If I was promoting major pool tournaments!

[realkingcobra]

Glen,
Don't waste your time dealing with "the machine", he is only trying to incite anger in people and enjoys name calling and belittling people... The more you play his game, the more influential he thinks he is. He made some valid points in regards to small local tourneys, but his style of writing shows that he feels he is talking down to everyone here, and I personally feel he is just trying to generate a reaction. Afterall, an angry reaction is better than none - so, just ignore him and he'll go away.

That said, good luck with whatever you plan to do... I like some of the points you've made (I haven't gone back and read the whole thread again this morning, although I have read it several days ago). We share some similar thoughts for possible ideas...

I'm fairly certain you are the person I think you are, and that we've met before. Yeah, I'm bad with names... and your avatar doesn't ring a bell

Anyhow, just wanted to wish you luck with whatever you choose to do. Everyone is entitled to a plan and a dream, and to openly discuss whatever they choose.

And machine, you can save your time... I won't reply to anything you write trying to denigrate what I have had to say or me as a person, which is your most likely line of attack. I advise everyone else to do the same until the almighty machine can just write without acting so omniscient about the entire world of pool.

Yes, I'm that guy that set your dad's Diamond up

 

[mikeyfrost]

Yesterday was 420 so I get a lot of the posts that were made. Good luck Glen, I hope it all takes off. Your testing concept sounds pretty cool, gotta figure out a way to test consistency. Maybe run your tests over multiple days so someone on a heater doesn't slip into the big bucks! Interesting thread for sure.

P.S. Why did "The Machine" get banned? Didn't seem like he was out of line, just disagrees with your vision. That doesn't make him a bad guy right?

 

[realkingcobra]

If everyone that wanted to take part in this world event had to take a test first to see where they qualify, and the test consisted of 200 stokes, excluding the break, how many balls would a person bank by the end of them 200 strokes..........or how many strokes does it take to bank 50 balls within 2 hours? My way of thinking, is that you'd have a total separation of players to the point that if you drew a line under the top 128 highest banking scores...you'd have defined the "Pro's" of the world for this event, and all those that fell short would fall in place on the skill ladder as "Semi-Pro"..."Advanced"..."Amateur"...and would play for a world championship accordingly

Glen

Personally, I like the idea of banking to 50 balls, because if 2 players banked 50 balls with the same amount of strokes, you'd still be able to break the tie with the time it took to do it, as the chances of both players finishing up at the same time would be almost impossible.

 

[allen_jr]

Yes, I'm that guy that set your dad's Diamond up

That's what I thought

I remember more from the points of your conversation than from your first name - sorry about that!

I also remember you moved that thing by yourself... and it's a one piece slate isn't it?

 

[realkingcobra]

That's what I thought

I remember more from the points of your conversation than from your first name - sorry about that!

I also remember you moved that thing by yourself... and it's a one piece slate isn't it?

Yep, all 1,230lbs of it When I get back up to NJ I'm going to be stopping by to see your dad, have a few things to talk to him about pool related

 

[realkingcobra]

Excellent thoughts justadub. Well said. Normally, I try and be diplomatic too. But this fellow has put me over the edge.lol

Twenty years working on this? So, what we see it in about another 50?

Fortune 500? LOL. And fixing pool tables? LOL. Ever hear of a billionaire who took on the pool world? Then couldn't pay Efren?

I will say it outright. I think you are an idiot. And, I think you are probably really happy and stoned today on 4/20. End of ridiculous discussion for me.

"The poorest man is not the one with less than a nickel in his pocket, it is the man that has no dreams"

Glen

 

[realkingcobra]

Let me give you all some food for thought. Say we straightened out the "Pro's" of this industry, and put them in a category all by themselves, and are now looking to sponsor this sport even more, to bring it up to a much higher level of income, and open the doors to more "Pro" events, I'd look at a toilet paper manufacture for sponsorship, because with a name brand company like "Scott Paper Products" that manufactures paper towels, toilet paper and much more, the logo of "Official Support" on their products for sale would increase the sale of their products over that of the competitor, and reward say .10 cents a roll toward "Pro" event sponsorship. Florida tried to pass a .10 cent a roll of tax to help with their revenue shortfall, and it was estimated that .10 cent a roll tax would bring in an additional...$50,000,000 a million a year in new taxes....but the tax payers voted it down, but what if.......... Think outside of the box, think outside of the billiards industry, think of how to make someone else money first....instead of holding out your hand and asking....give us money and we'll mention your name

Glen

 

[jay helfert]

Let me give you all some food for thought. Say we straightened out the "Pro's" of this industry, and put them in a category all by themselves, and are now looking to sponsor this sport even more, to bring it up to a much higher level of income, and open the doors to more "Pro" events, I'd look at a toilet paper manufacture for sponsorship, because with a name brand company like "Scott Paper Products" that manufactures paper towels, toilet paper and much more, the logo of "Official Support" on their products for sale would increase the sale of their products over that of the competitor, and reward say .10 cents a roll toward "Pro" event sponsorship. Florida tried to pass a .10 cent a roll of tax to help with their revenue shortfall, and it was estimated that .10 cent a roll tax would bring in an additional...$50,000,000 a million a year in new taxes....but the tax payers voted it down, but what if.......... Think outside of the box, think outside of the billiards industry, think of how to make someone else money first....instead of holding out your hand and asking....give us money and we'll mention your name

Glen

Are you trying to say that professional pool is in the toilet? :shakehead:
I think every player should get his own personal roll of toilet paper when he shows up at the tournament.
Kind of a momento to remember the sponsor at the most delicate of moments.

 

[realkingcobra]

Are you trying to say that professional pool is in the toilet? :shakehead:
I think every player should get his own personal roll of toilet paper when he shows up at the tournament.
Kind of a momento to remember the sponsor at the most delicate of moments.

You might just see Earl with two rolls, to dry his eyes with after he loses a match

Glen

 

[Rak9up]

"I have a dream"

Since everyone is dreaming here's mine.

BILLIARD GOLF

Have a talented table mechanic like king cobra design billiard courses using used billilard tables there all over craigslist(and cheap too).

It would combine 2 sports of a fan base twice the sponsership plus alot of money in golf currently.
It would be a win win for pool players since it would be played on a pool table using pool skills
like caroms, banks, jump shots over hazards plus add a new dimension
and excitment.
Designing new sticks for the game increases revenue for them also (win win win situation for all)
No need for a shot clock just 18 holes one winner lowest strokes plus you play the entire field not one bad draw or double elimination.

Tee off in groups of 4 everyone has a different ball(I get the the 3 ball cause I thought of it plus I like red) billiard golf would allow caroms off other players ball furtherst from the hole or pocket shoots first like golf.
Between using bumper table parts and real "normal" pockets it could be a blast plus different cloths also.

Plus it would be organized correctly right from the start( a lot of sponsership possibilies pus getting one sport from 2 fan bases could be huge.
It would bring a new life using skills from the game I love.
Plus I'd love to watch Earl Strickland "go off" when a player knocks him way away from the hole making his putt(shot).

 

[realkingcobra]

Since everyone is dreaming here's mine.

BILLIARD GOLF

Have a talented table mechanic like king cobra design billiard courses using used billilard tables there all over craigslist(and cheap too).

It would combine 2 sports of a fan base twice the sponsership plus alot of money in golf currently.
It would be a win win for pool players since it would be played on a pool table using pool skills
like caroms, banks, jump shots over hazards plus add a new dimension
and excitment.
Designing new sticks for the game increases revenue for them also (win win win situation for all)
No need for a shot clock just 18 holes one winner lowest strokes plus you play the entire field not one bad draw or double elimination.

Tee off in groups of 4 everyone has a different ball(I get the the 3 ball cause I thought of it plus I like red) billiard golf would allow caroms off other players ball furtherst from the hole or pocket shoots first like golf.
Between using bumper table parts and real "normal" pockets it could be a blast plus different cloths also.

Plus it would be organized correctly right from the start( a lot of sponsership possibilies pus getting one sport from 2 fan bases could be huge.
It would bring a new life using skills from the game I love.
Plus I'd love to watch Earl Strickland "go off" when a player knocks him way away from the hole making his putt(shot).

I'm with you on this one buddy....all you have to do now is find that King Cobra dude and sell him on your plans

Glen

 

[pooladdiction]

Glen, I'm totally with you. I'm curious though as to how you plan on getting these tournaments exposed? Tv, streaming, both? I just don't see a big sponsor signing up if their product is not exposed through broadcast somehow. A bit off topic, but I always thought the snooker world was overlooked. Once a year having a tournament with 3 different disciplines(snooker,9ball and 3 cushion as examples) to put the whole pool vs. Snooker arguement to rest while uniting the world of cue sports. I'm pulling for ya bro.

 

[Island Drive]

Since everyone is dreaming here's mine.

BILLIARD GOLF

Have a talented table mechanic like king cobra design billiard courses using used billilard tables there all over craigslist(and cheap too).

It would combine 2 sports of a fan base twice the sponsership plus alot of money in golf currently.
It would be a win win for pool players since it would be played on a pool table using pool skills
like caroms, banks, jump shots over hazards plus add a new dimension
and excitment.
Designing new sticks for the game increases revenue for them also (win win win situation for all)
No need for a shot clock just 18 holes one winner lowest strokes plus you play the entire field not one bad draw or double elimination.

Tee off in groups of 4 everyone has a different ball(I get the the 3 ball cause I thought of it plus I like red) billiard golf would allow caroms off other players ball furtherst from the hole or pocket shoots first like golf.
Between using bumper table parts and real "normal" pockets it could be a blast plus different cloths also.

Plus it would be organized correctly right from the start( a lot of sponsership possibilies pus getting one sport from 2 fan bases could be huge.
It would bring a new life using skills from the game I love.
Plus I'd love to watch Earl Strickland "go off" when a player knocks him way away from the hole making his putt(shot).

Outside the box as always:
On a similar note, there have been many classic run out situations that greats such as Varner have had at certain events over the years. You could have templates 18 to be specific, with table overlay inserts with holes marking the spots of all balls before the run out started, you could name each hole according to the event it came up in and have specific directions relating to ball placement etc. Here you would have a baseline' point that would give you the stroke count etc. you needed to create par as like in golf.
But if the Cobra is ever out in Colorado, he should look me up....I've never been in the Box....and I'm taller than a frig box too

 

[Rak9up]

Getting cobra started

Graphic didn't work
Showing how to use 2 tables with 6 pieces of slate

 

[realkingcobra]

Pioneering a new game of pool might be kind of fun, but at this point in time, I think I'd rather try and straighten out the game we already have, as opposed to throwing a new game into the mix

Glen

"Distractions only happen, when you lose sight of your goals"

 

[Jaden]

Glen, I think you may be on to something with this...however.

I have this way of looking at things, such as what's wrong, what's broke, what's not quite right, and what can be done to fix it. When I look at pool on a Professional level, I ask myself, what is it that defines a "Professional" pool player? If I hear of someone trying to promote a pool tournament billed as "Pro's" only...who decided who the "Pro's" are for that pool tournament?...or when a tournament is "No Pro's allowed"...who are they calling "Pro"? And in defining a "Pro", wouldn't it also make sense to define "Semi-Pro"? Isn't there some kind of line that should have to be crossed in order to be labeled a "Pro"? I don't think there is one pool player today that would object to having to take a skill level test in order to cross that line into the ranks of the "Pro's"...I think they'd support it 100% because for the first time in the history of this game....it would be looked at as a sport, because when the day comes that not just anyone can stand up and say...I'm a "Pro"....that day to me, will mean something. Instead, today we allow for the most part, anyone with an entry fee to play in pool tournaments because in order to raise money to make the pool tournaments more profitable for the winners...you need donations, but in creating a donation field of players, races to the finish line are backed off in order to give them "donors" a chance at the money as well as just about anyone else in the tournament, which to me is nothing more than a handicapping system in itself, because everyone knows the longer the race, the less chance the weaker player has of wining.

So, in all these years of this game of pool that we all so much love to play, have we NOT created a ladder system that separates the masses into the levels of play that they truly are at? To me, my feelings of a "Pro" is that that player is in a group of players that ONLY a certain few players on earth can reach, a level of playing that most players can only dream of being at, but...how do we as a society do that...elevate these so called "Pro's" to that level of "Professional"?

Take bank pool for example. If there was ONE pool tournament that was held ONCE a year, to decide the best of the best bank pool players on planet earth...how would you decide who got to play in this world event? By running qualifier tournament play offs? Not in my way of looking at things, nope.

I think that if everyone that wanted to play in this "WORLD" event, then everyone in the world that thought they had a chance should be given that chance, BUT only be allowed to play at that level in which they truly play, meaning if you're only an amateur player, then play in the amateur world playoffs...

If everyone that wanted to take part in this world event had to take a test first to see where they qualify, and the test consisted of 200 stokes, excluding the break, how many balls would a person bank by the end of them 200 strokes..........or how many strokes does it take to bank 50 balls within 2 hours? My way of thinking, is that you'd have a total separation of players to the point that if you drew a line under the top 128 highest banking scores...you'd have defined the "Pro's" of the world for this event, and all those that fell short would fall in place on the skill ladder as "Semi-Pro"..."Advanced"..."Amateur"...and would play for a world championship accordingly

Glen

With what you're describing here, you'd have a HUGE problem of sandbagging...

You'd have players that would purposely tank on the test to get into the amatuer rankings for an easy payday.

If you can come up with a way of avoiding sandbagging, then you might be on to something, good luck with that though...

Jaden

 

[realkingcobra]

With what you're describing here, you'd have a HUGE problem of sandbagging...

You'd have players that would purposely tank on the test to get into the amatuer rankings for an easy payday.

If you can come up with a way of avoiding sandbagging, then you might be on to something, good luck with that though...

Jaden

It's call amatuers have jobs, therefore they're not looking for pool tournament winnings to support themselves, so if a PRO want's to sandbag and play at the amatuer level...they'd better have a job as well The bigger paydays are at the top of the ladder, not at the bottom, but if they fall short of the "Pro's"...there's always a spot in the "Semi-Pro's"....but even there they'd need at least a summer time job

 

[jay helfert]

It's call amatuers have jobs, therefore they're not looking for pool tournament winnings to support themselves, so if a PRO want's to sandbag and play at the amatuer level...they'd better have a job as well The bigger paydays are at the top of the ladder, not at the bottom, but if they fall short of the "Pro's"...there's always a spot in the "Semi-Pro's"....but even there they'd need at least a summer time job

Then they could become "testers" or you can teach them to be table mechanics. Lots of opportunities here! :thumbup:

 

[realkingcobra]

With what you're describing here, you'd have a HUGE problem of sandbagging...

You'd have players that would purposely tank on the test to get into the amatuer rankings for an easy payday.

If you can come up with a way of avoiding sandbagging, then you might be on to something, good luck with that though...

Jaden

It's kind of like NASCAR Jaden, if you don't make it through the time trials and qualify for race day, you're not going to get a shot at the money

 

[Jaden]

Glen...

It's kind of like NASCAR Jaden, if you don't make it through the time trials and qualify for race day, you're not going to get a shot at the money

If there is any money in the amatuers, semi pro's etc., you'll have a problem with sandbaggers. Lots of top players don't even play tournaments, they just go on the road and make more money than they can in the tournaments, now if your system will actually have good payouts across the board on the Pro side, then you might get people that would otherwise sandbag to actually try and qualify for the pros. This is because if there is a sure win of a little money over a not so sure of a lot of money, some people will take the sure win over the tough win. stinking nits...lol

Jaden