Missed calling "you're on 2", but did call "on 2" after 3rd foul. Is he on 2 now?

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Missed calling "you're on 2", but did call "on 2" after 3rd foul. Is he on 2 now?

Seems some very big names here in NC don't know the answer for sure or they could not come to agreement. Earl, Derek Leonard and others went round and round without conclusion. Seems evident to me.

Player A fouls twice in a row but Player B neglects to say "you're on 2." Player A 3 fouls, upon which Player B says "dang it, I forget to say you're on 2, so I'm saying it now even though you just fouled 3 in a row."

Is Player A on 2 now? I say yes, there's no start over to the fouling process.

Thanks!
 
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KoolKat9Lives said:
Seems some very big names here in NC don't know the answer for sure or they could not come to agreement. Earl, Derek Leonard and others went round and round without conclusion. Seems evident to me.

Player A fouls twice in a row but Player B neglects to say "you're on 2." Player A 3 fouls, upon which Player B says "dang it, I forget to say you're on 2, so I'm saying it now even though you just fouled 3 in a row."

Is Player A on 2 now? I say yes, there's no start over to the fouling process.

Thanks!
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Well it seems to me if he has not made a good hit on OB, he would still be in the 3 foul rulling?? but good question. come on some of you master TD HELP????:confused::confused:
 
stick8 said:
Well it seems to me if he has not made a good hit on OB, he would still be in the 3 foul rulling?? but good question. come on some of you master TD HELP????:confused::confused:
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I know the rule definitely requires you to say "you're on 2" prior to your opponent shooting and after you have shot (meaning you can't say "you're on 2" right after he 2 fouled). Otherwise a 3rd foul is not a 3rd foul.
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
Seems some very big names here in NC don't know the answer for sure or they could not come to agreement. Earl, Derek Leonard and others went round and round without conclusion. Seems evident to me.

Player A fouls twice in a row but Player B neglects to say "you're on 2." Player A 3 fouls, upon which Player B says "dang it, I forget to say you're on 2, so I'm saying it now even though you just fouled 3 in a row."

Is Player A on 2 now? I say yes, there's no start over to the fouling process.

Thanks!
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Player A is now on 2 fouls.

6.14 Three Consecutive Fouls

If a player fouls three times without making an intervening legal shot, it is a serious foul. In games scored by the rack, such as nine ball, the fouls must be in a single rack. Some games such as eight ball do not include this rule.

The referee must warn a shooter who is on two fouls when he comes to the table that he is on two fouls. Otherwise a possible third foul will be considered to be only the second.

If no referee is officiating then it was player B's responsibility to notify player A that he (A) was on 2 before player A shot again.
 
Thanks Sec Fats!

I'll put something under your tree. :)

Secaucus Fats said:
Player A is now on 2 fouls.

6.14 Three Consecutive Fouls

If a player fouls three times without making an intervening legal shot, it is a serious foul. In games scored by the rack, such as nine ball, the fouls must be in a single rack. Some games such as eight ball do not include this rule.

The referee must warn a shooter who is on two fouls when he comes to the table that he is on two fouls. Otherwise a possible third foul will be considered to be only the second.

If no referee is officiating then it was player B's responsibility to notify player A that he (A) was on 2 before player A shot again.
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KoolKat9Lives said:
I know the rule definitely requires you to say "you're on 2" prior to your opponent shooting and after you have shot (meaning you can't say "you're on 2" right after he 2 fouled). Otherwise a 3rd foul is not a 3rd foul.
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I have always played that it doesn't matter when you notify your opponent as long as it is after his second foul and before he shoots again. There have been numerous times I have warned my opponent as soon as he two fouls and before I shoot. I have his acknowledgement of his second foul, not my problem if he can't remember for no longer than a minute.
 
Brandon,

The rules are quite specific that you must warn your opponent when he comes to the table with the potential to commit the third foul.

This comes primarily from Straight Pool where your opponent may sit for a very long time between when he commits the second foul and when he comes to the table again. Therefore, the opposing player must warn him when he returns to the table.

Royce Bunnell
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I could see where that would be a problem in straight pool. I have never had an issue when playing rotation style games and no one has really called me on it. Usually my intent is to play immediately safe so they are returning to the table rather quickly. I don't warn like that every time, but I will have to remember to be more consistent.
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
Seems some very big names here in NC don't know the answer for sure or they could not come to agreement. Earl, Derek Leonard and others went round and round without conclusion. Seems evident to me.

Player A fouls twice in a row but Player B neglects to say "you're on 2." Player A 3 fouls, upon which Player B says "dang it, I forget to say you're on 2, so I'm saying it now even though you just fouled 3 in a row."

Is Player A on 2 now? I say yes, there's no start over to the fouling process.

Thanks!
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KK9,
You are correct.

I have seen it happen in a tournament - at DCC a few years ago.

Buddy Hall vs. George Breedlove, hill-hill. Buddy is in a bad place, George gets 2 fouls on him, but fails to call "on 2" and Buddy makes a 3rd foul. They both realize that George failed to call it, and proceeded to play (no big deal, didn't call the tournament director, behaved as professionals). George played yet another safety, and forces Buddy into 4 fouls in a row to win the match.

Efren Reyes was watching this "foul-fest" from the next table. As soon as the match was over, he jumped into the fray, demanding to try to make the hit that Buddy missed (Buddy had claimed it was impossible to make a legal hit from where George stuck him). It took Efren 4 tries, but he finally hit the ball that Buddy missed.
 
brandoncook26 said:
I have always played that it doesn't matter when you notify your opponent as long as it is after his second foul and before he shoots again. There have been numerous times I have warned my opponent as soon as he two fouls and before I shoot. I have his acknowledgement of his second foul, not my problem if he can't remember for no longer than a minute.
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It's fine to notify them when they commit the second foul but be prepared to say it again just before they shoot. Some will claim they didn't hear you the first time.

And it's good practice for you to remember what the two previous fouls were so that you will be able to identify them in case they might have a memory lapse.

P.S. Koolcat, tell them they are on three fouls.
 
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If efren hit it in 4 then I would think that if Buddy had 4 he would have hit it also. But he only had one.
 
dabarbr said:
It's fine to notify them when they commit the second foul but be prepared to say it again just before they shoot. Some will claim they didn't hear you the first time.

And it's good practice for you to remember what the two previous fouls were so that you will be able to identify them in case they might have a memory lapse.

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DB,
Truer words were never spoken. I learned it the hard way; but now follow your advice every time.
 
At the Galveston Tournament, the 10 Ball event had a rule very well defined to cover this point.

3-Foul Rule: If you commit 3 successive fouls in one game you lose the game. Your opponent must notify you that you are on 2 fouls immediately before your next inning.

This rule reduces the opportunity to argue. To expect, or HOPE :grin: that your opponent might forget when he finally comes to the table for this third inning, that you said he was on 2 as soon as he committed the second foul is just asking for trouble.

The responsibility of making your opponent aware that he is on two should be YOUR responsibility and it should be done as soon as the player begins his next inning.

Having him acknowledge that he is one two is great too, even if it is only a nod.

But the real castraters say "you're on 2" as soon as he commits the 2nd foul and say the same thing AGAIN as soon as the opponent approaches the table for his third inning. It could be viewed as a shark, kind of like rubbing salt into the wound but with some players occasionally not "hearing" you...........


JoeyA
 
Thats the way I do it. I tell him he's on two when he commits the 2nd foul, and then again when he comes to the table for the 3rd foul. I also stick two fingers in the air when telling him this both times so he can see as well.

I've had the occasional player tell me something like "you already told me, etc.", but I've never had a player tell me "I didn't hear you". I like my percentages the way I do it.
 
knifemaker said:
If efren hit it in 4 then I would think that if Buddy had 4 he would have hit it also. But he only had one.
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Knife-man,
Actually, each of Buddy's 4 attempts was quite similar; but George kept putting him in a situation where the kick (3 rails) - was just a bit more difficult each time; and Buddy didn't disturb the balls much each time. The last kick was by far the most difficult (the reason Efren couldn't wait to try it - it looked impossible, only a billiards expert would tackle it).
 
JoeyA said:
The responsibility of making your opponent aware that he is on two should be YOUR responsibility and it should be done as soon as the player begins his next inning.

Having him acknowledge that he is one two is great too, even if it is only a nod.
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While I agree that letting them know they are on 2 is the non-fouling players responsibility, and that they should get acknowledgment, I have never agreed that he should have to remember to tell them as the other player is coming to the table.

Once that fouling player has agreed that he is on two, it should be HIS responsibility to remember. Shouldnt a player be responsible for his own game?

I know some rules are being written so that you have to tell them as they are coming to the table, I just dont agree. You should have to get the player on two to acknowledge, and then it should be on him. But it shouldnt be your job to remind him of where he is in the game.


Just my opinion, and I know others may not feel the same :)
 
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