Lee Brett making a splash at the U.S. Open

Andrew Manning said:
True, but a "good" follow through doesn't have to mean a very long follow through. I follow through about 8", and I see some players forcing a follow through of double that (or more), well beyond their stroke's natural finish, because well-meaning people have told them more follow-through means more power.

I guess what I'm saying is that allowing the elbow to drop on power strokes because the momentum of the stroke pulls it down is one thing, but consciously causing the elbow to drop by artificially extending the follow-through is surely a mechanical flaw. So when somebody says they "teach" the elbow drop, what I hear is they're taking those players whose elbows aren't naturally dropping, and introducing a mechanical flaw into their game.

-Andrew
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An 8 inch follow through is fine, 16 inches is insane. So I guess we agree there. If anyone is saying that a longer follow through creates more power though, I would agree that it is misleading. Using Ronnie as a model again, he goes about 4-5 inches beyond the cue ball except for power shots and soft shots. I guess the best way to describe it, is finishing your stroke, letting the momentum carry it towards it's natural finish. If you can do that without moving your elbow, I guess more power to you (har har)

When someone teaches an elbow drop they would be teaching how to do it properly. It's not a matter of artificially extending the follow through but rather ensuring that the elbow isn't dropping before the cue returns to the cue ball. In other words, avoiding a Mike Davis stroke if you will.
 
Pushout said:
Allen Hopkins is a good example of a short stroke that does work, for him, at least. Allen does follow through, just not very far. Willie Mosconi, in his little red book, advocates using a short stroke, though he was referring to Straight Pool and I'm guessing that this discussion, like most others these days, refers to 9 ball.
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I think Hopkins gets through the ball quite well actually, here is his 14.1 match with hohmann. Nothing wrong with a compact stroke though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq_tO_P4OSU&feature=PlayList&p=488660C64EB080C7&index=26

Pei Wei Chang is a good example of a guy with very little follow through, but he has been criticized in the past for lacking power.
 
Cameron Smith said:
An 8 inch follow through is fine, 16 inches is insane. So I guess we agree there. If anyone is saying that a longer follow through creates more power though, I would agree that it is misleading. Using Ronnie as a model again, he goes about 4-5 inches beyond the cue ball except for power shots and soft shots. I guess the best way to describe it, is finishing your stroke, letting the momentum carry it towards it's natural finish. If you can do that without moving your elbow, I guess more power to you (har har)

When someone teaches an elbow drop they would be teaching how to do it properly. It's not a matter of artificially extending the follow through but rather ensuring that the elbow isn't dropping before the cue returns to the cue ball. In other words, avoiding a Mike Davis stroke if you will.
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CAMERON: Very well stated....SPF=randyg
 
I'm not sure that I understand all this talk about the elbow.

Personally, I tend to pay more attention to what the cue is doing. If the cue is going straight through the cue ball with an accelerating stroke, then all is good. If not, then whatever it takes for that person to achieve a straight accelerating stroke through the ball is the right thing to do.

I don't think I have any idea what my elbow is doing.

If only I could see! LOL!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
Scott Lee said:
Absolutely right Roger, which means that the 'elbow drop' is a choice, not a necessity. The most accurate way of delivering the cue will always be a pendulum stroke. That certainly doesn't mean that the delivery can't be made other ways...as is shown by Lee Brett.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mika has this type of arm movement, it's an effective movement when moving whitey all over the place in rotation pool and working the middle of whitey to kill it or let it out, on another note* look at the bridge distances of players nowadays compared to the 14.1 players of the last generation.
 
Island Drive said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mika has this type of arm movement, it's an effective movement when moving whitey all over the place in rotation pool and working the middle of whitey to kill it or let it out, on another note* look at the bridge distances of players nowadays compared to the 14.1 players of the last generation.
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Mika is definitely an elbow dropper.

JoeyA
 
Mika does not elbow drop on all shots. As I have mentioned a million times, the issue is WHEN the elbow moves. If it is after contact with the CB, it doesn't affect striking the CB accurately. If it is prior to, or at contact, there can be plenty of miscalculation on where the tip actually strikes the CB. Pro players like Mika, and others, have perfect timing, which allows them to use this technique. Amateur players do not, and therein lies the problem. BTW, the elbow drop does not produce anything exceptional to the outcome of the shot, that cannot be duplicated without dropping the elbow.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

JoeyA said:
Mika is definitely an elbow dropper.

JoeyA
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I "think" this is a good example of elbow drop with a loooong follow through.

I don't really have anything to add to this thread. I just thought this was a cool picture. :)

Earl-follow-through.jpg
 
Rubyron...This is a great example (although probably moreso than most 'elbow drop' strokes). Since the CB is gone off the tip in 1/1000th of a second, there's NO way that this movement can impact the outcome of the shot.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Rubyron said:
I "think" this is a good example of elbow drop with a loooong follow through.

I don't really have anything to add to this thread. I just thought this was a cool picture. :)

Earl-follow-through.jpg
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Scott Lee said:
Mika does not elbow drop on all shots. As I have mentioned a million times, the issue is WHEN the elbow moves. If it is after contact with the CB, it doesn't affect striking the CB accurately. If it is prior to, or at contact, there can be plenty of miscalculation on where the tip actually strikes the CB. Pro players like Mika, and others, have perfect timing, which allows them to use this technique. Amateur players do not, and therein lies the problem. BTW, the elbow drop does not produce anything exceptional to the outcome of the shot, that cannot be duplicated without dropping the elbow.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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NO ONE, drops their elbow on ALL SHOTS. I haven't mentioned this a million times but I'm sure by now you understand that NO ONE, DROPS THEIR ELBOW ON ALL SHOTS.

I doubt that you or anyone else would convince Mika, Davis or any other professional player that primarily use the elbow drop that it produces nothing exceptional to the outcome of the shot, that cannot be duplicated without dropping the elbow. But you can always try. :wink:


JoeyA
 
Lee Brett is a psychopath who should not be trusted. He will rip anyone off given half the chance....if he loses money in a big game he will probably put his queue over the other guys head b4 taking his money. Honestly there is no smoke without fire...why would people just lie about him ? The truth is we are not lying about him he is a nutjob, steer clear !!!!
 
snookershark said:
Lee Brett is a psychopath who should not be trusted. He will rip anyone off given half the chance....if he loses money in a big game he will probably put his queue over the other guys head b4 taking his money. Honestly there is no smoke without fire...why would people just lie about him ? The truth is we are not lying about him he is a nutjob, steer clear !!!!
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1 post another 1 tk has been tellin lies to, thanks for the post my lawyer will be in touch.

keep it coming you people in columbia seriously need to get a life and remember there are 2 sides to every story, not what tk says, keep the posts coming i look forward to them all for my lawyer.
 
Lee's been staying at my house for the last week. The guy's not a psychopath at all. In fact, he's one of the biggest gentlemen I've ever met.

It's obvious some of these guys in SC and Lee didn't see eye to eye--- and there's two sides to every story, believe me.

Hey, if you guys didn't get along with Lee - so be it. Everyone up here in York get along with him just fine. I offered him to come up to York to rescue him from his shit situation down south.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Lee's been staying at my house for the last week. The guy's not a psychopath at all. In fact, he's one of the biggest gentlemen I've ever met.

It's obvious some of these guys in SC and Lee didn't see eye to eye--- and there's two sides to every story, believe me.

Hey, if you guys didn't get along with Lee - so be it. Everyone up here in York get along with him just fine. I offered him to come up to York to rescue him from his shit situation down south.
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I think its time to put all of the negative comments about Lee to rest.

I've met SpiderWebComm and if he says Lee is all right, I'll take his word for it until Lee proves otherwise.

These innuendos and constant quasi-sniping remarks are getting really old.

Thanks for the heads-up Dave.

JoeyA
 
Lee was very helpful to me at the Fatboy Challenge this past week. He is a very knowledgeable pool man who has the ear of many top players. I talked at length with him about various pool subjects and he knows his stuff. No BS from this guy! He also played in the 9-Ball tourney but didn't get too far. Don't think he can't play though. :cool:
A word to the wise, be careful about matching up with him at Snooker. You might not like it!
 
wll theres no doubt

that he can shoot he shoots at the my local poolhall and
he is a really nice guy and easy to talk to
i still have not seen a bad side to the guy at all
and he is funny when he is not on the table
but after the past couple of months of knowing him i say that he is a really good guy and a gd friend at that
 
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