Rules for avoiding fights

IMHO pretty much every non-employed pool player has, out of necessity, "hustled" the suckers.

The cognoscente are aware, and prepared for the fact, that miscreant behavior begates same.

b ah boy scout...
 
I have one rule: Don't ever play with A$$holes.

. I refuse to play anyone who display any form of "ass-holiness" .



In a new place how do u know so and so is an Aresehole and what are the things u look for in a person to call him an arsehole? Just wondering.people can easily misunderstand others and for example -In one USA city there was this pool room which was a rough place. I sensed that People in that room were acting different towards me and some people used leave the place as soon as I walk in and I did not know why. without me asking, One day the bar tender of the pool room told me that no one liked me there because they all thought I was a thief.That is the word he used in describing me.The truth is that I am anything but a thief.

People who know me don`t mess with me.people who don`t know me will mess with me only to regret for messing with me. I can go to any place in USA and can play anyone I want to.my favorite places are redneck places.This ex street fighter still has some spunk.:cool:
 
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In a new place how do u know so and so is an Aresehole and what are the things u look for in a person to call him an arsehole? Just wondering.people can easily misunderstand others and for example -In one USA city there was this pool room which was a rough place. I sensed that People in that room were acting different towards me and some people used leave the place as soon as I walk in and I did not know why. without me asking, One day the bar tender of the pool room told me that no one liked me there because they all thought I was a thief.That is the word he used in describing me.The truth is that I am anything but a thief.

People who know me don`t mess with me.people who don`t know me will mess with me only to regret for messing with me. I can go to any place in USA and can play anyone I want to.my favorite places are redneck places.This ex street fighter still has some spunk.:cool:

Good question. I talk to everyone the same way. I am friendly and outgoing. I buy drinks for strangers and offer to play anyone for fun. I basically judge them by their reaction to me. If they are rude, they get no action.

I also usually get a pretty good rundown on the local players from the owner or a casual player I run into. If a guy seems really nice to me, and he tells me that so-and-so is an A-hole, I believe him. I am not an A-hole in return, but I just steer clear of betting with them until I believe otherwise.

Gambling to me is pure entertainment, nothing else. I make a good living and have friends all over the country because I refuse to let money get in the way.

I have played people who I thought were cool, beat them, and they turned into an A-hole. If there are any problems, they can keep their cash and F*** off. I am just done with them.

I never judge a book by it's cover though. I can prove it, I am friends with Beav:D.
 
they can keep their cash and F*** off. I am just done with them.
I can prove it, I am friends with Beav:D.

you seem to have a very good attitude.I met you once and I liked you. I consider you as my friend. Beav? u mean Beav.A ?:cool:
 
Betting in bars is a bad idea. They are there for the drink not the pool. I almost got my ass kicked by a guy and his friend (friend was built like Rampage Jackson) over a $5 bet that HE proposed to me AFTER I beat each of them. As I took his $5 off the table and turned to shake his hand he threatened me. I packed up my cue and offered to buy him a drink and he said to just leave. With no further discussion I left.

The very next night, directly across the street at the pool hall, I took $600 from a guy who I was giving 3 games in a race to 7 in 9-ball. He payed me the cash and wanted to know when we were going to shoot again.

Best advice I can give is play someone who you've seen lose before. That'll give you an idea of what you'll be dealing with if you beat him.

Dave
 
When the fight is unavoidable ...look up and point saying " we can't fight in here, can't you read that sign ? " When they look up .... well you get the idea..lol
 
The second I hear someone talking loud I am on alert. They don't have to be getting in someone's face, or starting trouble....just talking loud. If it escalates from there I pack up and leave. There has been more than one occasion where I left and the shooting started 15 minutes later.

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I've always lived by the rule my Dad gave me when I was a lil kid. He told me to never start a fight and never walk away from one. The last one I got into was over 11 years ago. I had to go to court because of it for a year and a half. I found out that it was well worth it when my buddy's doctor told him that I saved his life when 6 guys jumped him and his girlfriend for no reason. Long story short, 6 guys on me, they called the cops on me, all 6 were on probation/parole, 3 had warrants for their arrest and I somehow came out with a fingernail scratch on my neck.
 
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you seem to have a very good attitude.I met you once and I liked you. I consider you as my friend. Beav? u mean Beav.A ?:cool:

Yeah, I enjoyed hanging out with you. Vegas right? You are a sharp dressing man!

The Beav I was referring to is the guy from Ohio who hooked up with the Sea Cow in Reno at the bar table tournament last year. Beav99for life!
 
Along the lines of the recent thread on road players, what are some of your rules or guidelines for avoiding trouble?

make it a point to reach for something high enough to lift your shirt so everyone can see your burner tucked in your waste band!
 
Just a quick heads up here. Think twice before taking a gun into a bar or poolhall. Even if you have a concealed carry permit from your local Sheriff, most counties don't allow firearms in those places.
Carrying a concealed weapon is a felony in almost all states, and the use of a concealed weapon in the commission of a felony means you'll do more time on the hard road. Guns and knives both.
The best advice on this thread is don't gamble with drunks, mental defects, or some loudmouth buttwipe out to impress his girlfriend.
 
A fight is just another obstacle in life!

The older i get the less obstacles I like in my path...but if one winds up in the road then it's just another speed bump to get over.
 
A long time ago, a guy that tought me all the basics of pool said, "You can take a guy's money, but never take his pride."

This has served me well over the years although, I have found myself in sticky situations more than once. I grew up playing in local back woods bars. Mostly small weekly 8-ball tournaments. Me and my good friend would go on what we called "the bar tour". Each tournament was worth a couple hundred with the calcutta. We split everything. There were 3-4 a week. That was good money when you are in school.

Anyhow, a quick story. Like Jay said, cheap 8 ball gets you in more trouble than anything else. Me and my buddy were at one of these tournaments one night. I happen to win and the guy I beat in the finals played OK but not good by most people's standards. He was a really big "pulp wood hauler" (if your from the south, you know the type) that had way too much to drink. He asked me after the tournament if I wanted to play 20$ a game. Against my better judgement and some urging from my friend, I said OK. I broke the balls and the cue ball was rolling toward the corner and I put my hand in and caught it. He said "YOU JUST LOST. You cant touch the cue ball". So he grabbed the money off the light and the argument ensued. I should have just let him keep it but my bad temper took over (I was sober. I dont drink while playing). He bowed up and was ready to fight. The whole bar was looking at us, owner included. They loved a good bar fight so nobody was going to stop it. The guy brought his cue back like a bat. At that very moment fight vs. flight took over and I hit him with everything I had. He crumbled and I started kicking him in and around the head. I knew if he got up, I was done for. For some reason, one of the guys at the bar jumped in and started wrestling with the guy after he came to. I had already made my way to the door. I came back the next week and they said that the guy was banned and that it got really ugly after I left. He had jumped in his car after they threw him out and rammed a couple other vehicles in the parking lot. I never saw that guy again thank God.
 
Gambling and alcohol don't mix. I've had more problems playing $3 Eight Ball in a bar (got a knife pulled on me) than playing $500 sets in a poolroom. The best way I've found to deal with bad situations is to show no fear. If they sense fear it's like a shark and blood. The best weapon you have is your tongue. Say the right thing at the right time and you can defuse most any situation. It's just knowing the right thing to say.

A guy called me a hustler once. My response was, "Just like you then." Another guy didn't want to pay (a $50 set). I looked him in the eye and told him that if I lose I pay, and I expect to be paid if I win. No threats, just a statement of fact. It was in his poolroom with all his buddies watching. I embarrassed him into paying me. Every situation's different.

One time in Oklahoma I won a little money (something like $80) in a bar and a guy blocked the door on me. He was at least a head taller than me. I walked right up to him (he looked surprised) and pushed him out of the way. I dashed out the door and down the street as fast as my little legs would carry me. I only looked back one time and there were three guys chasing me. They gave up after a block or so. I circled back to my car and got away. Yes, I will run if need be.

I don't like to say this, but I also carried a piece when I went into strange poolrooms by myself. I got beat up once pretty bad and I wasn't about to let it happen again. I don't recommend this but I'm not a big guy. And I damn sure can't fight two or three guys.

One other important thing I forgot to add. When I went into a strange bar or poolroom, I would look around for the biggest, baddest looking guy in the joint. I would then go out of my way to befriend him before ever making a game. I wanted him on my side. That helped me out a couple of times. I was in a bad spot in a bar in Bakersfield once, playing some guy forty a game Eight Ball. There was at least a hundred a game bet on the side. This was early 70's. I had gotten friendly with the bartender before the game ever started. When thing began to get ugly (for me), he came out from behind the bar and cooled the hot heads out. He saved my ass that night and I knew it. His name was Johnny Ingram and we became friends after that. P.S. He was betting on me too. That helped. :wink:

Sage advice. Save for the part you being little and carrying a piece. I too wouldn't reccommend it, but I did the same thing, and I'm 6' 4" and weigh 250 lbs. When 3 or 4 "buddys" want to help get the friends money back the piece is a great equalizer.........
 
Of course it is a crime to report a crime when there is none. If you make the call from your cell phone-they will find you if they want to.

If you call and say you feel threatened,they will send an officer out and you are not reporting a crime.Remember they are there to protect & serve.LOL
 
Betting in bars is a bad idea. They are there for the drink not the pool. I almost got my ass kicked by a guy and his friend (friend was built like Rampage Jackson) over a $5 bet that HE proposed to me AFTER I beat each of them. As I took his $5 off the table and turned to shake his hand he threatened me. I packed up my cue and offered to buy him a drink and he said to just leave. With no further discussion I left.

The very next night, directly across the street at the pool hall, I took $600 from a guy who I was giving 3 games in a race to 7 in 9-ball. He payed me the cash and wanted to know when we were going to shoot again.

Best advice I can give is play someone who you've seen lose before. That'll give you an idea of what you'll be dealing with if you beat him.

Dave

That's actually some good advice and that's the downside of grabbing the low hanging fruit in bars.
 
make it a point to reach for something high enough to lift your shirt so everyone can see your burner tucked in your waste band!

Not to get all serious on you, but if you do that you'd better hope somebody doesn't take it away from you and use it on you. Approximately 10% of police officers who die in the line of duty are killed with their own gun.

I'm not arguing for or against carrying a gun, I carried one for years but you have to remember that every conflict you engage in will be an armed conflict because you are bringing a gun into the situation.
 
There's a natural pecking order in all aspects of life !

Whether it's Fighting,pool or any other sport...anywhere from money to chasing women...Most guys that start crap over a few dollars wagered on a pool game only do so to guys that might be better than them on the pool table but a lil lower in the pecking order in the tough guy area...so if they lose at pool they twist it to feel like they still have the edge over the guy...Most real tough guys you never have to worry about unless you cross the line...They are hardly ever the ones that go out looking for a fight but will go out and fight for a hour in the parking lot if somebody crosses the line...every so called tough guy where i'm from i'm best of friends with & most are all friends with each other...just from mutual respect...Just like pool players...NOBODY goes out there way for super tough action..same as in fighting...there's a few exceptions to the rule but you can bank on it having almost a 99% rate if you do the figures...Even Ole Bartam if you read his post about the old days you can tell that he enjoyed the old days when it was much easier action to make a living at the game...He has to play tough games now or just hardly play....just my 2 cents on the subject..lol


Ps...Even the best MMA fighters in the world have respect for whoever they step in the ring with...you'd hardly ever here of these guys getting in a barfight with each other...but in the quest to be the best & the money & perks that come with it..It makes the risk to reward a no brainer.
 
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