Hal Houle CTE Explanation from 1997

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:57:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: AIMING SYSTEMS CUE BALL EDGE SYSTEM

First, this system costs you nothing.

My name is Hal Houle. Started playing in 1934. Began instructing pool in
1945. Still doing it. Teach professionals, very advanced players, and
road money players.

3 angles for all shots, on any size pool table, including snooker & bar
tables. Includes; pocketing, caroms, single rail banks, double rail
banks, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks, and double kiss banks.

All tables have a 2 to 1 ratio; 3 1/2 x 7, 4 x 8, 4 ½ x 9, 5 x 10, 6 x
12. Always twice as long as it is wide. Table corners are 90 degree
angles. Laying a cue from side pocket to corner pocket forms a 45
degree angle. Laying a cue from side pocket to middle diamond on same
end rail, forms a 30 degree angle. Laying a cue from side pocket to
first diamond on the same end rail forms a 45 degree angle. 3 angles
total 90 degrees, the same angles formed by table corners.

CB relation, to OB relation, to POCKET relation is always 15, 30, or 45
degrees. Simple solution. 2 places on CB to aim with; always in same
places. 3 places on OB to aim at, always in same places. 2 places on
CB, 3 places on OB; 2 x 3 = 6 pockets. Depending upon how CB and OB and
pocket lie in relation to one another, can pocket OB directly into
pocket or bank into any one of remaining 5 pockets. Reverse is true. If
relationship of CB to OB to POCKET can only be a bank, so be it.

No need to look at pocket or cushion while lining up place on CB at
place on OB. 3 angles. Only requirement is to recognize shot is 15, 30,
or 45 degree angle. Recognizing 3 angles can be done instantly by
aiming one of 2 CB places at one of 3 OB places. Will be obvious which
OB place is correct. Any time one of 2 places on CB is aimed at one of
3 places on OB, OB must go to pocket. Choose correctly and OB will go
to chosen pocket. Professionals know this aiming system, but are a
closed fraternity; you are the enemy. Interested in where those places
are?

CB 2 places ; left edge, right edge.

OB 3 places ; center of left half, center of 0B, center of right half.
Halves and center face straight at edges of CB, not facing toward
pocket. If working on a work bench at home, there wouldn't be a pocket.
You'd line up edge of CB at target on OB without pocket influence.

Cutting left 15 degrees, aim CB left edge at center of OB left half.
Cutting left 30 degrees, aim CB left edge at OB center. Cutting left 45
degrees, aim CB left edge at center of OB right half.

Cutting right 15 degrees, aim CB right edge at center of OB right half.
Cutting right 30 degrees, aim CB right edge at OB center. Cutting right
45 degrees, aim CB right edge at center of OB left half.

Get down and aim your old way, you will be close to where you should be
aiming. Look to see (without changing your head or eye position) where
CB edge is aiming at OB. On every shot, the CB edge is always aiming at
those OB places.

System is for any shot; pocketing, single banks, double banks, double
kiss banks, multiple banks, caroms, combinations. The shot remaining is
extreme cut for any shots over 45 degrees. Aim CB edge at center of
half of the half of 0B (¼). Don't let pocket influence you. Have a
friend hold ball tray between OB and pocket, so you can't see pocket.
You would've chosen 15, 30, or 45 degree angle before friend put ball
tray in place. Have fun, don't tell friend how you pocket OB without
seeing pocket.
 
JMW said:
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:57:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: AIMING SYSTEMS CUE BALL EDGE SYSTEM

First, this system costs you nothing.

My name is Hal Houle. Started playing in 1934. Began instructing pool in
1945. Still doing it. Teach professionals, very advanced players, and
road money players.

3 angles for all shots, on any size pool table, including snooker & bar
tables. Includes; pocketing, caroms, single rail banks, double rail
banks, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks, and double kiss banks.

All tables have a 2 to 1 ratio; 3 1/2 x 7, 4 x 8, 4 ½ x 9, 5 x 10, 6 x
12. Always twice as long as it is wide. Table corners are 90 degree
angles. Laying a cue from side pocket to corner pocket forms a 45
degree angle. Laying a cue from side pocket to middle diamond on same
end rail, forms a 30 degree angle. Laying a cue from side pocket to
first diamond on the same end rail forms a 45 degree angle. 3 angles
total 90 degrees, the same angles formed by table corners.

CB relation, to OB relation, to POCKET relation is always 15, 30, or 45
degrees. Simple solution. 2 places on CB to aim with; always in same
places. 3 places on OB to aim at, always in same places. 2 places on
CB, 3 places on OB; 2 x 3 = 6 pockets. Depending upon how CB and OB and
pocket lie in relation to one another, can pocket OB directly into
pocket or bank into any one of remaining 5 pockets. Reverse is true. If
relationship of CB to OB to POCKET can only be a bank, so be it.

No need to look at pocket or cushion while lining up place on CB at
place on OB. 3 angles. Only requirement is to recognize shot is 15, 30,
or 45 degree angle. Recognizing 3 angles can be done instantly by
aiming one of 2 CB places at one of 3 OB places. Will be obvious which
OB place is correct. Any time one of 2 places on CB is aimed at one of
3 places on OB, OB must go to pocket. Choose correctly and OB will go
to chosen pocket. Professionals know this aiming system, but are a
closed fraternity; you are the enemy. Interested in where those places
are?

CB 2 places ; left edge, right edge.

OB 3 places ; center of left half, center of 0B, center of right half.
Halves and center face straight at edges of CB, not facing toward
pocket. If working on a work bench at home, there wouldn't be a pocket.
You'd line up edge of CB at target on OB without pocket influence.

Cutting left 15 degrees, aim CB left edge at center of OB left half.
Cutting left 30 degrees, aim CB left edge at OB center. Cutting left 45
degrees, aim CB left edge at center of OB right half.

Cutting right 15 degrees, aim CB right edge at center of OB right half.
Cutting right 30 degrees, aim CB right edge at OB center. Cutting right
45 degrees, aim CB right edge at center of OB left half.

Get down and aim your old way, you will be close to where you should be
aiming. Look to see (without changing your head or eye position) where
CB edge is aiming at OB. On every shot, the CB edge is always aiming at
those OB places.

System is for any shot; pocketing, single banks, double banks, double
kiss banks, multiple banks, caroms, combinations. The shot remaining is
extreme cut for any shots over 45 degrees. Aim CB edge at center of
half of the half of 0B (¼). Don't let pocket influence you. Have a
friend hold ball tray between OB and pocket, so you can't see pocket.
You would've chosen 15, 30, or 45 degree angle before friend put ball
tray in place. Have fun, don't tell friend how you pocket OB without
seeing pocket.
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I think this is the quarters system,It is not CTE
 
Thanks for sharing but this doesn't sound like CTE. There is no shift and no pivot therein.
 
Sorry... Hal called it the Cue Ball Edge System so I thought it was related to all the CTE discussions. I think it is also called SAM?
 
JMW said:
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:57:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: AIMING SYSTEMS CUE BALL EDGE SYSTEM

First, this system costs you nothing.

My name is Hal Houle. Started playing in 1934. Began instructing pool in
1945. Still doing it. Teach professionals, very advanced players, and
road money players.

3 angles for all shots, on any size pool table, including snooker & bar
tables. Includes; pocketing, caroms, single rail banks, double rail
banks, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks, and double kiss banks.

All tables have a 2 to 1 ratio; 3 1/2 x 7, 4 x 8, 4 ½ x 9, 5 x 10, 6 x
12. Always twice as long as it is wide. Table corners are 90 degree
angles. Laying a cue from side pocket to corner pocket forms a 45
degree angle. Laying a cue from side pocket to middle diamond on same
end rail, forms a 30 degree angle. Laying a cue from side pocket to
first diamond on the same end rail forms a 45 degree angle. 3 angles
total 90 degrees, the same angles formed by table corners.
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Well im confused already. I assume that the final angle of the 3 is 15 degrees not 45 as written. But what is the significance of them adding up to the table corner angle? If i get an answer to this, I may not have to ask 30 other questions. Thanks.
 
Nostroke said:
Well im confused already. I assume that the final angle of the 3 is 15 degrees not 45 as written. But what is the significance of them adding up to the table corner angle? If i get an answer to this, I may not have to ask 30 other questions. Thanks.
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Many of the angles mentioned above are close but not exact. A quarter-ball hit, for example, does not give a 45-degree cut as stated. Similarly, a right triangle with sides in the ratio of 2:1 does not have a 30-degree angle. For that, the ratio of the shorter leg to the hypotenuse is 2:1.

Whether such details are important to you or to your aiming system is another matter.
 
Nostroke said:
Well im confused already. I assume that the final angle of the 3 is 15 degrees not 45 as written. But what is the significance of them adding up to the table corner angle? If i get an answer to this, I may not have to ask 30 other questions. Thanks.
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IMO, when you waken each morning, make sure your loved ones are OK, you've food and shelter for the day, and you continue to find no significance to those angles adding to 90.
 
This morning I had a healthful bowl of wheaties for breakfast. There were exactly 60 flakes in the bowl. I topped the wheaties with 12 slices of banana and two strawberries. 60 x 12 x 2 = the number of minutes in a day. Therefore I will live another day. I eat this breakfast every day. I will never die.
 
Good conversation....

I was on my back from a troubleshooting call out offshore yesterday and I decided to ring Fatboy up and shoot the bull for a minute....

we ended up on the subject of all this CTE stuff and he made a great comment...

"Trying to describe the CTE is basically impossible with just words...its like trying to tell someone what chocholate tastes like....

Come on tell me what chocholate tastes like?

No Seriously, What does chocholate taste like?"



We laughed our arses off;):D b/c



-Grey Ghost-
 
Has anyone brought up ETC....(not etc.)....I've seen a great bar table player cue up on the outside of whitey....then when they execute the shot the last swing goes to center of cue ball. Jr. Brown excelled with this style. He actually from yrs of playing figured out his faults and corrected it by this method, I've also see players always cue high and then go low on the final swing.
 
greyghost said:
[...]

"Trying to describe the CTE is basically impossible with just words...its like trying to tell someone what chocholate tastes like....

Come on tell me what chocholate tastes like?
[...]
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Nobody is requesting somebody describe in words the experience of CTE, as in what it feels like to do a pivot and have the ball split the pocket, or the perception a player experiences when he finds the center of the ball. Those things, like tasting chocolate, a player just needs to experience.

But the notion that an aiming system can be described at the table and not in words is absolutely ridiculous. It's some of the biggest malarkey that's graced this forum over the years.

It's obfuscation, nothing more, usually invoked to hide a ball the obfuscater doesn't have in the first place...

(1) Lay the piece of chocolate on your tongue near the center.

(2) Tilt your head back so that your eyes are pointing 15 degrees above the horizon.

(3) Gently bring the roof of your mouth to lightly touch the top of the
chocolate.

(4) Close your eyes and relax all the muscles in your body
 
without the properly informed person being there when someone is learning to use a technique its very probably that them just understanding whats on paper or the screen and performing it in the real world....

most players have no idea what the hell their body is doing to begin with so how are they going to know what they are doing exactly?

not to mention that everyone sees the balls differently

you say chocholate tastes sweet well what the hell is sweet? some chocholate isn't sweet....

you can't possibly describe it perfectly so that anyone could just grasp it and perform it correctly just as you can describe the taste of chocolate for a million years to someone who has never eaten it, they will never know the true taste untill they actually taste it.

if someone isnt using the whole method as supposed then they are not using the method....
 
Rich93 said:
This morning I had a healthful bowl of wheaties for breakfast. There were exactly 60 flakes in the bowl. I topped the wheaties with 12 slices of banana and two strawberries. 60 x 12 x 2 = the number of minutes in a day. Therefore I will live another day. I eat this breakfast every day. I will never die.
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That is really beautiful!
 
If this is Hal's "Cue Ball Edge" (CBE) system, does anyone here know when and how it transformed into "Center To Edge" (CTE)? Or are they two entirely different things?

Roger
 
greyghost said:
without the properly informed person being there when someone is learning to use a technique its very probably that them just understanding whats on paper or the screen and performing it in the real world.......
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This is, of course, false. Lots of people learn stuff from books. Even physical techniques. It may be that some people are incapable of writing clear descriptions of techniques, and certainly there are some people who are not capable of understanding those explanations. But there are people who can do each and both.

Of course it often helps to have a teacher there in person, but for many techniques, it's not a requirement.
 
Bob Jewett said:
This is, of course, false. Lots of people learn stuff from books. Even physical techniques. It may be that some people are incapable of writing clear descriptions of techniques, and certainly there are some people who are not capable of understanding those explanations. But there are people who can do each and both.

Of course it often helps to have a teacher there in person, but for many techniques, it's not a requirement.
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well bob I'm exagarating of course, and your 100% true but imop the majority of people reading the instructions to something like this would be lost to some degree....my point was that it really is much more effective to have someone such as yourself teaching the method in person

its just a very hard aspect to get across verbally, i was just making a general assumption.
 
greyghost said:
well bob I'm exagarating of course, and your 100% true but imop the majority of people reading the instructions to something like this would be lost to some degree....my point was that it really is much more effective to have someone such as yourself teaching the method in person

its just a very hard aspect to get across verbally, i was just making a general assumption.
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It is better taught in person,I am going to start teaching it in Myrtle Beach (CTE that is)
Peteypooldude
 
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