Top 10 in the world

My list no particular order...

Ralf Souquet
Mika Immonen
Francisco Bustamante
Lee Van Corteza
Ronato Alcano
Alex Pagulayan (yes, I still think hes one of the best and would probably be my top 3 pick)
Dennis Orcollo
Shin Shung Yang
Wu Chia Ching
Johnny Archer

Now heres my top 5 order if I had my life on the line...

1: Ralf Souquet
2: Alex Pagulayan
3: Shin Shung Yang
4: Wu Chia Ching
5: Ronato Alcano

To me these are the coolest customers of the bunch under pressure.
 
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Guys what's with the inferiority complex? As a Canadian I don't understand it. Because you don't completely dominate doesn't mean the US is not a power-house of pool. In no particular order.
John S
Danny H (Remember him)
Cory
Shannon D
Gabe O
JJ
SVB
Rodney M
JA
Mike Sigel (Yes he can still play)
Hatch
Oscar D
Charlie W
HB Bryant
Call me crazy but I bet Earl will have at least one big comeback win Alla Jack Nicholas.

Oh and we Canadians consider AP a Canadian whether he does or not:eek:

With that list, Canadians are doing a poll to have you deported. Two on the list would be considered, the rest would be given games the 5 ball and up. I think a few would start a filipino civil war from people wanting to play first.
 
No Efren in any of your lists? I know he's getting old, but I'll keep him in mine for a little while more... :)

Then, to make things clear, are we referring to: money games, tournaments, both?
And: are we just talking about 9-10 ball or can we also consider all around skills? I know some games are not played outside the US (1 hole, banks..) but maybe straight pool and 8-ball skills can make the difference between some of them.
 
I am just really surprised how few times Mika makes any of the lists. How many events in any country against any field do you have to win to be declared best in the world right now (at tournament play) I've never seen him play for money, i am sure no one would get rich betting against him.
 
hi

It's tough to put any American in the top ten worldwide. Shane hasn't continued to improve. He still plays great, but seems to stumble against the world's top players. Johnny is probably still the best player we have and is a threat to beat anyone. He's the closest to a top ten player we have. But even Johnny hasn't had much success Internationally in several years. He does continue to win domestically though, against strong fields too.

Dennis clearly has the skills to be top ten but he needs to get out there and prove it, beyond the Mosconi Cup. When he travels to Asia and wins over there, that's when he can make claims to being one of the best. I'd love to see him try because I think he would open some eyes. Right now he's still an unknown quantity on the International pool scene. Shane is just about the only player we have who goes to all the major International tournaments.

There are some important events, of International significance, in the USA this year. The World Pool Masters (opened up to 64 players), perhaps the new U.S. Open Ten Ball that follows it and the U.S. Open of course. Let Dennis (or ?) win a couple of those and he will be right there.

We have many other very good players here - Rodney, Oscar, Corey, Schmitty, Charley, Jeremy, Gabe etc. But until they can win tournaments with all the best players, they cannot be considered top ten worldwide. It isn't easy to travel all over the world and play, but the premier players manage to do it. Oscar's out there trying right now. He may break through too. We'll have to see.

My top ten would consist of several filipinos, Taiwanese and European players. Look who's winning all the major tournaments. Donny Mills is one more American who might have a chance on the world stage, but he is too busy making a living. He needs a backer/sponsor who would send him everywhere to play. JMHO of course.

Maybe this recent Mosconi Cup win will revitalize respect for pool in America.

not to get technical,and im not saying i should be in top 10.

when i won us open it had 217 of best players.

i beat 3 pinoys alcano,gabica,luat 11-8,11-3 and 11-6.

anyway ive won tourneys with the best players im just sayin.

if i played more than 12 events and played all the international ones i might even win more.

now im sure many will chime in and remind me how many players will rob me and how they are head and shoulders better than me but seriously ive won tourneys with monster fields and actually beat alcano playting even 10ball after 14 hours for over 1000 a set.

in closing im not saying i am or am not top 10,but i have won against fields with the best players.

another thing you said look whos winning all the major events pinoys euros etc your right but the usa best dont even go to many of those.at least i dont so i guess i dont count.

anyway jmho later
 
souquet may not be the most entertaining player on earth but he's the one with cleanest game out there...skill is surely more interesting than speed...and by the way i think that sometimes johnny archer plays even slower than ralf...

for sure yang is among the top 10 taiwanese players for 10 years but
souquet is among the world's top 10 for more than 15 years...

i don't think yang will ever manage to win 3 eurotour stops in a year nor winning back to back stops like ralf did or even winning world championship...
moreover i strongly believe that is tougher to top the eurotour rankings than taiwanese charts...

anyway if they play race to 100 for a big ammount of money ralf will win 10 times out of 10...if they play race to 15-20 anything can happen...

ralf is not a feared money player because he gets so much money every year from tournament winnings and from sponsors that doesn't even need to play money games...
moreover i find it's tougher to handle the pressure while playing in a big final than while playing in a money game...but this are just my 2 cents

You are really misinformed on how well Yang plays...9-ball and 10-ball he is top 5 in the WORLD, a list which IMO does include Ralf. He has won many of those Asian 9-ball tour stops, which have tougher fields than any Eurotour tournament.

Yang is the best player from Taiwan, which is the only country that rivals the Philippines in terms of skill.
 
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You are really misinformed on how well Yang plays...9-ball and 10-ball he is top 5 in the WORLD, a list which IMO does include Ralf. He has won many of those Asian 9-ball tour stops, which have tougher fields than any Eurotour tournament.

Yang is the best player from Taiwan, which is the only country that rivals the Philippines in terms of skill.

you are really misinformed on how tough is winning an eurotour stop with a field of 256 players that everytime includes at least 6-7 world champions...10 times tougher than winning a guinness 9-ball stop that has a field of 24 players that includes the prince of brunei:)...

if you state that yang is one of the world's top 5 i must assume that you watch too many videos on youtube:)...infact the only video on yt that shows yang losing a match is the the final of the world games...because taiwanese guys just post videos of his victories and this thing sucks...i have to figure out that they just can't stand seeing him loosing but he's not a pool god and we all know that at big levels any player can loose a match...

imo wu and chao are the best taiwanese players by a countrymile...yang is not even close to achieve what they achieved...
 
not to get technical,and im not saying i should be in top 10.

when i won us open it had 217 of best players.

i beat 3 pinoys alcano,gabica,luat 11-8,11-3 and 11-6.

anyway ive won tourneys with the best players im just sayin.

if i played more than 12 events and played all the international ones i might even win more.

now im sure many will chime in and remind me how many players will rob me and how they are head and shoulders better than me but seriously ive won tourneys with monster fields and actually beat alcano playting even 10ball after 14 hours for over 1000 a set.

in closing im not saying i am or am not top 10,but i have won against fields with the best players.

another thing you said look whos winning all the major events pinoys euros etc your right but the usa best dont even go to many of those.at least i dont so i guess i dont count.

anyway jmho later

Thanks for contributing John. You need to match up with someone. This will help with your exposure.
 
Hey John

not to get technical,and im not saying i should be in top 10.

when i won us open it had 217 of best players.

i beat 3 pinoys alcano,gabica,luat 11-8,11-3 and 11-6.

anyway ive won tourneys with the best players im just sayin.

if i played more than 12 events and played all the international ones i might even win more.

now im sure many will chime in and remind me how many players will rob me and how they are head and shoulders better than me but seriously ive won tourneys with monster fields and actually beat alcano playting even 10ball after 14 hours for over 1000 a set.

in closing im not saying i am or am not top 10,but i have won against fields with the best players.

another thing you said look whos winning all the major events pinoys euros etc your right but the usa best dont even go to many of those.at least i dont so i guess i dont count.

anyway jmho later

John,

I understand where you're you coming from. I know it's hard for somebody like you who thinks so highly of himself, and with good reasons, not even mentioned in passing with these great players, some of them not even a "champion" like you. But before you start harping on your supposed success with Alcano or the rest of the pinoys, Andam is kinda asking about where you are right now. He said you two have an unfinished business.

Seemed like you got the short end of the stick last time you guys played. He wants to give you another chance if you are still inclined.

So now, you might want to ask yourself, would I want to really mix it up with these guys?
 
Boasting a win with a spot

nice list but gallego would get beat by archer or svb.
i beat him with the 8 ball playing 10 ball so you know he does not play that good.

Hey Bartram,

I don't think it's really cool to boast of a win with a big spot from somebody.

Why don't you match up with him even, and if you beat him, then you can can start talking thrash about the other person.

If you think you are so good, get up there and ask Gallego to play you even and gamble with him. Let's see if Gallego can play or not!!

We'll be waiting for your reply at the DCC...
 
John,

I understand where you're you coming from. I know it's hard for somebody like you who thinks so highly of himself, and with good reasons, not even mentioned in passing with these great players, some of them not even a "champion" like you. But before you start harping on your supposed success with Alcano or the rest of the pinoys, Andam is kinda asking about where you are right now. He said you two have an unfinished business.

Seemed like you got the short end of the stick last time you guys played. He wants to give you another chance if you are still inclined.

So now, you might want to ask yourself, would I want to really mix it up with these guys?

they are great no doubt. andam beat me 21-17, by the way ask him if he would like to play all around and you can stake him. ive played many pinoys they are all respectful unlike you .
i will try andam again by the way.
 
Hey Bartram,

I don't think it's really cool to boast of a win with a big spot from somebody.

Why don't you match up with him even, and if you beat him, then you can can start talking thrash about the other person.

If you think you are so good, get up there and ask Gallego to play you even and gamble with him. Let's see if Gallego can play or not!!

We'll be waiting for your reply at the DCC...

Bartram just stated a fact that he beat Gallego getting the 8 ball, thus he feels Gallego isnt in the top 10 and doesnt play as good as the other champions. How is that bragging? If you think Gallego plays so good, maybe he should play Shane some even. Lets see if Gallego can play or not!! WTF?? I'll be waiting your reply at the DCC.....didnt think so.
 
they are great no doubt. andam beat me 21-17, by the way ask him if he would like to play all around and you can stake him. ive played many pinoys they are all respectful unlike you .
i will try andam again by the way.

Must be nap time in the P.I cause this dog lost his bark.
 
Hey Bartram,

I don't think it's really cool to boast of a win with a big spot from somebody.

Why don't you match up with him even, and if you beat him, then you can can start talking thrash about the other person.

If you think you are so good, get up there and ask Gallego to play you even and gamble with him. Let's see if Gallego can play or not!!

We'll be waiting for your reply at the DCC...

you are a fool i never said he cant play.
i said svb or archer would beat him and at dcc does he want to play them?
thats what i thought.
 
Hey Bartram,

I don't think it's really cool to boast of a win with a big spot from somebody.

Why don't you match up with him even, and if you beat him, then you can can start talking thrash about the other person.

If you think you are so good, get up there and ask Gallego to play you even and gamble with him. Let's see if Gallego can play or not!!

We'll be waiting for your reply at the DCC...

does he want to play with the 8 ball again?
i get beat all the time by the phill and i keep playing.
or he can play svb even or j archer.
 
you are really misinformed on how tough is winning an eurotour stop with a field of 256 players that everytime includes at least 6-7 world champions...10 times tougher than winning a guinness 9-ball stop that has a field of 24 players that includes the prince of brunei:)...

if you state that yang is one of the world's top 5 i must assume that you watch too many videos on youtube:)...infact the only video on yt that shows yang losing a match is the the final of the world games...because taiwanese guys just post videos of his victories and this thing sucks...i have to figure out that they just can't stand seeing him loosing but he's not a pool god and we all know that at big levels any player can loose a match...

imo wu and chao are the best taiwanese players by a countrymile...yang is not even close to achieve what they achieved...

Yang is Chao's protege. Chao is way past his prime. Wu represents Singapore now. And when I say top 5 in the world, Mika and Ralf are included (this is just my list, which is Yang, Orcullo, Immonen, Souquet, and Alex if he is playing)

At the moment, Orcullo is the best player out of the Philippines, and Yang gave him the cure, twice, in a race to 50 10-ball and a race to 60 9-ball.

There is a reason nobody is lining up to play this guy, he plays THAT good. If Mika and Ralf gambled, it might be a different story, but they don't. They are not the favorite in a long race for a lot of money.

The fact that you believe that if Yang and Souquet played a race to 100, Ralf would win 10 out of 10 times tells me that you really don't know what you're talking about. You're just a fan boy who thinks nobody can beat your favorite player.

And I don't just think Yang is the best player from Taiwan, the whole country of Taiwan and the Philippines thinks so too.....
 
I also like Shane or Johnny over Gallego playing even. But I don't think either one can give him any weight. Ramil is one of what they call the "second tier" filipinos, still as good as anyone in the USA. But not in their first tier of four or five players.

Any "second tier" filipino would be capable of winning a major tournament over here and they have. Gallego, Kiamco, De luna, Gabica, Luat and Gomez are all considered second tier.

FYI Alex, Dennis, Francisco, Lee Van and Ronnie are first tier. Efren has been first tier for over twenty years but he is borderline these days, at least at 9-Ball or Ten Ball. At Rotation or One Pocket he is still numero uno!
 
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I think it's fairly difficult to rank the Taiwanese players along with the rest of the world. They don't seem to travel much or at all to play in international events. They do well in the World Championships, but it's been held in they're backyard for the last 6 years. Similarily the Americans always do well at the US Open.

I'm not saying they aren't great players, only that it's tough. It's worth mentioning that Europe still has a complete stranglehold on cuesports world championships.
 
Yang is Chao's protege. Chao is way past his prime. Wu represents Singapore now. And when I say top 5 in the world, Mika and Ralf are included (this is just my list, which is Yang, Orcullo, Immonen, Souquet, and Alex if he is playing)

At the moment, Orcullo is the best player out of the Philippines, and Yang gave him the cure, twice, in a race to 50 10-ball and a race to 60 9-ball.

There is a reason nobody is lining up to play this guy, he plays THAT good. If Mika and Ralf gambled, it might be a different story, but they don't. They are not the favorite in a long race for a lot of money.

The fact that you believe that if Yang and Souquet played a race to 100, Ralf would win 10 out of 10 times tells me that you really don't know what you're talking about. You're just a fan boy who thinks nobody can beat your favorite player.

And I don't just think Yang is the best player from Taiwan, the whole country of Taiwan and the Philippines thinks so too.....

Yeah, I don't really understand why Yang doesn't get more respect. Orcullo is obviously one of the top players in the world, and would probably make most people's top 5 list, and would be number one on many lists. And Yang handled him twice, in long races, and weren't both matches played in the Philippines? Anyone who thinks Orcullo is top 5 should think just as highly of Yang, it seems to me.
 
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