Has anyone else seen the new series of articals on CTE by Roger Long?

JB Cases said:
Thank you. I was wondering if I had spatial perception. I wasn't sure because when I was younger I was springboard diver and a trampolinist both on the amateur level and professionally. One of my signature dives was called a spotter where I had to walk briskly to the end of the diving board, jump up once and come down on the end, do a back flip where I landed back on the diving board and then spring forward performing a 2 and 1/2 somersault into a pool that was only 18ft across and 9ft off the ground with the ledge being only 2ft across and the end of the board being very near the edge.
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Yawn. Here's a diver with spatial perception.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDMMYT3vkTk
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I seriously doubt this, even if your first chapters go to 11. And if you could, against all odds, do it, how useful is "exactness" that takes 10 chapters to demonstrate? Aiming methods that are truly "exact" are obviously so and don't need CDs and math theses to prove it.

CTE is useful to many despite not being exact, and CTE boosters are painting themselves into a credibility corner by putting so many of their eggs in that very weak basket.

pj
chgo
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Wow! Welcome back PJ, I have missed your levity.
 
JB Cases said:
Learning to use the Ghost Ball method is not a shortcut? I don't really know what I am talking about but I seem to remember in one of these threads where a reported snooker pro said something about the balls being motionless until you shoot them. So wouldn't they themselves be fixed points of reference in relation to each other and the pocket position. The only real variable to me seems to be the cue stick placement.

Otherwise I agree one article does not make a series and the author of the article can't tell us how CTE works or does not work by his own admission so the series is going to be about why people disagree vehemently?

Maybe the author will surprise us with an instructional on how to use CTE. Perhaps he solved the question he posed in the orginal piece and the remaining installments will clear it all up.

I am on on pins and needles with the suspense. Where do I subscribe?
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No, ghost ball is not a shortcut. For how I see it, ghost ball is a visualization method used over long periods of time in order to play any pool game at the highest level.

Can you show me a target on the object where the contact point is? Can you show me where the on the cue ball the contact point is that is needed to meet the object ball contact point? No, you can't.

If you think that the only real variable is stick placement, you have not been paying attention to your stance then. That is the biggest thing that is overlooked.

To get to the next level, you must do and not think.

FWIW
 
Hairy-Redneck said:
The number of posts don't measure a person, you negative old man. And when I do grow up I definately don't want to be like you: an old washed up pool bum (with no friends).
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I was never good enough in the first place to be washed up now :-)

And about the number of posts: perhaps they don't give the measure of a man, but the quality of the posts do. So here is what we *can* measure you by:

"I am a CTE and a 90/90 user and it would be great to split Superstar's wig online."

"Has Doctor Dave ever won a tournament? No???? I'm not surprised."

"So I guess your another pathetic apa skill level 5 that talks shit online?"

"I doubt this chump would accept a challenge match. he probably uses a jock strap as a thong."

"those videos are about as useful as a 1 legged man in an arse kicking contest."

"Lou, why are you such an a$$?"

And of course we have the gem you just posted above.


So like I said: come back when you grow up, girl ;-)

Lou Figueroa
that was too easy
 
JB Cases said:
Lou mentioned the spot on the wall kicking system that he used in his match against Efren. Such a system is definitely a shortcut to the -trial and error do it a million times - method of kicking three rails.
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Is it a short cut? Yes. Is it exact? No. Can you use it for all three rail kicks? No. Do you have to make adjustments? Yes.

It's pretty much the same for CTE.

Lou Figueroa
 
JB Cases said:
I was only talking about the fact that it's a short cut. I wasn't trying to debate the merits of it or compare it to CTE. I wonder though how you can know so much about something you don't know how to do nor use. Or do you know how to use CTE?

At the risk of getting into trouble with you again I am going to go ahead and say that you and Patrick are making too much of the word exact.

How precise something is, especially when dealing with something like this is very subjective. The results can really only be measured by the amount of shots made. One would assume that if a person is not fundamentally flawed in other areas and he makes the majority of his shots then he can conclude that the method he is using to aim is precise or exact enough for him.

That's what I would think at least. So when Stan Shuffet or Dave Segal say it's exact then they are defining a range of precision rather than saying that if a person follows the directions then they will be 100% in line every time to make every shot. I guess.

I would just echo Dave's statement that pocket billiards is a pretty easy activity to measure results in. Either the ball went in the hole or it didn't.

What I don't really get is how when you and Pat say you don't use CTE, have no desire to learn it, and don't consider it to be much more than self-hypnosis that you can speak so authoritatively on what it is and how precise it is or isn't.

I can certainly understand speaking about something you know about. I mean if you tried it, if you called Hal and got the information from the source, if you had any instruction whatsoever in the method then I could certainly understand taking an authoritative approach.

But I really don't see how you or Pat can speak to this subject with anything other than simply your opinions. Pat says his opinions are based on high school geometry and I have to assume that yours probably come from your professed idea that nothing is better than hitting a million balls and finding your own method. I can understand both points of view. We all can only look at the world through our own experiences.

Which is why it's so puzzling to me that you and Pat would both seek to decry other people's experiences, Stan's, Dave's and others who report success with these methods.

Well, no matter what the world keeps turning. All of you who want to see pool grow should encourage everyone to get off the computer and out to the pool rooms to try out as many possible techniques as they can - practice, experiment, test your skills in battle, play pool and rack up table time!
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I don't think I've ever said I don't know how to use CTE. I may/probably have said I don't use it.

And the way I got my info was the day I was sitting at my desk at home, about six years ago, and Hal called me completely out of the blue, and gave me the telephone tutorial that I suspect you and many others have gotten at one time or another. This was after he asked me on RSB whether I wanted to learn about a system the pros used called center to edge, over the phone. At the time I said something like: no. I don't want to discuss it over the phone, but if he was ever coming to St. Louis, I'd buy dinner and we could discuss it over a pool table. Then he ends up calling me anyway.

So I have been to the mountain top, or I guess the mountain came to me.

Lou Figueroa
 
stan shuffett said:
8pack, Your technique is fine. I watched a video of you playing a few months back. Yes, for sure, the video will fill in any voids that you are experiencing.

Thanks for your interest,

Stan
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Thanks for the info Mr Shuffett,will be buying your dvd.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Ok, how do you use CTE?
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Like I said: I don't use it :-)

Only a little more seriously: give me a few months to throw together some CAD drawings, videos, equations, air and hip pivots, and a few cha-cha-cha's and I'll get back to you on that.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Like I said: I don't use it :-)

Only a little more seriously: give me a few months to throw together some CAD drawings, videos, equations, air and hip pivots, and a few cha-cha-cha's and I'll get back to you on that.

Lou Figueroa
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That's what I thought. Not sure what you did in the military, but it prob had something to do with weather balloons (blowing them up by your mouth).
 
lfigueroa said:
Like I said: I don't use it :-)

Only a little more seriously: give me a few months to throw together some CAD drawings, videos, equations, air and hip pivots, and a few cha-cha-cha's and I'll get back to you on that.

Lou Figueroa
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Someone said that they have spent a lot of time reverse engineering the ghost ball to convert it to CTE....not parsimonious.:confused:
 
If Roger sees this thread, he just might cancel the article. "These guys argue for 8 pages (!) and I haven't even said anything yet?!?!? WTF kind of sh!t storm am I about to step into?"
 
SpiderWebComm said:
That's what I thought. Not sure what you did in the military, but it prob had something to do with weather balloons (blowing them up by your mouth).
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No, I did a number of different things while in the Air Force -- like spend four years on a missile crew -- but meteorology wasn't one of them. But it's always good to know a young guy such as yourself respects and honors the military service of those of us that stood in the defense and security of our country. Enjoy :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
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mosconiac said:
If Roger sees this thread, he just might cancel the article. "These guys argue for 8 pages (!) and I haven't even said anything yet?!?!? WTF kind of sh!t storm am I about to step into?"
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Why it's "CTE: The Perfect Storm" :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
No, I did a number of different things while in the Air Force -- like spend four years on a missile crew -- but meterology wasn't one of them. But it's always good to know a young guy such as yourself respects and honors the military service of those of us that stood in the defense and security of our country. Enjoy :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Alert ....Low Blow
That will cost you a point . 10-8 round lol
 
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lfigueroa said:
Well, Joey, I guess I could come up with an alias, sign on, make a dozen posts, and write something about you that I didn't have the guts to say under my own signature, too -- but somehow I've never had to resort to that to make my point ;-)

Lou Figueroa
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At least we can agree on that point. I've never had any use for people who uses multiple, anonymous aliases to snipe at posters.

I also don't have much use for posters who use anonymity as their shield just so that they can make disparaging remarks about any posters.

"Hairy red-neck" looks like a genuine article to me but who knows? I just thought it was funny that Hairy could spot you right off the bat. ;-)
 
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