environmental concern, etc.
One solution may be to increase our tariff taxes---put Americans back to work on even terms.
This may even bring a little gambling money back to the pool halls.