Whats the best this, Whats the best that, Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!

manwon

manwon

"WARLOCK 1"
Silver Member
Lately there are so many questions concerning what is the best, Cue, Tip, Shaft, Case, and on and on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

People you must understand one very simple thing there is no best, only what works good for you personally. When some one starts a thread and asks what is the best item, they are going to get a number of Opinions. However, these opinions are baseless and do not apply to the individual who asked the question, only to the person who gave the opinion.

Please understand that the only way anyone can find the best for themselves is to experiment with different cues, different tips, and different shafts yourself. Now I understand that this can become very expensive, however, it is the only way to find out how these items will work according to your abilities.;)

Last and very important, none of these items are going to be the final answer to making you play to the next higher level. These items are only tools which will work to your personal ability, increasing your knowledge through practice and possibly taking lessons from an experienced teacher will do more for you than any of these items. Just remember that there is no easy way to become a better player and in the end your ability will always be based on your ability to learn, to retain what you have learned, and your ability to apply what you have learned in a practical manner


Rant off!!!!!:)
 
Last edited:
Very well said for most of us what works well for me may not work well for others.
But when very new people to the game ask a question like which is the better cue such as Joss,Viking or McDermott that is very subjective and there probably is no real answer.But if they ask is an $800 Schon better then a $200 Lucasi that is a question that has a definite answer and a new person to the game needs to be told why they should spend the extra $600.
Now please all you Joss ,Viking and McDermott fans don't get defensive about your cues I just tried to pick three that are close in price point to each other.Also I play with a Lucasi and I know a Schon is better built but i Didn't pay $800 for it .
 
measureman said:
Very well said for most of us what works well for me may not work well for others.
But when very new people to the game ask a question like which is the better cue such as Joss,Viking or McDermott that is very subjective and there probably is no real answer.But if they ask is an $800 Schon better then a $200 Lucasi that is a question that has a definite answer and a new person to the game needs to be told why they should spend the extra $600.
Now please all you Joss ,Viking and McDermott fans don't get defensive about your cues I just tried to pick three that are close in price point to each other.Also I play with a Lucasi and I know a Schon is better built but i Didn't pay $800 for it .
Click to expand...



Thanks for your comments, and I understand what your saying. However, in the end none of it really matters, because all anyone can offer the new player is opinions. I agree that if some one asks something specific about a brand of cue IE, what quality standards are used to make it, how the cue will hold up for resale value, or if the cue is a collectors item then it it should and can be answered other then giving another opinion. The information can then be based upon something that is tangible that has been proven through time.

Lets face it, in the end like I said before a cue is only a tool that the operator makes perform through their actions. Brands are very subjective and how much a cues costs will have little to do with how well anyone plays. In my opinion the only thing a new player should be concerned with when shopping for their first cue is the proven quality of a brand, and if the manufacturer will stand behind any warranty that they issue for that brand. This gives the player a little more for their money in the event that something happens beyond their control.

JIMO
 
I like reading opinions on what's best as long as it's based on experience. I don't like reading opinions for what's best when it's for financial gain.



Just my opinion.
 
Graciocues said:
I like reading opinions on what's best as long as it's based on experience. I don't like reading opinions for what's best when it's for financial gain.



Just my opinion.
Click to expand...

I agree! Much more beneficial when opinions come from real world end users, and not someone trying to hype a product.

I think another thing people often overlook is that what might be 'best' for them currently, could very likely change as their skill level increases...or preferences change.

Lisa
 
manwon said:
Lately there are so many questions concerning what is the best, Cue, Tip, Shaft, Case, and on and on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

People you must understand one very simple thing there is no best, only what works good for you personally. When some one starts a thread and asks what is the best item, they are going to get a number of Opinions. However, these opinions are baseless and do not apply to the individual who asked the question, only to the person who gave the opinion.

Please understand that the only way anyone can find the best for themselves is to experiment with different cues, different tips, and different shafts yourself. Now I understand that this can become very expensive, however, it is the only way to find out how these items will work according to your abilities.;)

Last and very important, none of these items are going to be the final answer to making you play to the next higher level. These items are only tools which will work to your personal ability, increasing your knowledge through practice and possibly taking lessons from an experienced teacher will do more for you than any of these items. Just remember that there is no easy way to become a better player and in the end your ability will always be based on your ability to learn, to retain what you have learned, and your ability to apply what you have learned in a practical manner


Rant off!!!!!:)
Click to expand...

Craig...I agree that too many are trying to find the 'best of' too easily and on the cheap. They simply do not want to do the research themselves and/or spend the $$$.

I do not even want to think about the $$$ I have spent over the years trying out this cue, that tip, this case, that cue holder, this rack, that felt, this set of balls, that chalk...;)

The reality of it is, that one cannot possibly know what will work best for them until they try it for themselves....and that often means ponying up the $$$...be it big or small. Just because you like a how a tip performs on your buddy's cue shaft, does not mean it will perform equally well on yours...different shafts, different tapers, etc. It requires you to open the wallet and have the tip installed on your shaft...if it works out, great, if not, you cut it off and try something else. Same goes for cues and just about every other piece of billiard equipment.

I also feel that as skill levels increase, what may have been important before, is replaced by something else later...it's the nature of growing and progressing as a player. For instance...I used to LOVE the old Moori layered tips. They were easy to maintain and I liked the softer, grippier hit. As my game progressed, I got to where I was becoming increasingly more dissatisfied with the layered tips...they began to feel too 'spongy' for me. I have since moved on to single layered tips, and am much happier for the performance I feel they give ME. This is but one example.

Instead of buying into the hype, I would rather just purchase and form my own opinion as to what product will work best for me.

Lisa
 
Graciocues said:
I like reading opinions on what's best as long as it's based on experience. I don't like reading opinions for what's best when it's for financial gain.



Just my opinion.
Click to expand...

Thanks for your post, and I agree that there is a great deal opinions given based upon financial gain. However, I still think that people should realize how individual cues, tips and shafts are, and how little they will truly improve a players game without the necessary practice. I am under the opinion that far to many new players are buying items because they are told that this or that will improve their game which is not a completely true statement.

I am a retailer, own a pool room, do a a great deal of cue repair and on a limited basis build custom conversion / non-conversion cues for my customers. With that said it never ceases to amaze me how many new players who come into my place or who post on this forum think that the latest item coming out will make them play better which simply is not true.
The facts are very simple and very easy to understand if people think about, there is no substitute for practice.

Thanks again
 
manwon said:
Lately there are so many questions concerning what is the best, Cue, Tip, Shaft, Case, and on and on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

People you must understand one very simple thing there is no best, only what works good for you personally. When some one starts a thread and asks what is the best item, they are going to get a number of Opinions. However, these opinions are baseless and do not apply to the individual who asked the question, only to the person who gave the opinion.

Please understand that the only way anyone can find the best for themselves is to experiment with different cues, different tips, and different shafts yourself. Now I understand that this can become very expensive, however, it is the only way to find out how these items will work according to your abilities.;)

Last and very important, none of these items are going to be the final answer to making you play to the next higher level. These items are only tools which will work to your personal ability, increasing your knowledge through practice and possibly taking lessons from an experienced teacher will do more for you than any of these items. Just remember that there is no easy way to become a better player and in the end your ability will always be based on your ability to learn, to retain what you have learned, and your ability to apply what you have learned in a practical manner


Rant off!!!!!:)
Click to expand...


Yeah that sounds about right
 
well said Craig, well i think its human nature to seek for the best and owned them but as for me, Personal experience is the best way of learning and knowing the best things you wanted..even if you use a 25 oz cue as long as its the best for you, then use it, every person is unique, the taste, the preference,etc..
Bottomline is that humans are not contented of what they have...and i'm pretty sure it will never ends..only God knows it..

More powers to all,
Al
 
Al_Bautista_Cue said:
well said Craig, well i think its human nature to seek for the best and owned them but as for me, Personal experience is the best way of learning and knowing the best things you wanted..even if you use a 25 oz cue as long as its the best for you, then use it, every person is unique, the taste, the preference,etc..
Bottomline is that humans are not contented of what they have...and i'm pretty sure it will never ends..only God knows it..

More powers to all,
Al
Click to expand...



Thanks for the kind words, and I think you even explained what I was thinking more clearly then I did.

Thanks Again
 
The golf club and ball makers have the "latest and greatest will make you play better" down to a science. Now if you shoot a 90 in a round of golf almost all the time and you switch to a ball that "will save 5 strokes per round" and a putter that "Will save 5 strokes per round" and a set of irons that "will save 5 strokes per round" and a driver that will "save 5 strokes per round" and a set of woods that "will save 5 strokes per round" now you can shoot a 70 and go play with the best. Yeah right. Pool cue makers have thankfully not gotten into this blatant "buy a game" type of hype but a lot of golfers think they can. I love it when someone pulls out their latest and greatest $500 driver and brags about it and then whacks it 250 yards down the fairway and I pull out my Wal Mart $15 driver that i got from the clearance rack (true story) and whack just as far and turn around and say "$15 from Wally world".
 
Buying a cue is an emotional experience too. Asking others about the best, for some posters, is an effort to understand who likes what and eventually to understand the opinions of others. Sometimes the person asking the question is looking for validation of their opinion, or info to form an opinion that will be supported by others. It can be about fitting into a community as much as buying a cue for some people.
 
I think it's kind of dumb to make a post like this.

Boards like these are meant for sharing information and opinions. That's what they are designed for. To have somebody berate posters that have a limited amount of experience (for whatever reason) on a particular subject is just sad. If you were going to buy something fairly expensive like a new cue, or try something out you have never thought might even make a difference (new tip, chalk, etc.), wouldn't you want to do as much research as you possibly could BEFORE you took the plunge? I know I would, and guess where I would look... right here.

A lot of people (myself included) don't have access to the newest trends, or have players around them that have ever tried the same thing they want. By logging onto this board, you have access to experience from around the world. Are all the opinions right? Nope. Does it replace your own experience? Of course not. But what it DOES do is give you insight from a lot of people that have experience with something you are looking to buy or try. That's the beauty of a forum like this:

It allows one person to utilize the insight of others to make a more informed decision.

To restrict the sharing of information or opinions that you may consider foolish, IMO shows some immaturity on your part. If you don't want to read the posts then don't, but don't say somebody is wrong for asking questions. That's just ingnorant...

 
Dakota Cues said:
I think it's kind of dumb to make a post like this.

Boards like these are meant for sharing information and opinions. That's what they are designed for. To have somebody berate posters that have a limited amount of experience (for whatever reason) on a particular subject is just sad. If you were going to buy something fairly expensive like a new cue, or try something out you have never thought might even make a difference (new tip, chalk, etc.), wouldn't you want to do as much research as you possibly could BEFORE you took the plunge? I know I would, and guess where I would look... right here.

A lot of people (myself included) don't have access to the newest trends, or have players around them that have ever tried the same thing they want. By logging onto this board, you have access to experience from around the world. Are all the opinions right? Nope. Does it replace your own experience? Of course not. But what it DOES do is give you insight from a lot of people that have experience with something you are looking to buy or try. That's the beauty of a forum like this:

It allows one person to utilize the insight of others to make a more informed decision.

To restrict the sharing of information or opinions that you may consider foolish, IMO shows some immaturity on your part. If you don't want to read the posts then don't, but don't say somebody is wrong for asking questions. That's just ingnorant...
Click to expand...



You are certainly welcome to your opinion, I am sorry if the intent of this thread was beyond your comprehension. I think it is even more Dumb as you put it to push inexperienced players toward equipment that will cost them a great deal of money and really not provide them any benefit. New players or those with no experience need to understand clearly that their equipment is nothing more than a tool that will not change the abilities of the shooter only enhance them. There is no substitute for a players ability and nothing I have seen marketed in the last 20 years is going to change that.

Oh and by the way, sometimes ignorance can be blissful and the way some people choose their lives, but living with you head in the sand is not living. This thread was not meant to berate anyone, it was designed to help those who have questions understand that no ones Opinion is more important than theirs concerning their equipment. Lets face it no one can tell another person what will work well for them, only that person can figure that out over a period of time by hands on experience.

Thanks for you post:)
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top