Good Jump cues without phenolic tips?
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mongoose-
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If you are using a jump cue and actually know how to use it it don't matter if you have a leather or phenolic tip. NONE of the first jump cues that came on the market had phenolic tips. YES the phenolic jumps better but if you are skilled it will not matter. Throw a waterbuffalo or something of that sort on & play the game. Or don't play the BCAPL. Personally I think the reason of harming the balls is crap anyway. But unfortunatly you may see other leagues & organizations follow suit. The BCAPL does have a very good set of rules in place... possibly the best out there in my opinion.
mongoose-
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LOL same here johnny I can't see spending 100's of dollars on a break cue... I just use a J&J as I see you do too. I can jump full balls without breaking it down with that phenolic tip though. Guess I will just have to adjust back to the old way of leather if everything goes to banning phenolic.
G10 is phenolic with glass in it
Hear here!
Great cues he makes. (I just realized that sounds like Yoda!) "Away put your pool cue. I mean you no harm!"
The Frog and Tadpole come with two shafts, if the tournament allows phenolic tips you have it, if they don't the other shaft will jump with a hard flat tip too. Not as close but for sure close enough.
I only used a flat hard tip....not nearly as hard as they make now,I'm curious to see how well it will work with a hard tip again.
The're nothing fancy but it is a tool I had to have in my case.
I told people I made money selling it, I made thousands using it. And that was before I put a phenolic on them.
Excellent post. A lot of relatively newer players and posters don't realize this.
My first jump/break cue had regular leather tips, not even overly hard. My Andy Gilbert break/jump came with a leather tip on the shaft. I had Andy make me a second shaft with a phenolic tip. Though the phenolic tip makes jumping easier, the leather tip was no slouch.
The Meucci jump cue had leather tips.
Mace j/b cues had leather tips.
My X-Breaker has a second shaft that has a flat super hard leather tip.
And the Stealth jumper has a leather tip relying on other parameters to make jumping easier.
I recall the Happy Hopper being the first jump cue with a phenolic tip. Anyone else remember one earlier that had a phenolic tip (not a full phenolic shaft)?
Fred
Not technically, but a lot of manufacturing industry folks (me included) will blanketly group G-10 and its relatives in the phenolic family. It's an epoxy resin, not phenol.
The wording of the ban needs to be crystal clear on intent. For example, if you impregnate a leather tip with super glue, you're creating a hardened high compression plastic tip bound by (leather) fiber. Will this/should this be legal? I dont' see why not. But maybe that's what their intent is.
Incidentally, if they're going to ban these tips (high compressive, fiber-based thermosets), I hope it's not because of the fear of hurting the balls. If that's the case, then they better start banning playing pool on hard floors as well as banning any table manufacturer that uses tacks or brads to install their plastic pocket liners. I believe these cause 95% of all pool ball blemishis and nicks.
Fred
mongoose-
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That is a very good assumption pooltchr. I thought the bungees was under
40" though. I haven't seen one in ages and I could definatly be wrong but isn't the length ruling on jump cues 40" ? Those bungees jump very well from what I remember.
mongoose-
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Thank you Fred. I can't recall when the first phenolics actually came out as I have only been using one about a year now. I could never see spending the money to buy expensive break cues & usually had broke with my player but I do like the phenolic. I however would not have a panic attack if they stopped making them lol. On one side it is a gimick that gives less skilled players a better chance to compete with the break & jump. I do know the first jump cue I had years ago was made by a guy here in Maine with just a lepro tip on it & it jumped fine... IF you can jump you can jump with anything you just need a more deliberate stroke to do it. It is going to be interesting to see what happens here in the future with other organizations after the BCAPL makes this ruling. Their rules & league are much respected in this industry. I really think you are gonna see others follow suit.
504boi
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I have had the Stealth jump cue for some years, its works very good. I started using a jump/break cue with a phenolic tip about a year ago, also works very good. For jumps where I need more accuracy I use my stealth.
With the ban in place, I will replace the phenolic tip on my jump/break with a water buffalo tip, which is what comes on the stealth.
they introduced the phenolic tip
I don't think so Robin. If John Barton was here (which he is), I'm sure he will tell you that the Bunjee Jump Cue was made from leather. I suppose John could have been sporty and invented a new phenolic compound (leather-based phenolic?) Just for the pool industry, but I'll guess not.
John?
Regards,
Fred
Someone should look into Thermal plastics, instead of the thermal set plastic.
Something like CVS this might work and it is softer. The only problem is people will have to replace the tips when the oil's (resin) in the plastic losses it's moisture. My best guess is about 1-2 years.
People should be able to put it on and have no problem. It might even hold chalk. It would probably be nicer on the ears.
Jamison Neu
Something like CVS this might work and it is softer. The only problem is people will have to replace the tips when the oil's (resin) in the plastic losses it's moisture. My best guess is about 1-2 years.
People should be able to put it on and have no problem. It might even hold chalk. It would probably be nicer on the ears.
Jamison Neu
Ask him, it was the first time I ever seen one...and I have been jumping for a while.
I asked a well-known cue maker what kind of hard leather tip he would recommend I replace my phenolic tip with. He recommended a water buffalo tip.
Does anyone have a opinion on how well the water buffalo tips play for jump cues?
Does anyone have a opinion on how well the water buffalo tips play for jump cues?
mongoose-
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They play pretty well. I use to use one on my old break cue years ago. Very hard tip.