Change in 9 ball rules

RafaReyes

Super Rafa
Silver Member
Let me start with the following question,

Who should win a match between two competitive players, the one who plays better or the luckiest one?

9 ball, which is a game of "only 9 balls", you can hit balls and if they go in on any pocket the shot is good. How many times have you played a good defense, leaving your opponent a tough shot, then he comes, doesn't know what to do, hit the ball hard, it bounce seven times and then goes in? Is this considered good play? Is this considered a winning shot? Does that person deserve to win and is then considered a better player?

Some people may say, “Well is not a 1 game match, is a race to 7 games, he got lucky on this one but I still have a chance”. Well I say, are we playing poker here or some kind of card game? If billiards/pool is now considered a sport, why don't we add the called pocket rule? Don't you think this would add more sense and brains to the game? In my opinion, this even adds more beauty to the game. How cool it is when you have a three ball combination, you call the third ball in the corner pocket and makes it. I also think that when a player calls a ball in the opposite corner pocket, for example, hit the ball, bounce three rails and makes it; it helps my learning process because he is showing me the plays he is thinking.

Let’s compared this with other sports also,

Golf: You don’t have to call a hole because there’s only one where you have to get the ball in.
Basketball: There’s only one side of the court with one hole.
Soccer: There’s only your side and your opponent side, there’s no confusion of where your intention of making the ball is.
Baseball: There’s only one way to score.
Similar to basketball and Soccer we have Hockey, Football, Volleyball, handball, etc.

One last example,

Have you seen what’s considered by many “the shot” in pool, that game that Efren Reyes won Against Earl Strickland? When Efren kicked the cue ball two rails, hit the object ball and made it. What if the “call pocket rule” would’ve been official?

Here is the link for those who haven’t see it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4YTuYpKdns

If you agree with my arguments, please let’s do something to add more sense to the game we love.
Thanks to all for reading and hope to hear back from all of you.
Please reply with an opinion in favor or against and explain why.

Always play your best pool, Rafael Reyes.
 
First........

Here we go again. Play 8 ball, 14.1, or one pocket and you don't have to worry about these silly rules.

Oh and BTW, Efren meant to make that ball
 
First........

Here we go again. Play 8 ball, 14.1, or one pocket and you don't have to worry about these silly rules.

Oh and BTW, Efren meant to make that ball

How can you prove that? He told you he meant to do it after he made it? Yeah right.
 
Rafa,
You forgot one very important aspect of your question.....

Both players have the opportunity to be 'lucky' what distinguishes one from the other?

If you really think that LUCK is a factor that will control all 9 ball matches, I would suggest you quit playing and take up poker.

This has been a very old argument. Good Rolls, Bad Rolls, Lucky, unlucky... if you don't like the rules make up your own and have your own tournaments.

Oh, By the way, Good Luck

Let me start with the following question,

Who should win a match between two competitive players, the one who plays better or the luckiest one?
 
How can you prove that? He told you he meant to do it after he made it? Yeah right.

Greenman was joking, I believe...

On topic, I played a set of 10 ball with a friend yesterday, and he lucked in 8 balls in a race to 10....and ran out every time...I got killed, 10-6, but I didn't miss as many balls as he did...The balls he missed just happened to go elsewhere, the balls I missed hung in the hole.

Such is pool...:(
 
Greenman was joking, I believe...

On topic, I played a set of 10 ball with a friend yesterday, and he lucked in 8 balls in a race to 10....and ran out every time...I got killed, 10-6, but I didn't miss as many balls as he did...The balls he missed just happened to go elsewhere, the balls I missed hung in the hole.

Such is pool...:(
Shit we better change those rules too. :eek: :)

BVal
 
I agree with poster, 9ball should be call pocket. Jumping or kicking at a ball by most is the pure attempt to just hit the ball. If they do that then they think the shot was "good". Most of these players are not trying to do anything with the ball except to make contact.

Most every other billiard game is call pocket, 9 ball should be no different.
 
Grady Matthews has been preachin' this same thing for years now. I totally agree with you and him myself, but others may want to take a look at this link and decide for themselves. :thumbup:

http://www.gradymathews.com/9ball.html

Grady's rules are the triple nuts, the only real drawback is that they can't be played on coin-op tables, you have to spot balls too often.

I have a few Accu-Stat tapes of Grady's tourneys, and I feel like that's the way pool should be played...You actually have to execute your intended shot, or it's no good. I like being forced to have a plan for every shot, and I hate the 'hit and hope' type of shots.

JMO
 
How many times have you played a good defense, leaving your opponent a tough shot, then he comes, doesn't know what to do, hit the ball hard, it bounce seven times and then goes in?

Hardly ever. Maybe you should find better opponents - then you'll really have something to complain about.

I like the idea of call shot rotation games, but I don't think it matters much for decent players.

pj
chgo
 
Hardly ever. Maybe you should find better opponents - then you'll really have something to complain about.

I like the idea of call shot rotation games, but I don't think it matters much for decent players.

pj
chgo

What about when your opponent misses a ball and gets a lucky $hit hook? It's nice to have the option to decide if you really want to shoot what he left you, or just tell him, "YOU deal with this mess"....
 
Hardly ever. Maybe you should find better opponents - then you'll really have something to complain about.

I like the idea of call shot rotation games, but I don't think it matters much for decent players.
pj
chgo


Thats kind of my stance on it. 9 ball has an element of luck to it, so what. Thats 9 ball.

Next time someone you are playing #*$%s a ball in, ask yourself, "Why is he/she even at the table?"
 
Right on.....

I have been saying the same thing for years. 9-ball & 10- ball should be call your shot. I am sick and tired of players jumping balls and knocking something else in after contact and then running 2 or 3 balls to win. Or missing their shot and knocking something in. Don't give me 'the better player should win" I have played many good players that I think are not as good as me but are good and they have lucked balls in a few games to win close matches. Those few games or even one game can make a difference. Take that slop out of 9-ball & 10-ball and they both will become better games as 14-1, 8-ball & one pocket are. Who ever thinks slop is good. They need to go play a different sport.
 
What about when your opponent misses a ball and gets a lucky $hit hook? It's nice to have the option to decide if you really want to shoot what he left you, or just tell him, "YOU deal with this mess"....

I try (emphasize try) to view this as a free chance to get lucky or make a good kick! :thumbup:

If someone was running out an open table, they were supposed to get out anyway!

FREE SHOT WOOWOO! :thumbup:
 
What's next rule? Perhaps ball in hand on every missed shot where an attempt to pocket the ball was made. If you call safety then you dont have to play to make the ball. Does that sound good? Cuz I'm tired of people missing balls they are trying to make and getting lucky leaves on me that make me grab my lucky jump cue and luck in a 5 railer.

Can we do this rule to pretty please???
 
It's called FUN

Luck in any game, cards, craps, pool, is there for one reason, it's called FUN. Why do you think 9-ball caught on so much? You had 14.1, 8-ball, 1pocket, banks, rotation, (god knows what else) and 9-ball took off.

If you don't like luck in the game, DON'T PLAY THE GAME. Stop *****ing about it and let others enjoy it. Oh, and watch pro's play and tell me how often they get lucky, less than 5% of the time? It's not even worth a discussion when the majority of what you see is skill.
 
It's is a Sport

Luck in any game, cards, craps, pool, is there for one reason, it's called FUN. Why do you think 9-ball caught on so much? You had 14.1, 8-ball, 1pocket, banks, rotation, (god knows what else) and 9-ball took off.

If you don't like luck in the game, DON'T PLAY THE GAME. Stop *****ing about it and let others enjoy it. Oh, and watch pro's play and tell me how often they get lucky, less than 5% of the time? It's not even worth a discussion when the majority of what you see is skill.

Pool to me is a Sport. Just like other Sports, rules have change to make the Sport better & better. Just like instant replay is apart of every major sport. Football, Baseball, Tennis, Hockey, Basketball etc.... They want their Sport to be the best it can be.
Yes, the Pros have only 5% of luck and asked the ones who lost a hill/hill match about the one game they lost in the set where the other player slopped in a ball to win a game. You ask.
When I have Fun is when I play pool with my family.
 
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Hardly ever. Maybe you should find better opponents - then you'll really have something to complain about.

I like the idea of call shot rotation games, but I don't think it matters much for decent players.

pj
chgo

when i play good players now days we play call pocket.
 
Efren was obviously playing safe on the 5 ball - so - do you consider it "unlucky" that the 8 ball went in ??!!!

Now he is hooked - his only option is the 2 railer - he has to hit the 5 anyway - don't you think his innumerable hours of table time contributed to his "luck" in making it !!!!

Seems to me that in the pro ranks there is not that much luck involved. Bottom line is that it goes both ways.

We amateurs need to either deal with it or play another game
 
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