The Draw Stroke Test...How Do You Rate?
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15 or 16 on a 9 ft with Simonis. Reasonable accuracy too...and I still don't have the strongest stroke in the room:angry:
This is a stroke drill to analyze any defects in the delivery of the cue.
If you have side english (off-center), then the CB will come off the head rail at an obscene angle. If you hit the side rail, then you are contacting the OB off-center. If you do not pocket the OB, then you have a lot of work to do.
Once you are able to consistently execute the shot, then you increase your speed/power and try to continue to maintain full control in order to execute the shot properly.
that's a great post..... When i'm trying to help somebody develope a bigge stroke, this is one of the tests i use. Power is useless without control.
A good player only needs to draw the cb into the next position to make the next shot, when I see this kind of draw of the cue ball in tournament play or gambling, then maybe I'll work on my draw shot a little more...and I can already draw the cue ball....to the next shot!!
Glen
Glen
A good player only needs to draw the cb into the next position to make the next shot, when I see this kind of draw of the cue ball in tournament play or gambling, then maybe I'll work on my draw shot a little more...and I can already draw the cue ball....to the next shot!!
Glen
I'll vouch for that:wink:.
BTW when spell check trys to fix your name it offers me Loganberry. lmao
You had the strongest for a couple of weeks while his arm was in a sling lol
Just tried on my 9-footer with 860 simmonis, and I can consistently get between 12-13. Since there is no 12-13 option, I rounded up to 13-14.
And unless you're talking about a barbox, I don't believe any of the posters who claim they can do 19+ diamonds. And I'll continue to disbelieve until I see some video evidence. :thumbup:
And unless you're talking about a barbox, I don't believe any of the posters who claim they can do 19+ diamonds. And I'll continue to disbelieve until I see some video evidence. :thumbup:
Bingo!A good player only needs to draw the cb into the next position to make the next shot, when I see this kind of draw of the cue ball in tournament play or gambling, then maybe I'll work on my draw shot a little more...and I can already draw the cue ball....to the next shot!!
Glen
If a person wants to develop a solid stroke with control, precision and power.... its called a break shot.
Practicing a solid hit on the head ball of a full rack with power will accomplish this and more.Chuck
I'm standing with you on this one. In my 25+ years of playing I've yet to encounter the situation where I needed to draw the cue ball 2 and a half table lengths. On a decent table with decent cloth I can draw the length of the table starting out with a table length between the balls. I honestly have never needed any more than that.
MULLY
Actually, looking at the original diagram doesn't tell me that it shows a lot about a persons draw stroke. Getting the cue ball back to the end rail is plenty, end rail and back to center table would be more than enough. Being that close to the OB I see no problem with either shot I just described. You want to test your draw stroke? Do this one instead. This one will separate the men from the boys.
MULLY
MULLY
Just tried on my 9-footer with 860 simmonis, and I can consistently get between 12-13. Since there is no 12-13 option, I rounded up to 13-14.
And unless you're talking about a barbox, I don't believe any of the posters who claim they can do 19+ diamonds. And I'll continue to disbelieve until I see some video evidence. :thumbup:
I just tried on my 9 footer with Simonis 860. I hit the end rail (15) the first three tries in a row. But in all 10 tries, I never got to 16!
There's a few people I play with regularly who can hit the cueball accurately stroking a lot harder than I can. I'm guessing they're going to be in that 19+ range. Maybe I'll set 'em on it....
i can screw(draw) the ball 30ft on a snooker table, 9 ball 19 easily on a decent table, not saying it trying to be arrogant, i actually can do this very easy and would happily challenge anyone snooker or 9 ball that i can i have more screw power than anyone, only because of my technique i have more drive than anyone so i have more cue power. watch predator 10 ball next week john morra who i teach this 2...
Unfortunately I have had the below situation come up a couple of times where I am too straight on the ball to force it over and cannot or do not want to shoot the bank (perhaps due to a blocking ball). The reason I shoot this shot this way is because I know I cannot go past the 9 as the final cue position is near the limit of my drawing ability and I feel comfortable enough with my stroke to shoot this reliably.
Hmmm, perhaps the reason that I cannot get more than 10-11 diamonds is because I just cannot force myself to shoot a regular shot like a break shot. I think its off to the practice table for me tonight...
i hesitated to answer because I think this is more dependant on equipment than anything else. I go to a really fast table with great cloth & rails (strokers/tampa) I think I can rip 15, maybe more. On the tables I play on now, Im lucky to get 10-11. I don't think your poll mentions anything about table size either. Give me a 7ft diamond with new cloth... WOOT. I'm drawing like fuxing picasso. lulz.
Larry nevel can get a 15 one handed (with CB stuck on the rail) on beat-to-hell random barboxes. I had to see the video to believe it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWtyPrgn2VA
You might say "yeah but you're drawing like 4 feet less on a barbox"... but given how nasty the cloth is, I bet the exact same stroke on nice cloth with get a full 15 diamonds on a 9-footer also.
Two handed, who knows what he can do.
But I'm with gregg. Draw distance is neat but it's like judging who can throw a basketball farthest. Past a certain point you don't really need it. If someone can draw to within a ball's width of the 1, then the 2, then the 3... they are doing something more impressive than 20 feet of draw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWtyPrgn2VA
You might say "yeah but you're drawing like 4 feet less on a barbox"... but given how nasty the cloth is, I bet the exact same stroke on nice cloth with get a full 15 diamonds on a 9-footer also.
Two handed, who knows what he can do.
But I'm with gregg. Draw distance is neat but it's like judging who can throw a basketball farthest. Past a certain point you don't really need it. If someone can draw to within a ball's width of the 1, then the 2, then the 3... they are doing something more impressive than 20 feet of draw.
someone kinda said something about this earlier but very little... In Mike Massey trick/skills shot book he put the cue ball at the side pocket about 2 inchs off the side then the object ball on the second Diamond and his best draw the book said would have been your 19 diamond on your scale. We tried this for a while (from his spots on the table) and the best i got was 16 diamonds but couldn't get that consistently.
pointless? only if you don't like $$$
To everyone that remarked that the shot is pointless, I concur under normal game conditions where precision & accuracy reigns. But you'll be glad you have this shot in your back pocket when a blowhard says he has a strong draw stroke and is inclined to prove it to you. :wink:
<----Has *witnessed* a flurry of gambling centered around this shot.
To everyone that remarked that the shot is pointless, I concur under normal game conditions where precision & accuracy reigns. But you'll be glad you have this shot in your back pocket when a blowhard says he has a strong draw stroke and is inclined to prove it to you. :wink:
<----Has *witnessed* a flurry of gambling centered around this shot.
