New Cuttlefish tip system

[pdcue]

I sell the tip system to be installed by a cuemaker for $30.
You get 1 ferrule insert and 3 tip holders.
Extra tip holders are $5 each.
I have a tool for installing the ferrule insert and for triming the tip holders when
a replacement tip is being supplied.It can also be used to trim the diameter of the ferrule insert to suite your application.
The tool is $10.
The lathe installing the ferrule insert must have a means of accurately measuring on the
Z axis up to .6 inches.
Once the system is installed on a cue, replacements can then be ordered from who installed the system for you.
I have alog of the cues I have installed the tip on. That way a customer can call or email and I post a tip to them. I record ferrule diameter and tip type.
I charge $60 for installing the tip system into a cue with 3 tip holders and your supplied tips installed,plus postage assuming your ferrule is still in good condition and not cracked.
It is extra if I supply tips.
Available from me are Superpro tips and 1 pce water buffalo.
Neil

I just gotta say, I think you're swimming upstream here. As a player,
I would expect this contraption to hit like a tin can. So, any value
for evaluating the relative desirebility of tips flies right out the window.

As a room owner, which I once was - if you are looking to save money on tip replacement - there is already available an asian version of the
original Frank Paradise design = cheap ferrule with a brass insert - tips
with a threaded stem. Much cheaper, and, IMHO better results.

So who is left to sell these things to, gimmick fans who just have to have
the latest version of a wheel with corners?

Dale

 

[conetip]

I just gotta say, I think you're swimming upstream here. As a player,
I would expect this contraption to hit like a tin can. So, any value
for evaluating the relative desirebility of tips flies right out the window.

As a room owner, which I once was - if you are looking to save money on tip replacement - there is already available an asian version of the
original Frank Paradise design = cheap ferrule with a brass insert - tips
with a threaded stem. Much cheaper, and, IMHO better results.

So who is left to sell these things to, gimmick fans who just have to have
the latest version of a wheel with corners?

Dale

The threaded stem system does not work work very well and the hit is not as good as a tip you install.
With my system, the cue hits just as good as the tips you install with the advantage of being able to try something different.
Unless you try it, you will not be able tell how it hits. And no, it does not hit like a tin can.
You can ask Chris Hightower of what he thinks it hits like.
Neil

 

[pdcue]

The threaded stem system does not work work very well and the hit is not as good as a tip you install.
With my system, the cue hits just as good as the tips you install with the advantage of being able to try something different.
Unless you try it, you will not be able tell how it hits. And no, it does not hit like a tin can.
You can ask Chris Hightower of what he thinks it hits like.
Neil

Ok, am I missing something? - those are not threaded 'stems'
I see in your pics? - are we embroiled in some kind of semantic
shootout here?

With all due respect to you and Mr. Hightower - I would be nothing
short of ASTOUNDED if this setup hits anyway near like a glued on tip.

I wouldn't bet my life - but I would bet my house.

I'm just trying to give you some insight from a guy
who is pretty well respected in his ability to evaluate
the "hit" of cues - tho I don't normally say that in public,
and yes, i am aware that one man's jewel is another man'a
nightmare, etc, but still.

Are you aware that Frank paradise offered a decent screw-on tip
50-ish years ago - his idea was... ahhh continued by Palmer who
sold about a gazillion cues - the screw-on tip faded into obscurity
within a few years.

Dale

 

[ratcues]

Its nice to see everyone is willing to give this product a chance and a fair test before completely discrediting it. I say we toss out all new ideas just like those stupid layered tips and Predator shafts........

 

[conetip]

Hi Dale,
The difference is due to the taper seating of the insert.
A screw is the lightest and simplest way of pulling down and locking the taper.
It could be a bayonet or a cam system to lock down the taper or most anything else, but all these alternatives are allot heavier.
The locking taper has allot of area and centralizes the tip.
They lock in so good that a tool is used to Undo the tip holder. Also some laminated tips will delaminate if the tool is not used as they have little torsional strength.
Neil

 

[RocketQ]

Yep

Its nice to see everyone is willing to give this product a chance and a fair test before completely discrediting it. I say we toss out all new ideas just like those stupid layered tips and Predator shafts........

I agree Ryan. The guy has an idea new old whatever. Let the guy try to sell his wares. Don't bash him for having a different idea. If you don't like the product don't buy one. But don't bash him about it.

John

 

[Barry C.]

I met neil at the SBE and test drove his cue with his tip set up. Not that the system is anything I could get excited about, the cue with his tip system, surprisingly, hit pretty damn solid. The system seemed very well made.

Barry

 

[pescadoman]

At first, people laughed at the automobile and the telephone. NO, it isn't really a fair comparison, but I admire the ambition.

IMO:

It is certainly fair for members to comment on the marketability of his product, as they are the demographic.

It is certainly fair for those who have used his product to give their opinion.

I believe it would be better to ask questions than make accusations about his product. At least publicly.

Good luck to you sir and I hope you turn a tidy profit. Every little bit helps in today's economy.

 

[pdcue]

Its nice to see everyone is willing to give this product a chance and a fair test before completely discrediting it. I say we toss out all new ideas just like those stupid layered tips and Predator shafts........

If you look real closely at my post - you will see I used phrases like:
'I think...' and 'I would expect...'. These are not expresions
normally associated with an asertion of certainty.

At the end of the day - it's, more or less, a metal ferrule.
BTW - didn't Chris H. who spoke mostly favorably, say it would
be a tough sell?

To me, it is a solution in search of a problem - again.

Dale<who has inovate a thing or two>

 

[ratcues]

So....the people who have hit and seen the Cuttlefish system were surprised and pleased with the results. The people who have not hit with it OR even seen it in person do not like the way it hits. Just want to keep an unofficial score....:scratchhead:

I have also talked with Neil, at length, stating that it will be a tough sell, regardless of how it plays. It is bucking a lot of tradition and stigma, especially when it is a "screw-on" tip. I believe Neil is on to something with the tapered configuration. The idea is well thought out and executed as oppose to the flat faced, "Asian versions," which have a tendency to come loose, click, and rattle. This system stays tight and precise. I was also skeptical of using aluminum as opposed to carbon fibre but the actual weight is negligible and aluminum allows to keep the cost down. If it takes off, it will be possible to change, if needed.

 

[poolplayer2093]

So....the people who have hit and seen the Cuttlefish system were surprised and pleased with the results. The people who have not hit with it OR even seen it in person do not like the way it hits. Just want to keep an unofficial score....:scratchhead:

I have also talked with Neil, at length, stating that it will be a tough sell, regardless of how it plays. It is bucking a lot of tradition and stigma, especially when it is a "screw-on" tip. I believe Neil is on to something with the tapered configuration. The idea is well thought out and executed as oppose to the flat faced, "Asian versions," which have a tendency to come loose, click, and rattle. This system stays tight and precise. I was also skeptical of using aluminum as opposed to carbon fibre but the actual weight is negligible and aluminum allows to keep the cost down. If it takes off, it will be possible to change, if needed.

You tried it?

 

[ratcues]

You tried it?

I have not tried it yet but I do have a set for installation. I am very impressed with the way everything seats. I spoke with people that have tried it, including Corey Deuel, and so far, it has all been positive feedback.

 

[cueman]

I have been wondering how these would go over with the masse and trick shot players who destroy tips right and left. It would give them a quick easy change.

 

[RocketQ]

Now that would be some serious R&D and destructive testing.

 

[pdcue]

I have not tried it yet but I do have a set for installation. I am very impressed with the way everything seats. I spoke with people that have tried it, including Corey Deuel, and so far, it has all been positive feedback.

"I have not tried it yet..."

So, a response more along the lines of 'I think', or 'I would expect'
or even 'I hope' might have been a bit more appropriate than cheap sarcasum?

I guess you also failed to notice that at no time did I even
imply that these gadgets were NOT well made

 

[ratcues]

"I have not tried it yet..."

So, a response more along the lines of 'I think', or 'I would expect'
or even 'I hope' might have been a bit more appropriate than cheap sarcasum?

I guess you also failed to notice that at no time did I even
imply that these gadgets were NOT well made

I guess I'll keep playing along because it gives Neil a bump.... You should probably notice that I have said NOTHING about the palyability of the system. Nor have I made any assumptions like it will probably "hit like a tin can." I only point out that YOU have made assuptions by only seeing a picture and not actually seeing the system, testing the system, or even talking with anyone who has. You claim be be well respected in evaluating "hit" of a cue....can you do that from the pics or do you need the cue in your hand? :deadhorse:

 

[pdcue]

I guess I'll keep playing along because it gives Neil a bump.... You should probably notice that I have said NOTHING about the palyability of the system. Nor have I made any assumptions like it will probably "hit like a tin can." I only point out that YOU have made assuptions by only seeing a picture and not actually seeing the system, testing the system, or even talking with anyone who has. You claim be be well respected in evaluating "hit" of a cue....can you do that from the pics or do you need the cue in your hand?

Mostly I've noticed you ignore any and all facts, and instead want
to blame me for not joining the halleighua chorus.

All the years you have been playing, you don't think you have gained
maybe just a smiden of insight?

 

[pooltableproCP]

As I mentioned in the other thread on this subject, I will put the system through some strokes after Rat gets it installed. I see it as a possible sales tool in regards to being able to quickly try different tips on a consistent platform. As a full time playing apparatus, well I am going to find out! Whatever the result, it will be posted here.

 

[Hambone]

Are you aware that Frank paradise offered a decent screw-on tip
50-ish years ago - his idea was... ahhh continued by Palmer who
sold about a gazillion cues - the screw-on tip faded into obscurity
within a few years.

Dale[/QUOTE]

Screw on tips go back a little farther than that. Thurstons "The Noble Game of Billiards" puts them first offered around 1826. Shortly after you could also buy one of the first layered tips consisting of a very hard layer under a soft layer.

 

[masonh]

I'm just trying to give you some insight from a guy
who is pretty well respected in his ability to evaluate
the "hit" of cues - tho I don't normally say that in public,
and yes, i am aware that one man's jewel is another man'a
nightmare, etc, but still.

well respected and humble too,wow.