John Barton
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Chairman Mao Zedong would be very proud of your comments, hell if he was still living he would most likely give you a peoples award!!!!!!
[/QUOTE]Do you have anything at all to contribute to the topic?
Best Machine Ever. :-)
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Chairman Mao Zedong would be very proud of your comments, hell if he was still living he would most likely give you a peoples award!!!!!!
[/QUOTE]Do you have anything at all to contribute to the topic?
As much as your post had to do with the topic, as much as Sheldon's post had to do with the topic, as much as Willeecue had to with the topic, why not also ask them if they have anything to contribute John, why do I get special treatment, I bet they feel left out!!!!!!!:thumbup:
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John Barton
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It was, if a Chinese cue maker invented a machine or technique that would do flawless points every time, would you want to acquire one or the technique?
Not sure how this is calculated (I think the 25% number is actually energy), but it's misleading no matter how it's calculated. We don't consume 25% of the world's resources. We consume 25% of the resources consumed by people in a given year. Not counting food, water, air and land. Which are pretty key by the way. If we consumed 25% of the world's resources, then in 4 years the world would be out of resources. This has been going on for a while and we're still not out of resources.
Oh, and we pay for the metal, minerals and energy that we use pretty handsomely so that the people who sell it to us can consume their fair share of resources. Including food, energy, air, land and minerals. If they reinvested in their countries maybe they would consume more resources and have a better standard of living for more of their citizens.
The USA is still the number 1 manufacturer in the world. By far. So yeah, we need raw materials.
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No. Surplus machinery can be had locally ( a mill or dedicated lathe can do the task ).
The technique is not a secret anymore, really.
And as you know, there are plenty of cues out there with points and inlays that are not selling.
The cue buyers nowadays just do not look for pretty cues anymore.
They want the oomph in their cues.
We are also the world police.
The following is a critical response based on my personal impression. Please don't mistake it for a personal attack. Although it may sound like one, it is not meant to be of ill will.
I'd consider buying the hypothetical tool as long as long as it had nothing to do with you or the companies you represent. As a public spokesperson for the company you work for I find you a little too abrasive and off-putting to even consider doing business with you.
As a consumer I choose to do business with those that are easy to work with. There's at least one guy on AZB that I'll refuse to do business with simply because I didn't like that he wouldn't respond to repeated attempts of communication, and here I was ready to spend $3k and more on his wares. So instead, his competition get's my money.
After reading some of your rants, (I'll admit I had to stop reading after 150 or so words into most posts) I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I'll not buy from you either. I don't need the aggravation. While I'm sure you are civil when hovering over the cash register I find it hard to get past some negative characteristics.
And just so you know, it has nothing to do with whether it's made in China or the USA, I could really care less, I just don't like the impression I have of you from reading your posts. Nothing more.
Once again I've fallen for the trap and got suckered into posting into a thread of dubious means (we all know it was baited so you could be vindicated in case someone admitted it's ok sell out). I just felt compelled to point out that your public persona is a little overbearing, but then again, I don't meet many sales people that I like anyhow.
Again, just my opinion based on the impression I get. YMMV.
Frank
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(sometimes it's just better to walk away instead of proving a point)
If the cue makers over there are held to the standard the athletes are, we can expect to see some high quality cues being built...or they won't be "getting any":wink:
http://www.ketv.com/sports/20681551/detail.html
http://www.ketv.com/sports/20681551/detail.html
So... Now you admit the "question" had absolutely nothing whaesoever
to do with any machine real or imagined?
This may be progress...
Dale<I knew I was a genius - tho I plead guilty
to violating the first rule of the net - never feed a troll>
i see your internet is working again
call me when you're off , please
Do you feel the same way about IBM ? Cisco ? General Electric ? These are but a few of your fine American companies with significant operations in China. There are hundreds more. Perhaps boycott them all, if possible
Dave
Do you feel the same way about IBM ? Cisco ? General Electric ? These are but a few of your fine American companies with significant operations in China. There are hundreds more. Perhaps boycott them all, if possible
Dave
Well Im certainly not happy about it, but to say that Im going to boycott all of them would make a whole lot of sense wouldnt it? Thats like saying Im gonna quit eating and wearing clothes
. However, those are big companies, and they dont go around bashing America and praising China either. I dont expect everyone to see it my way, certainly not people from other countries, but no matter what anyone says, communism does not work, and the Chinese people are nothing but slave-labor to people like John and big companies alike. Joe
So did you get the answers you were looking for? Was it really worth all of this? Is the answer not obvious enough for you? I mean come on. Think of how many new design you could have come up with or how much more work could have been done. From what everyone says of you, your well traveled and experienced in this industry enough to answer your own question. So what would you do?
What a waste of time, who cares.
What a waste of time, who cares.
John Barton
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This was the question verbatim.
"If someone in China built a machine that would cut perfect points every time - meaning that your points on your cues would all come out sharp and perfect every time no matter the amount of veneers - would you want one?
Would you buy one if you had the opportunity and the money to do so?
I ask this as a follow up to the whole idea that some cue makers "sold out America" by teaching the Chinese what they know.
So my question is basically if the Chinese cue maker invented some killer technique or machine that truly advanced cuemaking would you want to acquire that knowledge or machine?"
Is there anything in these words that is unclear to you about the intent of my question?
Please pay special attention to the last two sentences.
John Barton
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Yes and no. No. You're right. I said what I would do. I care, that's why I asked the question.
John Barton
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Thank you, your point is well taken. My German friend also used to tell me that the tone makes the music. Obviously I was then and am still tone deaf.
I only have one point to make about your well-meant criticism that you say is not a personal attack.
When you say this to me. "(we all know it was baited so you could be vindicated in case someone admitted it's ok sell out)."
Then it is a personal attack. I don't know who "we all" is, but obviously all the respondents to the original question don't feel this way.
Do you honestly think that at this point in my life that I need or want anyone's approval? Surely you don't think that I thought any of the people who are "against" me personally would suddenly vindicate or validate what I do.
For the last time, the question was asked because it's a hot button issue and it's FREQUENTLY put forth on this board by SOME people and SOME cue makers that anyone who does business outside America and especially with China are selling out the USA. I vehemently disagree with this for a lot of reasons. So I asked the question to spark debate based on the topic, not because I feel guilty in any way for being in China.
If you choose not to purchase from me or any company I deal with then that's your choice. I am sure that there are plenty of people who decide to purchase from me and the company I work for because of what I do stand for so it balances out.
The beauty of being an American is that you can choose to vote with your dollars for any reason you choose and I can decide who to sell to. All of us prefer to work with people we like, it's more fun that way. I don't need to chase business at the expense of my values.
I will conclude that if I went by first impressions then I would not have become friends with two of the greatest people on Earth, two people whose political views are 100% opposite of mine and yet any of us would take a bullet for the other.
As I said however, your point is truly well taken, thank you for taking the time to write it.
John Barton
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Well Im certainly not happy about it, but to say that Im going to boycott all of them would make a whole lot of sense wouldnt it? Thats like saying Im gonna quit eating and wearing clothes
Joe
You're right Joe. Communism does not work. That is why the Chinese government promotes capitalism. That's why the Chinese people are working hard to pull themselves out of abject poverty and wish to have the same life that they see on American movies and television.
I honestly wish that you would at least attempt to educate yourself on what life is like in China today. Then you could stop using phrases like "slave labor".
I understand that you hate China. That's fine. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate "China". Use those instead of making things up and furthering stereotypes.
If you want to have a civil discussion on the things that are wrong with China then I will be happy to have that with you.
You constant accusation that I hate America is ludicrous. If I hated America then I would denounce it and renounce my citizenship. I hate certain things about America and I hope that we become more enlightened and seek to change those things and make America even better and even stronger.
Whether you want to believe it or not the world has changed. There is no cold war anymore. Even if we consider ourselves to be the only superpower the fact is that there are still hundreds of nuclear weapons in the world that can be pointed our way. We can never win a war against the rest of the world. China and India comprise almost half of the world's population, even with China's one-child policy. I firmly believe that in order to live in peace with the rest of the world we need to give up a little of our lifestyle, really just readjust it, not stop living well, just redefine what living well is, and therefore allow people in other countries to improve their own lifestyle.
I wish that you and I could just be civil to each other and discuss how to make the world better rather than accusing each other of making it worse.
John Barton
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I misspoke. I meant that we use 25% of the world's energy. I believe my source was "An Inconvenient Truth".
We pay market prices for the raw materials we import. Some of the countries that the materials are purchased from do invest in their infrastructure and as a result their standards of living are increasing. This is part of what leads to everyone's fears about what will happen when 200 million more cars hit the road in China and 100 million more in India. These two countries are however getting well ahead of America in the field of energy conservation. They themselves realize that they won't be able to support a level of energy consumption on par with the USA so they invest in both technical and social solutions to reduce energy consumption.
My apologies for making the wrong statement.
John Barton
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Sheldon and Willie both posted contributions to the topic. Do you have anything to say about the topic that doesn't have anything to do with me personally?
So, John, let's say I want a case from you. Knowing that I really don't care for you and we definitely disagree on many issues, would you sell the case to me?