How hard is this shot?

[hang-the-9]

If the game is 8 ball, this is a much easier position option (below Cuetable diagram)- cut the 11 in and use some low right to pull the cue ball into the rail, off the 2 - and the CB will trickle in the same direction. The scratch isn't very likely - IMO, you're more likely to scratch by using you're route.

Either way, great shot!

CueTable Help

From the angle the cue ball and the other ball was, no way to hit it towards where you diagramed, the only way it would head was uptable. The rails in the place I play are terrible at taking spin anyway, but I guess that's not really something anyone else would think about when planning shots unless you are there and play on the equipment often.

 

[hang-the-9]

id just take the same line except stop it like 1/8th the distance you put it and just bank the 14 in the side

Just as much chance to miss as the one you shown lool

Can't do that, the cut was so thin that I had to hit it hard enough to at least make it to the other end rail or the object ball would not go in.

 

[hang-the-9]

Two more shots to go.Typically I would go on to make the 14 and then miscue shooting off of the rail at the 8. C'est la vie! Hope you won it . Nice shape on the 14.

I did win it I was actually a bit closer to the last stiped ball than I diagramed, and had a bit of an angle to draw off the rail pretty close to the 8.

 

[TATE]

From my memory, this was one of the best position shots I have made, had to shoot using a bridge.

I'd give it a 9, maybe 10 because A. bridge use B. cue ball close to object ball at a fairly sharp angle C. had to travel 2 1/4 table lengths and stop. Although the cueball did have a natrual path to the angle, with only a bit of spin :smile:

CueTable Help

I would have given it a 10+++ , but that was because I thought you started in position A and kicked in the 11 ball! :smile:

Chris

Ps. just kidding, it's a great shot because it took perfect speed and a perfect cut on the 11. I like it. Position difficulty: 9 (I don't give 10's but I grade on a curve).

This is a desperation shot. If I were playing this, I would have tried to kiss the cue ball off the 8 to try to get similar position. If I hit the 8 too full, I might have a bank cross side. Either way, salvaging a win here would be the goal.

 

[dabarbr]

I would have given it a 10+++ , but that was because I thought you started in position A and kicked in the 11 ball! :smile:

Chris

Ps. just kidding, it's a great shot because it took perfect speed and a perfect cut on the 11. I like it. Position difficulty: 9 (I don't give 10's but I grade on a curve).

This is a desperation shot. If I were playing this, I would have tried to kiss the cue ball off the 8 to try to get similar position. If I hit the 8 too full, I might have a bank cross side. Either way, salvaging a win here would be the goal.

It doesn't appear to be a desperation shot to me. The biggest problem is pocketing the eleven ball (which in my opinion is not too difficult). It looks like the position for the 14 ball is somewhat natural. The travel of the cue ball should hit closer to between the first and middle diamond at the short rail. The cue ball will not come out at the same angle it went in. It will come out shorter and allow the cue ball to attain a straighter shot on the 14 ball.

Either way the most important thing would be to get the cue ball past the 14 ball on the way back. This will give you access to both side pockets and also both corner pockets to the right of the table.

No way for Blackjacks suggestion. The hit on the three is too thin to get to the two ball.

The hit on the eight ball is risky because if you miss hitting the eight and keeping the cue ball there you will pass up any opportunity for the 14 ball.

 

[Scott Lee]

Chris...LMAO, because that's EXACTLY what I thought when I first saw the diagram, and why I made the comments I made (and why I deleted the post after realizing I looked at it incorrectly! )!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I would have given it a 10+++ , but that was because I thought you started in position A and kicked in the 11 ball! :smile:

Chris

 

[Poke N Hope]

How many pool players does it take to change a light bulb?


100! One guy to do it, and another 99 to sit around and talk about how they could have done it better.

lol... this is so true:killingme:

 

[mullyman]

Scott Lee, I'll take your 1 in 10 tries challenge any time, and I'm quite confident I can clean you out doing so. This shot is much easier than that.

What I wouldn't like, is if you gave me just 1 try to do it, like the OP had in this game. That's when the shot becomes exceptional.

-Andrew

If you're talking about the first shot that is diagrammed, on a 9 footer, I'll take some of that action. You're not going to make that 1 out of 10 tries. 50 tries you *MIGHT* make it once. And I call that a heavy might. Don't forget, he said he used the bridge too.

Look, there are tons of shots like this that I've made in clutch situations that I have not been able to repeat. It happens. If he made the shot while he was actually in a jam I applaud him. It is in fact a really good shot. But lets be real, he's not going to make that shot again for a very long time.
MULLY


Ok, I'm guilty of not reading through the entire thread. I see he is cutting in the 11 and getting position on the 14. Ok, pretty tough shot but yeah, I would feel confident in getting there or pretty damn close to it. When I first looked at it I thought he was starting behind the 6 and kicking 2 rails to slice in the 11. I take back my bet. It's not that hard of a shot, especially on tables here because we usually have 760 and the balls run really well.
MULLY

 

[zy112]

Chris...LMAO, because that's EXACTLY what I thought when I first saw the diagram, and why I made the comments I made (and why I deleted the post after realizing I looked at it incorrectly! )!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Wow, I did the EXACT same thing. Shows how closely I pay attention. I think I should revoke my posting privelages for now

 

[Neil]

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[mullyman]

Let me make sure I have this right, you are saying that the odds of making the shot shown in post #1 is about 1 in 50??? I sure hope you aren't saying that! I'm sure from your previous posts that you can play fairly decent. Which is why I just can't comprehend you saying that. The shot, bridge or not, is nothing more than being able to judge your angle off the first rail. After that, it is just speed control.

Not a gimmie by any means, but anyone that can play position should be able to do this quite regularly given a couple of shots to get the speed down pat. 1 in 50 would imply pot-luck with no control over what is happening.

edit: LOL, O.K., now we are playing the edit game. I posted before I read your edit. LOL.

Yeah, I thought you'd agree when you saw my edit. hehe!! I play a lot of 14.1 and I've done shots like this before. I'll admit, you gotta have good speed control but I'd give myself at least 6 or 7 out of 10 to get the position on this one.

Yeah, slicing that 11 in 2 rails, I give that a 1 in 50 plus a touch of miracle. hahaha!!
MULLY

 

[alphadog]

From my memory, this was one of the best position shots I have made, had to shoot using a bridge.

I'd give it a 9, maybe 10 because A. bridge use B. cue ball close to object ball at a fairly sharp angle C. had to travel 2 1/4 table lengths and stop. Although the cueball did have a natrual path to the angle, with only a bit of spin :smile:

CueTable Help

1-good thing you had already made the 9
2 how many "jump-shot retards" would have tried to jump the 8 and bank the 14 ? Of course if they pulled off the shot their reward would probably
be another ,duh, jump! You made a good shot.

 

[mullyman]

1-good thing you had already made the 9
2 how many "jump-shot retards" would have tried to jump the 8 and bank the 14 ? Of course if they pulled off the shot their reward would probably
be another ,duh, jump! You made a good shot.

I sure as hell wouldn't try to jump that 8 but depending on the actual position of the balls I may try to run into the bottom of the 8 and then try the bank on the 14. You're not going to hit it hard enough to push that 8 in the path of the 14 going cross table. If you have confidence in your banks, and can hit the 8, it's not a bad shot.
MULLY

 

[hang-the-9]

Sorry for the confusion all hehe.. :embarrassed2: It looks like half the people though I started from cueball position A.

As far as hitting the 8, can't get there from the location. Too sharp, even with a ton of spin, and I was using a bridge, and the rails don't take spin well at all.

 

[3andstop]

I agree with Neil, the angle is natural and the shot is speed control.

(although I don't know if I could reach it with the bridge) I might have to stab this one handed.

 

[Neil]

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[ssminn]

Shooting this shot on a 9' table I think I might have trouble getting the bridge out of the way in time. on a 7' table I think I could get the bridge out of the way, depending on where the cue ball was for the shot. On a 7' bar box you maybe could have cut the 11 into the rail then over into the wide barbox pocket, giving you an angle to spin up with english and hit the 8 ball for a bank on the 14.
I'd give you a 8 for the way you shot it. Some times I think tough shots like this are easier during a game when your in stroke and focused compared to just practicing.

 

[Snapshot9]

You're defying physics. The cut on the 11 is extremely thin; even with superhuman amounts of spin you couldn't even hit the 2, much less get all the way under it.

The OP played the shot correctly, from that position. You can hit the ball firmly enough to be confident about cutting it in, and it's fairly natural to get on the 14; really it's just a speed control shot.

Scott Lee, I'll take your 1 in 10 tries challenge any time, and I'm quite confident I can clean you out doing so. This shot is much easier than that.

What I wouldn't like, is if you gave me just 1 try to do it, like the OP had in this game. That's when the shot becomes exceptional.

-Andrew

I agree with Andrew completely on his answer. The only difficulty in shooting this shot is getting in position with a crutch to shoot the shot, and getting the crutch out of the way before the cue ball rebounded off the foot end rail to hit the crutch on the way back. THAT IS THE DIFFICULT PART OF THE SHOT.

Scott Lee - I have no qualms about accepting your challenge especially with 10 tries except I am only 5'7" tall and do have a doubt as to whether I could reach far enough with a crutch without being too stretched out.

In other words, I would have to see if I could get in a proper position first before I would say yea or nay on accepting the challenge.

 

[mullyman]

Going the other way, I just might give 1 in 50 to Efren or Butamente and break their bank!

If Efren steps up then all bets are off.
MULLY

 

[mullyman]

I agree with Andrew completely on his answer. The only difficulty in shooting this shot is getting in position with a crutch to shoot the shot, and getting the crutch out of the way before the cue ball rebounded off the foot end rail to hit the crutch on the way back. THAT IS THE DIFFICULT PART OF THE SHOT.

Scott Lee - I have no qualms about accepting your challenge especially with 10 tries except I am only 5'7" tall and do have a doubt as to whether I could reach far enough with a crutch without being too stretched out.

In other words, I would have to see if I could get in a proper position first before I would say yea or nay on accepting the challenge.

I think when Scott put forth that challenge he was thinking like a lot of us that the OP was shooting from position A and slicing the 11 after kicking 2 rails.

As for the bridge, I'm 6'1. Not a problem at all.
MULLY