Anyone do this before?

[dave sutton]

i did it on a real nice cue thats my player now. 4 point szamboti 4 window style cue i havent done it in years before this or since. mine was worse bc when i got my metal lathe i wanted to keep the first pin i made so i took the old pin out. big dummy. it doesnt affect play but sure made me mad. looks like a eyesore on a v nice cue :*(

 

[Tommy-D]

> I've been onto the hollow pin idea for a while,but want to do it for a different reason,but that sure is a positive side effect. Tommy D.

 

[jay helfert]

Thanks everyone for the input here! I really appreciate it!

Did you send this customer his money back yet?

 

[patrickcues]

Did you send this customer his money back yet?

Jay:
No not yet! Like I told the customer that purchased the cue. When I recieve his money I had to pay for supplies odered that I had ordered before I knew that I had the problem with this cue. I let him know that it would be a week or two at most before I could get it back out to him. Had I known that I was going to have a problem with this cue I would have never ordered materials and refunded his money that day! I offered the customer a few ways to resolve this. 1st was a refund as quickly as possible! 2nd was to build him a cue of his choice and 3rd was another cue that I have already finished here that is currently up for sale here on AZ . He declined on the 2nd 2 choices and wants a refund. The cue that I have posted up on AZ right is sold pending payment. So as soon as his money gets here, I will be next day air this persons money back to him.

 

[KJ Cues]

Did you send this customer his money back yet?

Maybe it's just me but I have to admit to being a little curious as to why this question was even asked in a public forum. I'd think that the payment/refund arrangements would be btwn the buyer & builder unless one of them felt the need to go public. Until then, the money aspect of this saga should be no ones business but theirs. Discretion should be upheld.
Please accept my apology if I'm misreading your question.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Maybe it's just me but I have to admit to being a little curious as to why this question was even asked in a public forum. I'd think that the payment/refund arrangements would be btwn the buyer & builder unless one of them felt the need to go public. Until then, the money aspect of this saga should be no ones business but theirs. Discretion should be upheld.
Please accept my apology if I'm misreading your question.

One of them felt the need to go public.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=156559
That's the only reason Jay asked the question in this case.

 

[KJ Cues]

I need to thank the people that took the time to bring me up to speed on what appears to be an unfortunate chain of events. Thanx Guys.

Mr. Helfert, I believe I now have a better understanding as to why you asked your question. Again, my apology Sir.

I've only spoken with Mr. Patrick on the phone so I don't know him personally but at the same time, I believe him to be a stand-up guy and will do the right thing if allowed the opportunity to do so. I don't believe for one minute that Doug would have brought this mishap to the forum if he'd had ANY intention of taking the buyer off. That just doesn't make sense.
Doug has apparently made several offers to make the deal right with a couple of other cues but it seems that the buyer only wants cash and he wants it now. That IS unfortunate.
I'm also somewhat taken aback by the 'piling-on' atmosphere going on in the other thread. That's totally uncalled for IMO as the resulting consequences could be far more damaging than the $1,200 involved. He was found guilty in the first post and slammed from then on. There's not a man here that would say that it was right or fair. People, please give the man the opportunity to do what is right. I'm sure it's no treat dealing with the client he has either.

Sorry to have stuck my nose in where it surely didn't belong. KJ

 

[Dave38]

I need to thank the people that took the time to bring me up to speed on what appears to be an unfortunate chain of events. Thanx Guys.

Mr. Helfert, I believe I now have a better understanding as to why you asked your question. Again, my apology Sir.

I've only spoken with Mr. Patrick on the phone so I don't know him personally but at the same time, I believe him to be a stand-up guy and will do the right thing if allowed the opportunity to do so. I don't believe for one minute that Doug would have brought this mishap to the forum if he'd had ANY intention of taking the buyer off. That just doesn't make sense.
Doug has apparently made several offers to make the deal right with a couple of other cues but it seems that the buyer only wants cash and he wants it now. That IS unfortunate.
I'm also somewhat taken aback by the 'piling-on' atmosphere going on in the other thread. That's totally uncalled for IMO as the resulting consequences could be far more damaging than the $1,200 involved. He was found guilty in the first post and slammed from then on. There's not a man here that would say that it was right or fair. People, please give the man the opportunity to do what is right. I'm sure it's no treat dealing with the client he has either.

Sorry to have stuck my nose in where it surely didn't belong. KJ

Whether your 'nose' belongs here or not, I cannot say, {haven't seen your nose} but your words of wisdom(and common sense) most certainly do belong here! It's amazing how this board has changed so dramatically over the 2 years I've been here. I would expect this kind of mob mentality from the African wilds, etc. not from a community such as this used to be.....:frown:
Dave

 

[cubswin]

It's amazing how this board has changed so dramatically over the 2 years I've been here. I would expect this kind of mob mentality from the African wilds, etc. not from a community such as this used to be.....


Been a lot of deals go wrong in those last two years. Many by two cue makers, and many by people just reselling cues. People are touchy, and I dare say that in this economy no one trusts in others until everything is done.

 

[gmillioni]

patrick cues, anyone do this before

just read the thread of the guy you took money from and told him he had his head up his ass. your business on this site is going to nose dive if you dont provide us members with a plausible explanation of why you dont refund his money now. offering him something as a replacement is not plausible. you sold something and reneged. "straighten up" like your cues are supposed to play - straight.

 

[Murray Tucker]

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=157360

I guess forums are like news papers. You are proclaimed guilty on the first page and the retraction is hidden in the classifieds.

just read the thread of the guy you took money from and told him he had his head up his ass. your business on this site is going to nose dive if you dont provide us members with a plausible explanation of why you dont refund his money now. offering him something as a replacement is not plausible. you sold something and reneged. "straighten up" like your cues are supposed to play - straight.

 

[Dave38]

just read the thread of the guy you took money from and told him he had his head up his ass. your business on this site is going to nose dive if you dont provide us members with a plausible explanation of why you dont refund his money now. offering him something as a replacement is not plausible. you sold something and reneged. "straighten up" like your cues are supposed to play - straight.

Someone should have read the ENTIRE thread before responding in such a manner, then that person wouldn't look like a ..... Especially without the complete facts.
JMO.
Dave

 

[ARROWCRUSHER]

just read the thread of the guy you took money from and told him he had his head up his ass. your business on this site is going to nose dive if you dont provide us members with a plausible explanation of why you dont refund his money now. offering him something as a replacement is not plausible. you sold something and reneged. "straighten up" like your cues are supposed to play - straight.

This cracks me up above ^
This guy gets on here, as a newbie, and wants to critisize a very good cuemaker for something that was taken care of with in a week of the problem. Maybe I don't know it all . But this guy goes back just far enough to read this negative thread but doesn't go the rest of the way to read to the end. Where it clearly states that everything was taken care of. If your going to come on here to bash someone or something that you know nothing about, I for one don 't want to hear your opinion. Do a search and you will see everything was taken care of as Doug said it would be. If you were or are a cuemaker you would understand that things happen sometime out of your control. I am not a cuemaker but I am a metal fabricator , millwright by trade. So I know things happen that are not as planned. I also work on shafts , ferrules and tips. And there are always something that can go wrong out of your control. (customer's warped shaft ) And they want a tip and ferrule replacement to fix. They want it to be like new but I am not a magican ! So do yourself a favor read all threads about this subject before you critisize someone or something you know nothing about !! < jmo> ED

 

[patrickcues]

just read the thread of the guy you took money from and told him he had his head up his ass. your business on this site is going to nose dive if you dont provide us members with a plausible explanation of why you dont refund his money now. offering him something as a replacement is not plausible. you sold something and reneged. "straighten up" like your cues are supposed to play - straight.

Welcome to the forum! Nice start by the way! If you actually do a search of this you will find this! Refund issued as promissed! If you only read the first page of his thread I can see where you are coming from. Which is probably what you did! Like most others! I would suggest going back and read at least to the third page where I explained in great detail what had actually happened with this cue and I think you may have a diferrent opinion! Here is the link to where I issued a refund within the 2 week time frame as requested! http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=157360

If you are going stir the feathers at least know all the facts before you do!

Thanks
DOUG

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Doug, in most cases such as this, I wish people had better things to do than
stir up old posts just because they're bored. Not you, the guy you quoted. You have every right for a rebuttel.
And I guess I shouldn't have added to it either, other than you were totally stand up thru the whole ordeal.

 

[patrickcues]

Doug, in most cases such as this, I wish people had better things to do than
stir up old posts just because they're bored. Not you, the guy you quoted. You have every right for a rebuttel.
And I guess I shouldn't have added to it either, other than you were totally stand up thru the whole ordeal.

Thanks Blue! I have learned in life to stand up and handle my problems rather than hide! This gentlemen is a newbie here! I dont think for a second that he knew what kind of effect a comment like the one posted could have on my bussiness! Everyone makes mistakes in life. It how you handle and take care of your mistake is what makes you as a person! I dont believe he ment any harm!!!!

 

[Dave38]

It's interesting how a 'newbie' comes on and makes an inflamitory post such as this, bold and brassy. Then disappears into thin air when they are corrected. I have noticed this recently with a few threads, and makes me think there are some people with dual accounts, etc. so they can stir things up without it coming back on them. A true newbie that meant no harm would post right back, saying as much. But we keep seeing people join just to flame, then dissappear. Is it just me that notices this new trend?
Dave

 

[patrickcues]

Dave:

He posted a apology in the wanted for sale sectioin. Titled "apology" But to answer you question yes I have noticed that also! Hopefully people will take notes and learn from this!

Thanks
DOUG

 

[JoeyInCali]

I heard Patrick was trapped in a big balloon and he's up in the sky.

 

[Cue Crazy]

I heard Patrick was trapped in a big balloon and he's up in the sky.

Sounds like You saw that story on the news yesterday LOL.

I'm glad they found that Kid, and that It wasn't him filmed falling from the balloon. That would have been tragic. I'm sure law enforcement wasn't too happy with the resources they wasted though.

BTW Doug, Don't think I've mentioned It yet so I will here, Happy to hear You took care of things. It is true that Somethings are beyond our control,and seemed like You kind of got a raw deal before getting a chance to make good, yet You were stand up, and still did the right thing. Way to be man, piece of mind is a good thing in My book:smile: