Are jump shot devices helpful & legal

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Are jump shot devices such as this a true improvement for your jump game?

Are they legal?

I don't know how many like this are out there, but this is the one that came to my attention. Thanks to my friend Rick "EasyMoney" for telling me about it. More info on this one is at:

http://www.ozonebilliards.com/ezjujushto.html

Thanks,

Matt
 
Apocalypse2012 said:
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here is a nice jump shot.:cool:

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I thought about getting this to go over balls that are close.:thumbup:
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I have shot with this one and it is very helpful, you can get a much better bridge on a middle table jump. Not sure of it's "legality" If it is legal I want one..
 
I can't speak for any other devices that may currently be on the market, but the one that you specifically mentioned (EZ-Jumper) was invented by a good friend of mine named Don Crump, and it is a very helpful device. The EZ-Jumper facilitates much easier bridging for most jump shots, but is especially useful when you must either a) bridge very tall in order to jump over an obstructing ball that is very close (within 4" or less) to the cueball, or b) reach out across the table to get to the cueball. Even tall players with long arms and fingers are often frustrated when facing shots that would be jumpable if they were only more accessible, and the EZ-Jumper will give you access to many of these hard-to-get-to shots.

As far as the legality of the device is concerned, I suspect that you will find that it varies between different tournaments/leagues, which is not surprising when you consider that the legality of jump cues tends to vary as well. I actually spoke with Don today, however, and he told me that the BCA had recently ruled the EZ-Jumper legal for use in local events, but not in national-level events. The device just came on the market a few weeks ago, however, and they are still working to gain approval from other organizations.

If you visit the EZ-Jumper website, http://ez-jumper.com, you will find some additional information about the device, as well as a short video showing it in use.

Aaron
 
Jump Shots

I sometimes stack one or two pieces of chalk on top of oneanother for elevation, by placing my middle finger on top of the chalk, it gets me up over the cue ball, never have had any complaints.


David Harcrow
 
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It's a neat little gadget.

I think it would be cool to reach jump shots where the CB is in the middle of the table. Have you ever tried to shoot a jump shot with a bridge? It's not very easy.

Part of my mind says that these should be confined to trick shot competitions, though. The jump cue has taken away enough of the safety play and kicking from the game...I think this little dilly-willy gives you an easy way out of a good safe even more often than a jump cue on its own...and I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

If my opponent pulled one of these out during a match, I don't know what I would think. Probably nothing positive...

If these become acceptable, I want a rule that allows me to use my laser sighted cue. :p :D
 
If it generates enough income I'm sure it will be deemed legal. The argument will be if hand bridges are legal for handicapped players then this device should be allowed.

Jump cues were supposed to be restricted to recreational and trick shot shows but they make enormous income therefore they became legal nothing to do with making the game better.

Watching a Earl Strickland make a full cue jump shot and running out is exciting watching a jump cue shot no matter how skillfull sux.
 
Nothing new to me, years ago I took a round dowel and put a plastic cue stick holder on top of it and used it the same way. Works great for elevation over balls and jump shots when needed. If your interested in one let me know at mr8ball@comcast.net
 
Best Jumper

Best one i have used is the "Jump rod" invented by Ron V. and a his partner. Extremely accurate and easy to use. After it was invented rules came out about jump cue lengths.
 
accustatsfan...I'm not sure where you got your info, but you're mistaken. Jump cues were not invented for doing trick shots. They were invented to help players make legal hits (and pocket balls), when kicking was either not an option, or jumping the CB over the obstacle seemed like the better shot.
Your comment about not making the game better, is open to discussion. As an instructor, I also believe that someone should be competent in learning how to kick. That said, the jump cue is just another tool in your bag. Just like golfers have many clubs for different situations, so are jump cues a part of most player's tools. In the hands of an expert, a finely executed jump shot is a wonder to behold...and many pros have become VERY expert using them. I also have seen Earl shoot jump shots with a full cue (which I am capable of doing, and teaching), and fully appreciate the skill that takes...just like you do.:D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

accustatsfan said:
If it generates enough income I'm sure it will be deemed legal. The argument will be if hand bridges are legal for handicapped players then this device should be allowed.

Jump cues were supposed to be restricted to recreational and trick shot shows but they make enormous income therefore they became legal nothing to do with making the game better.

Watching a Earl Strickland make a full cue jump shot and running out is exciting watching a jump cue shot no matter how skillfull sux.
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catpool9 said:
I sometimes stack one or two pieces of chalk on top of oneanother for elevation, by placing my middle finger on top of the chalk, it gets me up over the cue ball, never have had any complaints.


David Harcrow
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You may not have had any complaints where you play, but what you propose is specifically illegal according to the World Standardized Rules:

1.3 USE OF EQUIPMENT
Players may not use equipment or accessory items for purposes or in a manner other than those for which the items were intended (refer to rules 3.42 and 3.43). For example, powder containers, chalk cubes, etc., may not be used to prop up a mechanical bridge (or natural hand bridge); no more than two mechanical bridges may be used at one time, nor may they be used to support anything other than the cue shaft. Extra or out-of-play balls may not be used by players to check clearance or for any other reason (except to lag for break); the triangle may be employed to ascertain whether a ball is in the rack when a match is unofficiated and the table has not been pencil marked around the triangle area. (Also see Rule 2.3)
 
To Scott: Thanks for the information (enjoy your posts) you are a reputable instructor who I have no doubt can jump with a full cue. Maybe you can answer if its legal to "stack" chalk for support (I would be curious to know).

My reaction is more of a "what are they trying to introduce now". First they make a piece of equipment to make it easier to jump (jump cue) and now they make a "tripod" to make it easier to use the easier to use equipment.

I always hear the comparison between pool and golf (I've played both) but never grasped the similarity.

Who was the guy in the early 90's who used to carry 6 (it was a lot whatever the number) cues to pro events and use a different one for almost every shot? I see his face clear as day but don't recall his name he used to "summon the spirits" (hand gestures) wasn't he the reason they limited the number of cues to a playing and break cue?

The only (my opinion) redeeming feature about jump cues is you learn to play better safeties.

I do remember Billy Incardona saying on a tape that the best defense against a jump cue is to start using one. Right now I have a old jump cue (never use it) that I lean against my bag so my opponent thinks I'll use it.

When a cue maker makes a cue that does everything, never misses and doesn't need maintenance I'll buy one.
 
Aaron_S said:
I can't speak for any other devices that may currently be on the market, but the one that you specifically mentioned (EZ-Jumper) was invented by a good friend of mine named Don Crump, and it is a very helpful device. The EZ-Jumper facilitates much easier bridging for most jump shots, but is especially useful when you must either a) bridge very tall in order to jump over an obstructing ball that is very close (within 4" or less) to the cueball, or b) reach out across the table to get to the cueball. Even tall players with long arms and fingers are often frustrated when facing shots that would be jumpable if they were only more accessible, and the EZ-Jumper will give you access to many of these hard-to-get-to shots.

As far as the legality of the device is concerned, I suspect that you will find that it varies between different tournaments/leagues, which is not surprising when you consider that the legality of jump cues tends to vary as well. I actually spoke with Don today, however, and he told me that the BCA had recently ruled the EZ-Jumper legal for use in local events, but not in national-level events. The device just came on the market a few weeks ago, however, and they are still working to gain approval from other organizations.

If you visit the EZ-Jumper website, http://ez-jumper.com, you will find some additional information about the device, as well as a short video showing it in use.

Aaron
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Tell that ol' buzzard to get a job! (jokin) Don's a great guy, I could listen to him tell a story or two all day long. He's one of the few guys who can take a five minute story, make it 30 minutes and still keep it interesting. Tell him Chris says hi.;)
 
ronhudson said:
You may not have had any complaints where you play, but what you propose is specifically illegal according to the World Standardized Rules:

1.3 USE OF EQUIPMENT
Players may not use equipment or accessory items for purposes or in a manner other than those for which the items were intended (refer to rules 3.42 and 3.43). For example, powder containers, chalk cubes, etc., may not be used to prop up a mechanical bridge (or natural hand bridge); no more than two mechanical bridges may be used at one time, nor may they be used to support anything other than the cue shaft. Extra or out-of-play balls may not be used by players to check clearance or for any other reason (except to lag for break); the triangle may be employed to ascertain whether a ball is in the rack when a match is unofficiated and the table has not been pencil marked around the triangle area. (Also see Rule 2.3)
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Yes your right, but I've never used my chalk stacking jump shot in a tournament, only while gambling, most guy's don't care or say anything about it, if they do I just shoot the shot the ole fashion way, jack up and do it!


David Harcrow
 
My question is we have bridges to reach out on the table for a shot or use to shoot over a ball so isn't this just another form of a bridge. You still have to execute the shot.
Ron
 
Herre's my jump bridge... and yes, it's quite legal.

A local pool-playing friend who is also a sheet metal worker designed and built these for several of us. It works quite well. I just made a vid of me shooting a jump shot using it. I'll post it to youtube in a minute and post the link here.

 
there you have it !!!!!

ronhudson said:
You may not have had any complaints where you play, but what you propose is specifically illegal according to the World Standardized Rules:

1.3 USE OF EQUIPMENT
Players may not use equipment or accessory items for purposes or in a manner other than those for which the items were intended (refer to rules 3.42 and 3.43). For example, powder containers, chalk cubes, etc., may not be used to prop up a mechanical bridge (or natural hand bridge); no more than two mechanical bridges may be used at one time, nor may they be used to support anything other than the cue shaft. Extra or out-of-play balls may not be used by players to check clearance or for any other reason (except to lag for break); the triangle may be employed to ascertain whether a ball is in the rack when a match is unofficiated and the table has not been pencil marked around the triangle area. (Also see Rule 2.3)
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i totally agree with mr hudson on this that these type of things are very illegal. i once made myself a hand tripod when i had my own poolroom and i was told it was illegal and then put the idea on the shelf as i also read the rule book that mr. hudson has shown. so unless you have the rules changed your products won't be used in any tournaments of any magnatute. still you can make them and some might buy them but they are not going to use them against me !
tyvm,peace out :cool:
 
Official BCAPL info

In BCAPL play:

  • EZ Jumper - legal;
  • jump bridge pictured in post #16 or anything similar - legal;
  • Jump Buddy - illegal;
  • fingers/hand elevated off table by chalk/any other item - illegal.
Buddy Eick
BCAPL National Head Referee
BCAPL Director of Referee Training
Technical Editor, BCAPL Rule Book
bcapl_referee@cox.net

Find the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League here:

http://www.playbca.com/Downloads/Rulebook/CompleteRulebook/tabid/372/Default.aspx

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