Unknown Ohio road men of an earlier era

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For my birthday I decided to start a few threads about people and things that I thought might be interesting to the nostalgia buffs.

This is the first one. There were several excellent road men back in the 60's and 70's in Ohio that no one ever mentions on here. I want to give them some small measure of recognition because they played that good, and I'm sure they had something to do with the cultivation of younger players who came up after them. One reason the Ohio pool scene is so strong is because of players like this.

The first guy was called Johnny Dollar. His real name was Johnny Overton, but he was forever known as Johnny Dollar, maybe because he liked to bet it up when he played pool. Johnny played good, maybe a ball under Joey Spaeth. He would show up in pool rooms around Indianapolis, Dayton, Columbus or Cincy back in the 60's looking to play anyone. He made the mistake of tangling with George Rood in Dayton one time, but he can be forgiven for that.

Yes there were several very high profile players in Ohio back then, but everyone knew them and most just avoided these guys or were champions themselves. Players like George Rood, Joey Spaeth, Steve Cook, Cincinnati Clem and to a lesser degree Ted Elias were proven champions and only an aspiring or established pro would take them on.

But who I'm talking about is the guys who stayed under the radar and still played high speed pool. Like Johnny Dollar. His son was Jay Overton who became a top pro golfer and is still on the Senior tour. His grandson is Jeff Overton, who is currently making a name for himself on the PGA tour. I don't know if grand dad is still alive but he was a winner himself at a very tough game.

Next on my list is Larry Ridgeway from up in Northern Ohio. He snuck around pretty good, and very few people know how good he played. Larry moved good and knew how to milk a pool room for maximum dollars. He later owned a couple of big rooms in Northern Ohio so he was one sharp cookie.

Then there was Bill Stigall from Mansfield, who may have played as good or better than either of these first two. But Bill was brash and cocky and got himself in jams because of it. He would come into a room and announce that he wanted to play the best player in the house and they could bet what they want. He got himself some good games this way and did make some scores but also he got himself robbed more than once with his boasting about playing for big money. Back then the big Ohio poolrooms were not places for the faint hearted.

One of the best road men of that era was Chuck Morgan, a championship level player who avoided tournaments like the plague. He went looking for top players to rob, and guys like the first three I mentioned here were his marks. Chuck Morgan was a serious player and he could take on anyone at any game. Even the young Jimmy Rempe only put one loser on his resume when he traveled west to Ohio. He ran across Chuck Morgan and paid the price.

Then of course there was Donnie Anderson who usually stayed close to home in Cincinnati. A distinguished looking gentleman who preferred to play Banks. But oh how he could play. It took an Eddie Taylor to beat this guy, as a young Truman found out to his dismay. The first time Youngblood came bouncing through Ohio, he was delighted to find so many Bank games. That is until he met Donnie Anderson. That was the end of Youngblood's bankroll.

Maybe the best pure hustler of them all was Pete Glenn. Pete looked like your local bank manager or insurance salesman just out for a friendly game of pool. But he was a wolf in sheep's clothing, robbing countless players in four states for over forty years. They must have been glad when he relocated to Arizona. His sons Denny and Steve, have one of the world's largest collections of high end cues. They can play a little too, but not like dad.

Then there was the grand daddy of them all, the Jack Cooney of his era. I'm talking about Don Willis. Everyone knew his name but few people knew what he looked like. Don was an unpretensious man, barely over 5'6" tall. He had a little round belly and slicked back hair. He didn't say much and never carried a cue with him. He would come into a room and scope out the action, already aware of who the top players were and what kind of games went on in there. Don came prepared. Before long he would have the best player in the room betting maximum dollars and the rest of the poolroom emptying out on their man. I mean, this guy certainly didn't look like the world beater that he was. By the time people found out who he was, he was long gone. Don Willis was the Lone Ranger of his era.

Okay, that's enough for now. Hope you enjoyed my little ode to Ohio's old days.
 
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Papa Pete, smooth and debonair, was a silent killer. He is the one who amassed those Balabushkas and Szambotis. I remember he asked me once how I played, just rolled of his tongue without raising an eyebrow, I knew better though. Always a sharp dresser too.
 
Thanks Jay. I always enjoy your stories and history of the game. Looking forward to a few more. Johnnyt
 
Ohio Road Players

Thanks Jay for that brief on the top Ohio players of the 60's era. Having grown up in Cincinnati, graduating from HS in 1959, and playing in all of the Cincinnati area tournaments, I knew and played several of the players you described, including Donnie Anderson, Clem and Joey Spaeth. I just wish that someone on this forum could recite some stories about Joey Spaeth's father, "North Side "Eddie" Spaeth" He was a monster, and I doubt that any of the players you mention who played him ever took the cash. Probably why Joey and his son Gary were so good. "The apple does not fall far from the tree"

Cross-Side-Larry

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I love your stories Jay...If you get the chance, asnd you recognize the name.....do you have any stories about Jimmy Matts?
 
I know George Rood & he could tell these stories everyday & not tell the same one twice. Someone in Dayton missed their chance to have a recoder going, when George was giving the crowd some history.
 
Thanks Jay it is great to hear some stories fromt he past. Does anyone have picts from the era of any of these guys. Would love to put a face to a name.
 
Don (Mcoy) McCaughey?

Hey Jay. Love all of your nostalgic stuff. Question I thought of regarding Don Mcoy. I am a friend of Don's and despite knowing him fairly well i wondered do you have any stories or knowledge of him years ago? He's the nicest and the most modest person I know. He never speaks of himself! I knew about (from an article in the paper here) him killing Fats at some time but so what? Anything else? Thanks!
 
For my birthday I decided to start a few threads about people and things that I thought might be interesting to the nostalgia buffs.

This is the first one. There were several excellent road men back in the 60's and 70's in Ohio that no one ever mentions on here. I want to give them some small measure of recognition because they played that good, and I'm sure they had something to do with the cultivation of younger players who came up after them. One reason the Ohio pool scene is so strong is because of players like this.

The first guy was called Johnny Dollar. His real name was Johnny Overton, but he was forever known as Johnny Dollar, maybe because he liked to bet it up when he played pool. Johnny played good, maybe a ball under Joey Spaeth. He would show up in pool rooms around Indianapolis, Dayton, Columbus or Cincy back in the 60's looking to play anyone. He made the mistake of tangling with George Rood in Dayton one time, but he can be forgiven for that.

Yes there were several very high profile players in Ohio back then, but everyone knew them and most just avoided these guys or were champions themselves. Players like George Rood, Joey Spaeth, Steve Cook, Cincinnati Clem and to a lesser degree Ted Elias were proven champions and only an aspiring or established pro would take them on.

But who I'm talking about is the guys who stayed under the radar and still played high speed pool. Like Johnny Dollar. His son was Jay Overton who became a top pro golfer and is still on the Senior tour. His grandson is Jeff Overton, who is currently making a name for himself on the PGA tour. I don't know if grand dad is still alive but he was a winner himself at a very tough game.

Next on my list is Larry Ridgeway from up in Northern Ohio. He snuck around pretty good, and very few people know how good he played. Larry moved good and knew how to milk a pool room for maximum dollars. He later owned a couple of big rooms in Northern Ohio so he was one sharp cookie.

Then there was Bill Stigall from Mansfield, who may have played as good or better than either of these first two. But Bill was brash and cocky and got himself in jams because of it. He would come into a room and announce that he wanted to play the best player in the house and they could bet what they want. He got himself some good games this way and did make some scores but also he got himself robbed more than once with his boasting about playing for big money. Back then the big Ohio poolrooms were not places for the faint hearted.

One of the best road men of that era was Chuck Morgan, a championship level player who avoided tournaments like the plague. He went looking for top players to rob, and guys like the first three I mentioned here were his marks. Chuck Morgan was a serious player and he could take on anyone at any game. Even the young Jimmy Rempe only put one loser on his resume when he traveled west to Ohio. He ran across Chuck Morgan and paid the price.

Then of course there was Donnie Anderson who usually stayed close to home in Cincinnati. A distinguished looking gentleman who preferred to play Banks. But oh how he could play. It took an Eddie Taylor to beat this guy, as a young Truman found out to his dismay. The first time Youngblood came bouncing through Ohio, he was delighted to find so many Bank games. That is until he met Donnie Anderson. That was the end of Youngblood's bankroll.

Maybe the best pure hustler of them all was Pete Glenn. Pete looked like your local bank manager or insurance salesman just out for a friendly game of pool. But he was a wolf in sheep's clothing, robbing countless players in four states for over forty years. They must have been glad when he relocated to Arizona. His sons Denny and Steve, have one of the world's largest collections of high end cues. They can play a little too, but not like dad.

Then there was the grand daddy of them all, the Jack Cooney of his era. I'm talking about Don Willis. Everyone knew his name but few people knew what he looked like. Don was an unpretensious man, barely over 5'6" tall. He had a little round belly and slicked back hair. He didn't say much and never carried a cue with him. He would come into a room and scope out the action, already aware of who the top players were and what kind of games went on in there. Don came prepared. Before long he would have the best player in the room betting maximum dollars and the rest of the poolroom emptying out on their man. I mean, this guy certainly didn't look like the world beater that he was. By the time people found out who he was, he was long gone. Don Willis was the Lone Ranger of his era.

Okay, that's enough for now. Hope you enjoyed my little ode to Ohio's old days.


Jay, I was hoping that ribbing you about Mergards in your Birthday thread might shake loose an Ohio story and you came through for me!

Of course I'm quite a bit younger that you, LOL not that much really, I'll be 60 in October, but I was born and raised in Cincinnati. I graduated from West High (on the other side of town from most of the pool action) in 1968 and as many of us did during that time I enlisted in the Navy and was all over the US for a couple of years and then did 2 tours WestPac (Vietnam) on the USS Enterprise. While I was away fighting the war, my family up and moved to Miami Florida. I fooled them and found them in Miami and lived there until 1981. I was away from the area for 13 years and missed a lot of what you remember. I never stepped foot in either Mergards or Jerry's Palace which were 2 notorious action rooms from slightly different eras, both were closed before I moved back to Cincy in '81. But when I moved back, I bought a bar in Price Hill and put in an 8' Valley and a 9' National coin-op(which is a rare bird) and started getting in to the Cincinnati "pool scene". Didn't take me too long to run into Gary Spaeth! After he drummed me good for a week or so I finally realized the chasm between my skills and his. I'd been used to "holding my own" with about anyone I ran into playing in the bars, but I found out what the "big fish in a little pond" really meant when I tried playing with REAL POOL PLAYERS! We quickly became best of friends, Gary and I. Through Gary I got to know Joey very well as we all piled in my "Big Red" Cadillac 5 nights a week, usually, going to one tournament or another. In 1985 Royal Family Billiards of Oakley was about to close. I sold my bar and bought the poolroom with Joey and Gary kind of spurring me on. I hired Joey as my manager due to his knowledge of the pool world and business. Gary also helped out and was a house pro. only a year or so went by when I got the call from Marie Spaeth, Gary's mom and Joey's wife, telling me that Joey had passed away early that morning and she wasn't able to reach Gary to break the news to him. I was left with that responsibility, which wasn't easy! Gary and I did a lot of "road work" over the years and became as close as 2 heterosexual men could be! I loved him like a brother and eventually ended up with the dubious distinction of having been a Pall Bearer at both Joey and Gary's funerals. I've been friends with Donnie Anderson and Clem Metz since my early days when I first started running with Gary. I had a weekly poker game at my house for several years and Clem was a regular fixture in that game. He told me a lot of road stories. Steve Cook was a good friend of mine also. He played with one of my cues up til his death! I got to know George Rood from going to Airway Billiards in Dayton. He's always been a class act and still plays amazingly well for his age. I'd back him against anyone his age on earth. The rest of the players I've heard of through pool room legend but never really got to see them play. Besides these mentioned players there were several others, some of which played close to their speeds. Billy & Ricky Carrelli, Butch Baker, Melvin Taylor, Ralph Black, Jim Borschelt, Thorny Lindsey, Mike Medley, young Johnny Brumback, Rick Garrison, Joe "Lawrence"or Robinson, Mark Link etc... are the names that come to mind as the next generation of top area players, but Gary was always the "top gun" from about '82 until his death in 2000.
Jason Miller used to run around with us starting when he was about 14 and was a student and prodigy of Gary's. Joe Brown was another of "our group" back then.

Fun to think about those days gone by, knowing that the world has changed so much in the last 30 years that the younger generation can never really know how it was.
 
I know George Rood & he could tell these stories everyday & not tell the same one twice. Someone in Dayton missed their chance to have a recoder going, when George was giving the crowd some history.

George was the best of the best! Luther Lassiter (no less) called him the best 9-Ball player he ever knew. He was the one guy Luther did not want to play. Actually they were good friends and Luther would often visit George in Dayton back in the 60's and 70's. Don Willis was another running buddy of theirs. How would you like to draw to this threesome back then? Doubtful they ever lost when traveling together in the 50's.
 
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Hey Jay. Love all of your nostalgic stuff. Question I thought of regarding Don Mcoy. I am a friend of Don's and despite knowing him fairly well i wondered do you have any stories or knowledge of him years ago? He's the nicest and the most modest person I know. He never speaks of himself! I knew about (from an article in the paper here) him killing Fats at some time but so what? Anything else? Thanks!

Don was a top flight player from Iowa who loved to gamble and bet high. Very rare that I ever heard of him losing. He was probably the best player for 500 miles around at least. Don's peak years were just after Craig Stevens from Wichita, but they might have overlapped a little. I'd have to take Craig in this match-up. Don did play at the same time as Louie Roberts and Buddy, two other great midwestern players. No one beat Buddy! That's just how it was.

And only a handful ever beat Louie if they caught him on an "off" day. Don was a smart player and not a braggart. I liked that about him. He knew how to get games by staying humble. You could probably count the guys he lost to on one hand. On the 80's tournament scene he was a part time player, usually well up in the money, but rarely top five or six. The fields were loaded back then. Mizerak, Sigel, Hall, Hopkins, Varner, Rempe, David Howard, Wade Crane, Jimmy Mataya, sometimes Keith, Jimmy Fusco, Ray Martin, Lou Butera, Grady Mathews and the young Earl! Try to finish in the top five against that group of killers.

Gambling was another story and Don McCoy had a fearsome reputation.
 
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Fat Glenn

Dont forget, Fat Glenn Knowles. He was an Ohio boy. Fast gambler and tough to beat, old scuff. Played good 1 hole and banks. Would send the money home to his wife and kids as fast as he could win it.

Beard

Don McCoy was next to impossible to beat on home court in DesMoines? Memory is slightly shakey.
 
Jay, all that and no mention of Tommy Parker or Billy Stopher(sp).... what a shame. But then again, some of the best unknowns are still unknown.

Did you ever run into either of these guys ?


For my birthday I decided to start a few threads about people and things that I thought might be interesting to the nostalgia buffs.

This is the first one. There were several excellent road men back in the 60's and 70's in Ohio that no one ever mentions on here. I want to give them some small measure of recognition because they played that good, and I'm sure they had something to do with the cultivation of younger players who came up after them. One reason the Ohio pool scene is so strong is because of players like this.

The first guy was called Johnny Dollar. His real name was Johnny Overton, but he was forever known as Johnny Dollar, maybe because he liked to bet it up when he played pool. Johnny played good, maybe a ball under Joey Spaeth. He would show up in pool rooms around Indianapolis, Dayton, Columbus or Cincy back in the 60's looking to play anyone. He made the mistake of tangling with George Rood in Dayton one time, but he can be forgiven for that.

Yes there were several very high profile players in Ohio back then, but everyone knew them and most just avoided these guys or were champions themselves. Players like George Rood, Joey Spaeth, Steve Cook, Cincinnati Clem and to a lesser degree Ted Elias were proven champions and only an aspiring or established pro would take them on.

But who I'm talking about is the guys who stayed under the radar and still played high speed pool. Like Johnny Dollar. His son was Jay Overton who became a top pro golfer and is still on the Senior tour. His grandson is Jeff Overton, who is currently making a name for himself on the PGA tour. I don't know if grand dad is still alive but he was a winner himself at a very tough game.

Next on my list is Larry Ridgeway from up in Northern Ohio. He snuck around pretty good, and very few people know how good he played. Larry moved good and knew how to milk a pool room for maximum dollars. He later owned a couple of big rooms in Northern Ohio so he was one sharp cookie.

Then there was Bill Stigall from Mansfield, who may have played as good or better than either of these first two. But Bill was brash and cocky and got himself in jams because of it. He would come into a room and announce that he wanted to play the best player in the house and they could bet what they want. He got himself some good games this way and did make some scores but also he got himself robbed more than once with his boasting about playing for big money. Back then the big Ohio poolrooms were not places for the faint hearted.

One of the best road men of that era was Chuck Morgan, a championship level player who avoided tournaments like the plague. He went looking for top players to rob, and guys like the first three I mentioned here were his marks. Chuck Morgan was a serious player and he could take on anyone at any game. Even the young Jimmy Rempe only put one loser on his resume when he traveled west to Ohio. He ran across Chuck Morgan and paid the price.

Then of course there was Donnie Anderson who usually stayed close to home in Cincinnati. A distinguished looking gentleman who preferred to play Banks. But oh how he could play. It took an Eddie Taylor to beat this guy, as a young Truman found out to his dismay. The first time Youngblood came bouncing through Ohio, he was delighted to find so many Bank games. That is until he met Donnie Anderson. That was the end of Youngblood's bankroll.

Maybe the best pure hustler of them all was Pete Glenn. Pete looked like your local bank manager or insurance salesman just out for a friendly game of pool. But he was a wolf in sheep's clothing, robbing countless players in four states for over forty years. They must have been glad when he relocated to Arizona. His sons Denny and Steve, have one of the world's largest collections of high end cues. They can play a little too, but not like dad.

Then there was the grand daddy of them all, the Jack Cooney of his era. I'm talking about Don Willis. Everyone knew his name but few people knew what he looked like. Don was an unpretensious man, barely over 5'6" tall. He had a little round belly and slicked back hair. He didn't say much and never carried a cue with him. He would come into a room and scope out the action, already aware of who the top players were and what kind of games went on in there. Don came prepared. Before long he would have the best player in the room betting maximum dollars and the rest of the poolroom emptying out on their man. I mean, this guy certainly didn't look like the world beater that he was. By the time people found out who he was, he was long gone. Don Willis was the Lone Ranger of his era.

Okay, that's enough for now. Hope you enjoyed my little ode to Ohio's old days.
 
Jay, I was hoping that ribbing you about Mergards in your Birthday thread might shake loose an Ohio story and you came through for me!

Of course I'm quite a bit younger that you, LOL not that much really, I'll be 60 in October, but I was born and raised in Cincinnati. I graduated from West High (on the other side of town from most of the pool action) in 1968 and as many of us did during that time I enlisted in the Navy and was all over the US for a couple of years and then did 2 tours WestPac (Vietnam) on the USS Enterprise. While I was away fighting the war, my family up and moved to Miami Florida. I fooled them and found them in Miami and lived there until 1981. I was away from the area for 13 years and missed a lot of what you remember. I never stepped foot in either Mergards or Jerry's Palace which were 2 notorious action rooms from slightly different eras, both were closed before I moved back to Cincy in '81. But when I moved back, I bought a bar in Price Hill and put in an 8' Valley and a 9' National coin-op(which is a rare bird) and started getting in to the Cincinnati "pool scene". Didn't take me too long to run into Gary Spaeth! After he drummed me good for a week or so I finally realized the chasm between my skills and his. I'd been used to "holding my own" with about anyone I ran into playing in the bars, but I found out what the "big fish in a little pond" really meant when I tried playing with REAL POOL PLAYERS! We quickly became best of friends, Gary and I. Through Gary I got to know Joey very well as we all piled in my "Big Red" Cadillac 5 nights a week, usually, going to one tournament or another. In 1985 Royal Family Billiards of Oakley was about to close. I sold my bar and bought the poolroom with Joey and Gary kind of spurring me on. I hired Joey as my manager due to his knowledge of the pool world and business. Gary also helped out and was a house pro. only a year or so went by when I got the call from Marie Spaeth, Gary's mom and Joey's wife, telling me that Joey had passed away early that morning and she wasn't able to reach Gary to break the news to him. I was left with that responsibility, which wasn't easy! Gary and I did a lot of "road work" over the years and became as close as 2 heterosexual men could be! I loved him like a brother and eventually ended up with the dubious distinction of having been a Pall Bearer at both Joey and Gary's funerals. I've been friends with Donnie Anderson and Clem Metz since my early days when I first started running with Gary. I had a weekly poker game at my house for several years and Clem was a regular fixture in that game. He told me a lot of road stories. Steve Cook was a good friend of mine also. He played with one of my cues up til his death! I got to know George Rood from going to Airway Billiards in Dayton. He's always been a class act and still plays amazingly well for his age. I'd back him against anyone his age on earth. The rest of the players I've heard of through pool room legend but never really got to see them play. Besides these mentioned players there were several others, some of which played close to their speeds. Billy & Ricky Carrelli, Butch Baker, Melvin Taylor, Ralph Black, Jim Borschelt, Thorny Lindsey, Mike Medley, young Johnny Brumback, Rick Garrison, Joe "Lawrence"or Robinson, Mark Link etc... are the names that come to mind as the next generation of top area players, but Gary was always the "top gun" from about '82 until his death in 2000.
Jason Miller used to run around with us starting when he was about 14 and was a student and prodigy of Gary's. Joe Brown was another of "our group" back then.

Fun to think about those days gone by, knowing that the world has changed so much in the last 30 years that the younger generation can never really know how it was.

Sherm -

Since most of us know of and have seen Jason, how would he fair against Gary? Was Jason a student or just got schooled?

I saw Gary only once at DCC, and was blown away.

Secondly, when I lived up there in Liberty Township a couple years ago, I was told that Micheal of Micheal's Billiards was tough action for most road bankers. Never seen him play, but he was always great to me.

Ken
 
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