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bowhunter

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I'm considering selling a Brunswick gold crown I or II, not sure if it's a GC 1 or 2, the sides are a salmon color - does this help? It came out of a local pool hall in upstate NY. It's 100% original, I was told it was made in the the mid 1960's, I would rate overall condition to be good to very good. One problem though, one of the pieces of slate is broken in half. I played on this table with the broken slate and it doesn't effect the play - the person that set the table up glued the slate together and I never knew it was broken. My question for everyone is what is this table worth? The table is currently dismantled and in storage.

thanks
 
I have seen GC2 & GC3's go for $1k-$1.5k and GC1's go for $1.5k-$2k prior to restoration but in playable condition. This is with complete intact parts. I'm sure that even though its playable, the damaged slate would affect value. How much? I have no idea.
 
I would snatch it up for 1000, probably would not pay any more with the slate. They are great tables and a proficient mechanic should be able to fix the slate with no issues.

Always missing my GC2...

Ian
 
In all reality, it's only worth about $500;) you guys are real charitable:D by the time you've paid for it, and got it into todays playing condition, if you buy at $1,000 plus....you'll be into it about $3,000 by the time you're done.

Glen
 
I think the answere lies in the middle $750 with out seeing it, and with set up delivery the whole bit $2500. Glen is a little happy tonight:p so forgive him saying $3,000:p;). It might be $3,000 if your shipping it to the west coast, but on a 500 mile range-$2500 and its a GREAT box and will last forever cept recovering it from time to time.
 
Fatboy said:
I think the answere lies in the middle $750 with out seeing it, and with set up delivery the whole bit $2500. Glen is a little happy tonight:p so forgive him saying $3,000:p;). It might be $3,000 if your shipping it to the west coast, but on a 500 mile range-$2500 and its a GREAT box and will last forever cept recovering it from time to time.
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Keep in mind fatboy, GC1's don't have real slate...it's Brunstone, so good luck repairing that one, even if it's repaired with superglue, chances are the slates are swayback and can't be corrected...so that's a slate replacement;)

Glen
 
4 GC 1 sold here locally last week for 750.00 each.. most I would give for this particular one with the broke slate is 500-600, tops
 
What state is the table located?

bowhunter said:
I'm considering selling a Brunswick gold crown I or II, not sure if it's a GC 1 or 2, the sides are a salmon color - does this help? It came out of a local pool hall in upstate NY. It's 100% original, I was told it was made in the the mid 1960's, I would rate overall condition to be good to very good. One problem though, one of the pieces of slate is broken in half. I played on this table with the broken slate and it doesn't effect the play - the person that set the table up glued the slate together and I never knew it was broken. My question for everyone is what is this table worth? The table is currently dismantled and in storage.

thanks
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How much do you want for it??
 
ftgokie said:
4 GC 1 sold here locally last week for 750.00 each.. most I would give for this particular one with the broke slate is 500-600, tops
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30 to 40 years of comercial service takes it toll on the rails as well, so a lot of that price also depends on the condition of the top rail formica, as to whether or not the pockets were mounted in correctly...or NAILED in like the ones I just got done rebuilding.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Keep in mind fatboy, GC1's don't have real slate...it's Brunstone, so good luck repairing that one, even if it's repaired with superglue, chances are the slates are swayback and can't be corrected...so that's a slate replacement;)

Glen
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yup-your right it is a replacment, i was wrong. Someday i'm gonna get cha:thumbup:
 
realkingcobra said:
Keep in mind fatboy, GC1's don't have real slate...it's Brunstone, so good luck repairing that one, even if it's repaired with superglue, chances are the slates are swayback and can't be corrected...so that's a slate replacement;)

Glen
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I found a GCI in amazing shape. It has Brunstone slates. Are you saying most Brunstone are swayback? What's the percentage?
 
realkingcobra said:
Keep in mind fatboy, GC1's don't have real slate...it's Brunstone, so good luck repairing that one, even if it's repaired with superglue, chances are the slates are swayback and can't be corrected...so that's a slate replacement;)

Glen
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Not to be too much of a nit picker here, but I have owned several
GCIs that had slate that was very real. I assume they were among the
earlier examples.

My guess is Brunswick went to the sidewalk quality playing surface
in the late 60s as a cost-cutting measure.

FWIW - I never met anyone who could tell the difference by playing
on the table.

Also, if you are clever - you can get the pockets down to as
small as 4 1/2, or even a hair smaller without the dreaded shims.

Dale<those were the days>
 
pdcue said:
Not to be too much of a nit picker here, but I have owned several
GCIs that had slate that was very real. I assume they were among the
earlier examples.

My guess is Brunswick went to the sidewalk quality playing surface
in the late 60s as a cost-cutting measure.

FWIW - I never met anyone who could tell the difference by playing
on the table.

Also, if you are clever - you can get the pockets down to as
small as 4 1/2, or even a hair smaller without the dreaded shims.

Dale<those were the days>
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GC1's were not sold with anything other than Brunstone, or Bluestone....check on it;) Only the LATE GC2's started coming out with real slate, then from the mid GC3's and on all had real slate.

Clever...is not playing with the pocket castings as that also changes the playing surface making it smaller...and even adjusting the rails in on the corner pocket castings won't change the miter bevels of the pockets....in which on a lot of GC's is not the same on both sides of a corner pocket. Extra shims is not the way to go either to tighten the pockets, extending the rails is;)

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Keep in mind fatboy, GC1's don't have real slate...it's Brunstone, so good luck repairing that one, even if it's repaired with superglue, chances are the slates are swayback and can't be corrected...so that's a slate replacement;)

Glen
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Glen ,what is Brunstone? does it play as good as slate? Thanks for your input.



H.P.
 
realkingcobra said:
GC1's were not sold with anything other than Brunstone, or Bluestone....check on it;) Only the LATE GC2's started coming out with real slate, then from the mid GC3's and on all had real slate.

Clever...is not playing with the pocket castings as that also changes the playing surface making it smaller...and even adjusting the rails in on the corner pocket castings won't change the miter bevels of the pockets....in which on a lot of GC's is not the same on both sides of a corner pocket. Extra shims is not the way to go either to tighten the pockets, extending the rails is;)

Glen
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Where are you getting your information?

IIRC - Bluestone came along in the days of the GCIII - and they
wouldn't let you specify slate, even at a higher price.

Perhaps that was a Whirlitzer(sp?) decision, as they
had been making the tables for quite some time by then.

Perhaps you might want to rethink saying the playing surface
( I assume you ment area) is smaller. I never moved the railbolt holes
in the slate.

Only variation on sides of a corner pocket I have ever seen was
the result of owners too penny wise and pound foolish to maintain
facings, so they got pounded down by wear.

I am now well into my 22 year of searching for someone who doesn't
understand extending the cushions is the better way.

Dale<who knows slate when he sees it>
 
pdcue said:
Where are you getting your information?

IIRC - Bluestone came along in the days of the GCIII - and they
wouldn't let you specify slate, even at a higher price.

Perhaps that was a Whirlitzer(sp?) decision, as they
had been making the tables for quite some time by then.

Perhaps you might want to rethink saying the playing surface
( I assume you ment area) is smaller. I never moved the railbolt holes
in the slate.

Only variation on sides of a corner pocket I have ever seen was
the result of owners too penny wise and pound foolish to maintain
facings, so they got pounded down by wear.

I am now well into my 22 year of searching for someone who doesn't
understand extending the cushions is the better way.

Dale<who knows slate when he sees it>
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Dale...I'm going to say this one time...all them GC1's, 2's, and 3's you've ever seen that had the sloped back slate pocket cuts were not slate. They were either Brunstone or Bluestone. I've made my living for the last 26 years working as a table mechanic...I think I know what I'm talking about.


And what in the heck are you talking about with this 22 years of searching for someone who doesn't understand extending the cushions is the better way?????...what is that suppose to mean???:confused:

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Keep in mind fatboy, GC1's don't have real slate...it's Brunstone, so good luck repairing that one, even if it's repaired with superglue, chances are the slates are swayback and can't be corrected...so that's a slate replacement;)

Glen
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There are at least several GC 1 tables at Bill Shick's in Shreveport, LA and those tables seem to roll better than any table I have ever played on. If it was Brunstone or Bluestone or slate, I don't know but they were EXCEPTIONAL. The mechanic said they were VERY heavy tables/slates and that was one of the factors that made them roll so well.

Can you comment on this?
Thanks,


JoeyA
 
I have a GC II...

pdcue said:
Where are you getting your information?

IIRC - Bluestone came along in the days of the GCIII - and they
wouldn't let you specify slate, even at a higher price.

Perhaps that was a Whirlitzer(sp?) decision, as they
had been making the tables for quite some time by then.

Perhaps you might want to rethink saying the playing surface
( I assume you ment area) is smaller. I never moved the railbolt holes
in the slate.

Only variation on sides of a corner pocket I have ever seen was
the result of owners too penny wise and pound foolish to maintain
facings, so they got pounded down by wear.

I am now well into my 22 year of searching for someone who doesn't
understand extending the cushions is the better way.

Dale<who knows slate when he sees it>
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I have a GC II and it has Bluestone. It also had a valley in one slate.
 
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JoeyA said:
There are at least several GC 1 tables at Bill Shick's in Shreveport, LA and those tables seem to roll better than any table I have ever played on. If it was Brunstone or Bluestone or slate, I don't know but they were EXCEPTIONAL. The mechanic said they were VERY heavy tables/slates and that was one of the factors that made them roll so well.

Can you comment on this?
Thanks,


JoeyA
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Joey, have you checked out my "Before & After" thread?...I'm working on GC1's & 2's right now;) Brunswick couldn't get slate at the time after WWll, they had shut down their mining of slate in the USA, and Italy wasn't on the market at the time for producing pool table slate. Brunstone which is a sandstone was in use before the GC1 series of tables came out, it was used on the later models of Anniversary tables, Sportsman, Sport Kings, and Centennials as well. The problem with the Brunstone is that if it wasn't flat across the surface, "swayback" side to side, unlike "slate" it was very hard to level out, because of it being so brittle it would crack very easy. Now, if the Brunstone was in fact flat across the surface, it did provide a very good, level playing surface, but GC1's better than todays real slate GC's...Diamonds...using real slate?? The reputation of how well a table played from back in that time frame really had nothing to do with the manufacture of the table, as the GC1's that you're referring to...were the same GC1's all over the country....even right here where I'm working at...Malarkey's Pool & Brew, in Tacoma, WA. As far as weight goes, slate weighs more than Brunstone, but if you take a look at the weights of the GC series of tables, they all weigh within 30 lbs of each other, from the GC1's right up through the GC5's.;)

Glen
 
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