player says to calcutta bidder he will lay down

JoeyA said:
It looks like you are talking about the same tournament I played in this weekend as I did come in 3rd.

Tell your friend to come back any time. I was a little steamed at the owner for his past and current jubiliatory remarks. If he thought I would have layed down, he would have done something about. He and I have had heated "discussions" for years.

Tell your friend to bid on me any time. I am a competitor and don't lay down for anyone in spite of what I said. Sorry he didn't know the horse he was bidding on. Have him introduce himself to me next time and we will discuss the situation in front of BOTH OWNERS.

I am a no-playing, hot-headed dog but I always try to win. :p
JoeyA
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OMG they're talking about YOU, Joey?!??

First of all, I'd trip over myself to bid on Joey. Man, you must've really been pissed.
 
$TAKE HOR$E said:
If calcutta were wiped out you would be left with APA tournaments as most decent players go because the calcutta is where the money is. I was at a tournament over teh weekend where there was $14000 in the first calcutta and about $3500 in the second. There were no problems with anyone bidding and the higher the price got the more pumped up people were. For those who dont like them, dont go or dont buy back. One player I bought didnt buy back and I could have cared less, the last paid spot was $500 which would have been 5 to 1 on what I spent or even better 1st was $4300.
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Exactly.

Tap Tap Tap

Ken
 
Luxury said:
I don't think there was a justifiable reason. But everybody makes mistakes. I doubt it will happen again.
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Agreed. I like joey's postings, but I think his actions in this one wasn't honorable in spite of the intent. Flame the owner in other ways, but not the other innocent bystanders.
 
DocHutch said:
I would like to vouch for JoeyA. He is very competative, respectable, and honest. For him to say/do what happened, there was a reason.
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Thanks Doc. I'm glad to know you as well. It's far too easy to pass judgement on someone when you don't know them or know all of the facts. To say that my outburst was unfair to the newbie is an understatement. Sorry he got caught in the cross fire.


Luxury said:
I don't think there was a justifiable reason. But everybody makes mistakes. I doubt it will happen again.
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I hope it never happens again. It was bad behavior on my part but as I said if you needle me I am subject to throw a harpoon back at you. It's just too bad that my aim was so far off on the target.

SpiderWebComm said:
OMG they're talking about YOU, Joey?!??

First of all, I'd trip over myself to bid on Joey. Man, you must've really been pissed.
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That's an understatement. :o

TorranceChris said:
Agreed. I like joey's postings, but I think his actions in this one wasn't honorable in spite of the intent. Flame the owner in other ways, but not the other innocent bystanders.
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Thanks Chris. My actions weren't honorable and I never suggested that they were. My actions were a simple, angry, human response and I'm sorry an innocent bystander got hit. I'm not perfect :o but we all make mistakes. I'll try to improve my aim on the table and off.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
Thanks Doc. I'm glad to know you as well. It's far too easy to pass judgement on someone when you don't know them or know all of the facts. To say that my outburst was unfair to the newbie is an understatement. Sorry he got caught in the cross fire.



I hope it never happens again. It was bad behavior on my part but as I said if you needle me I am subject to throw a harpoon back at you. It's just too bad that my aim was so far off on the target.

That's an understatement. :o



Thanks Chris. My actions weren't honorable and I never suggested that they were. My actions were a simple, angry, human response and I'm sorry an innocent bystander got hit. I'm not perfect :o but we all make mistakes. I'll try to improve my aim on the table and off.

JoeyA
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Good enough for me. I have done my share as well. Thankfully, they never made it to the forum! :cool:
 
Do away with the calcutta, and do away with ALL the problems.

Why some people are just incapable of understanding that, i will never understand.
 
Most don't agree with me, but if you want to have a great tournament in your room, You MUST have a calcutta. The Most inportant part of that calcutta is protecting the people that bid on the players. The tournament is NOT about taking care of the players wants and needs. The players need to accept that they might sell for more than they like, but that's part of it. If you're running a tournament and have several people that will jack the calcutta up, You had better protect those bidders and if the players try to manipulate the calcutta, refund their entry money and show them the door.

To illustrate my point, several years ago, we had a local $5 entry race to 3, 9-ball tourny on bar tables. It probably averaged 50-60 players every week. Total 1st place money was always at least $1500. The main reason was one individual that made lots of money bootlegging and he loved pool and loved to gamble. He would stimulate the other calcutta players and it was on then. This gentleman got his "beer store" shut down and his funds started drying up. The tournament attendance dropped to less than 20 players and you're lucky to get back $200 for first place.

Give me 6 strong calcutta players and I don't care what caliber of pool players I have, The tournament will be a success. THE CALCUTTA PLAYERS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF A SUCCESSFUL TOURNAMENT. Get those people at your tournament and comp them with free food, drinks, etc. Take care of them.

Allow a no working POS pool player or any other person to manipulate your calcutta or any other part of your business and you might as well shut the doors now rather than prolong the agony. Sorry for the rant.
 
I remembered this story from Mike Janis before he got banned.

Anyway, Jack wins the event. During the payouts I always pay the players their money and the auction buyers their money separate. While doing this Jack and the buyer start arguing. It appears that the guy bought Jack for about $500 in the auction and during the 2nd match (I only learned of this much later) Jack tells the guy he has to give him 1/2 of the winning from the auction or he was dumping his next 2 matches. The guy agreed and now we are at the payout table with these guys arguing. The guy doesn't mind giving Jack the 1/2 of the Auction monies but he wants Jack to combine the whole shabang Tourney +Auction monies and split it 50/50. Jack argues for a while then agrees. Now here's the beautiful part. Jack convinces the guy to give Jack all the money to do the chop. What a mistake on the other guys part. Jack distracts the other guy for a second by yelling at somebody behind the other guy, when he turns around to look at who Jack is yelling at Jack BOLTS out the door with all the cash.

Jack has never played in another Viking Tour event since then. He was the 1st player to earn a lifetime ban from my tour.

Prior to that he played in the 2 previous events and also won both of them. The win in Huntington was his 3rd in a row on the Viking tour that month.

 
Hey joey i seen your post and now i better understand what was going on that day. For me it was the first tournament i attend at that place, first time my buddy or i have ever seen you... Wont stop me from going back. All said and done it was a good tournament needs more people and money..... My intent was not to even put your name out there, looks like you can handle it anyway..lol
 
COREYGT1977 said:
Hey joey i seen your post and now i better understand what was going on that day. For me it was the first tournament i attend at that place, first time my buddy or i have ever seen you... Wont stop me from going back. All said and done it was a good tournament needs more people and money..... My intent was not to even put your name out there, looks like you can handle it anyway..lol
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Not to worry. It's all good.

I make mistakes and own up to them.

I'll just have to find another way to pay the owner back.

Maybe I should start gambling with him again. Oh, wait, I did gamble with him about two months ago. He barked at me and said I wasn't more than five or six years older than him and that he would bet a hundred dollars on it. He dropped the hundred dollar bill on the table waiting for me to post mine and I almost broke a finger getting mine to the table. That's just the most recent "episode" with he and I. Thanks for not mentioning the pool room or the owner's name. I might not appreicate the way he treats me abd I'll continue to give him hell at every chance but I respect the fact that he is a working man and not a parasite on society.

BTW,
I wouldn't recognize you or your friend if you walked up to me tomorrow so when you do come back,and we meet, please make sure you remind me about the thread.:grin:

JoeyA
 
sliprock said:
Most don't agree with me, but if you want to have a great tournament in your room, You MUST have a calcutta. The Most inportant part of that calcutta is protecting the people that bid on the players. The tournament is NOT about taking care of the players wants and needs. The players need to accept that they might sell for more than they like, but that's part of it. If you're running a tournament and have several people that will jack the calcutta up, You had better protect those bidders and if the players try to manipulate the calcutta, refund their entry money and show them the door.

To illustrate my point, several years ago, we had a local $5 entry race to 3, 9-ball tourny on bar tables. It probably averaged 50-60 players every week. Total 1st place money was always at least $1500. The main reason was one individual that made lots of money bootlegging and he loved pool and loved to gamble. He would stimulate the other calcutta players and it was on then. This gentleman got his "beer store" shut down and his funds started drying up. The tournament attendance dropped to less than 20 players and you're lucky to get back $200 for first place.

Give me 6 strong calcutta players and I don't care what caliber of pool players I have, The tournament will be a success. THE CALCUTTA PLAYERS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF A SUCCESSFUL TOURNAMENT. Get those people at your tournament and comp them with free food, drinks, etc. Take care of them.

Allow a no working POS pool player or any other person to manipulate your calcutta or any other part of your business and you might as well shut the doors now rather than prolong the agony. Sorry for the rant.
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LOL. So the tournament isn't about the pool players. The tournament is about the guys participating in the calcutta, and the calcutta is the only thing in the universe that matters?

If you say so. :)

Toss all people on the sidelines that think they own a player like a slave or a piece of property because they bought them in the calcutta, out the door.

Personally, i would like to see top players forfeit their matches ALL THE TIME and cost the people who go nuts in the calcutta every friggin dime they have to their name, till it gets so ridiculous, that the guys go somewhere else to get their gambling fix, and never ever utter the word calcutta EVER AGAIN.

LOL. Calcutta bidders having rights over the players. That's the most insane thing i've ever heard.
 
what percentage of top players would stop playing in tournys...if calcuttas were cut out? this is for you superstar.....when a tourny adds 1000 dollars to the pot but first place only pays out 600 to 1000 dollars...however the calcutta pays out 4 to 6000 for first....why do you think so many players come to the bigger tournys to play in them? is it because they want to gamble? is it because the want to travel a 1000 miles for a chance at 600 to 1000? maybe all gambling should be stoped also? because there is so much money in playing pro....and by going pro your matches up are so easy because everyone knows how you play...come on if you dont like them dont go to tournys that have them...maybe they should stop playing tournys? and calcutta biders have just as much rights as the player.....THAT IS WHY THE HAVE THE CHANCE TO BUY 50%....
 
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SUPERSTAR said:
LOL. So the tournament isn't about the pool players. The tournament is about the guys participating in the calcutta, and the calcutta is the only thing in the universe that matters?

If you say so. :)

Toss all people on the sidelines that think they own a player like a slave or a piece of property because they bought them in the calcutta, out the door.

Personally, i would like to see top players forfeit their matches ALL THE TIME and cost the people who go nuts in the calcutta every friggin dime they have to their name, till it gets so ridiculous, that the guys go somewhere else to get their gambling fix, and never ever utter the word calcutta EVER AGAIN.

LOL. Calcutta bidders having rights over the players. That's the most insane thing i've ever heard.
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Got to say I agree with Superstar. Want to know why pool will NEVER become anything more than it is today? Just read the whole thread and pay close attention to all of the "adventures". You think they have these issues in golf? Nope. And if a guy doesn't want to travel to play in a tournament without a calcutta, so be it. Let him take up poker. Or hang out with the Mrs.

Bob
 
tattoo said:
what percentage of top players would stop playing in tournys...if calcuttas were cut out? this is for you superstar.....when a tourny adds 1000 dollars to the pot but first place only pays out 600 to 1000 dollars...however the calcutta pays out 4 to 6000 for first....why do you think so many players come to the bigger tournys to play in them? is it because they want to gamble? is it because the want to travel a 1000 miles for a chance at 600 to 1000? maybe all gambling should be stoped also? because there is so much money in playing pro....and by going pro your matches up are so easy because everyone knows how you play...come on if you dont like them dont go to tournys that have them...maybe they should stop playing tournys? and calcutta biders have just as much rights as the player.....THAT IS WHY THE HAVE THE CHANCE TO BUY 50%....
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I don't care how many of them would or wouldn't stop playing.

No one BUT the pool player, should have say in if they can quit a tournament for whatever reason.
Barring professional contracts with TV etc etc, it is up to the pool player to do whatever the heck it is he wants to do, after he has paid his entry fee.
If the guy bidding in the calcutta loses money on the deal because a player didn't feel like waking up on day 3 of an event and forfeits. TOUGH $#!T.

No one is going to tell me what i can and can't do in a tournament, in terms of playing or forfeiting, after i pay my entry fee.
If it's the tournament director who tries to tell me that i can't quit and must play because of a calcutta that he is taking a percentage out of, REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS OR NOT, i will crack my cue over his head in an instant cause that is the biggest bunch of BS around.

Screw calcuttas, and screw people who think that they are entitled to have them.
I am so sick and tired of hearing how some dude on the sidelines got bent because of something that a player did or didn't do.

It's not that the players shouldn't go to tournaments that have calcuttas, but as far as i am concerned, for all the guys that bid in calcuttas, BUY AT YOUR OWN RISK.
If you don't like that statement, STOP BIDDING!!!!
 
doitforthegame said:
Got to say I agree with Superstar. Want to know why pool will NEVER become anything more than it is today? Just read the whole thread and pay close attention to all of the "adventures". You think they have these issues in golf? Nope. And if a guy doesn't want to travel to play in a tournament without a calcutta, so be it. Let him take up poker. Or hang out with the Mrs.

Bob
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WHERE SHOULD POOL BE? either you play pool for a living or you have a reg job to support you pool.....everyone complains about the way pool is well then do something about it.....we need all the people who have problems with the way pool.....get them toghether and figure out what would make them HAPPY...pool is fine the way it is...however i have a reg job and support my pool habit that way...
 
superstar i agree with you at buy at your own risk.....but i dont fill that they should be cut out....there should be some kinda of mutual respect from buyer and player...and if one of them gets out of line then all deals are off....
 
tattoo said:
WHERE SHOULD POOL BE? either you play pool for a living or you have a reg job to support you pool.....everyone complains about the way pool is well then do something about it.....we need all the people who have problems with the way pool.....get them toghether and figure out what would make them HAPPY...pool is fine the way it is...however i have a reg job and support my pool habit that way...
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I already tried making a living at pool.....twice....let me tell you, it is really, really tough. Anyway, I just don't like the element that comes with the calcutta's. Pool is loaded with whiners. This just gives them something else to whine about.
 
tattoo said:
superstar i agree with you at buy at your own risk.....but i dont fill that they should be cut out....there should be some kinda of mutual respect from buyer and player...and if one of them gets out of line then all deals are off....
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There should only be players in a tournament and no leeches who want to make a buck off the pool players talent, who then think they have the right to complain when things don't go their way.

Leave the pool player alone, and get rid of calcuttas.
THAT way, all problems about bidding, and dumping cause you are jacking the price up, and calcutta business deal/steals, are all flushed down the toilet into non existence.

This thread wouldn't have even happened if the OP's buddy didn't have a calcutta to bid on.
It stops the aggression by angry bidders, and it stops the aggression by angry players. And it leaves everyone alone so that the players can do what they came there for, and PLAY F-ING POOL!!!

Someone wants to get into action, make some side bets on matches or something between other people, but leave the players out of it.
OR, just take whoever you would take in the first blind bid, and put him up against someone else's 1st blind bid and stake the action.
OTHERWISE, sit down, buy a sandwich, and WATCH THE TOURNAMENT!
 
Hey Corey

Hey Corey,
Welcome to AZ.I don't see too many local players any more since
Q-balls closed.I guess I need to venture out of town some anyway.
Mke L.
 
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