Most Overrated Players

Freddie's quote is from the Ervolino-Sigel one pocket match from 1991 or 1992.

Parica said "Anyone in here has the eight....EXCEPT Johnny Archer!" at a Sands (Reno) event in the early nineties. Same event where Archer beat Varner 13-1 and looked like he couldn't miss if he wanted to on those bucket tables.

Basavich was doing as well as any US player before he got sick...I don't blame him for quitting pool basically. Risk your health for peanuts? F that.
 
Interesting thread ... I know Hillbilly pretty well and I think he'd be the first to tell you that his first focus isn't playing anymore - it's trying to get his websites, seminars and other business interests solidified and running.

If the original poster ever decides to match up with Hillbilly or Double J given the fact that they're "overrated", let me know and I'll take a big piece of that.

Having watched both those two play numerous times against a variety of competition and each other, let's just say "overrated" isn't a term that I would use.
 
Gatz said:
I'm going to get burned for writing down this list. But this is strictly my opinion and I'm not going to write down why I think each one is overrated just because it would make this thread a war. I have my own reasons why I think these players are overrated. This is just my opinion of who I think are over rated players. This is based primarily on 9ball 10ball skill. I would just like to add that I think you can still be one of the top players in the world and still be overrated.

In no particular order....

-Charlie Bryant
-Charlie Williams
-Dennis Orcollo
-John Schmidt
-Gabe Owen
-Corey Deuel
-Darren Appleton
-Marcus Chamat (Where has this guy been btw?)
-Propoolplayer (you watch any ustream pool you know who this guy is)
-Thorsten Hohmann
-Mike Dechaine
-Tony Drago
-Danny Harriman
-Raj Hundal
-Jasmin Ouschan
-Jeanette Lee
-Jose Parica
Almost forgot...
-Imran Majid (thanks to Jim for reminding me this one)
-Jeremy Jones
-Daryl Peach

All these players are great and I'm sure great people, but to me are all overrated some way or another in the game of 9ball/10ball.

Some of you might be wondering why I put Dennis on there. He is a great player and the best one on that list but he is still overrated to me because he is looked at like a "GOD" and everyone thinks hes the favorite in every tournament he enters. But he fails to get it done most of the time. Hes just a bit overrated in my opinion.

He is also called the number 1 player or money player in the world by many but once again still fails to get the cheese. For example Yang has beaten him twice for the cheese. Yangs probably the most underrated player I know.

Some of these players get "HYPED" up way to much.
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Not sure how anyone can say a US Open Champ is overrated, nor a World Champ

But hey, we're all entitled to an opinion.
 
Rich93 said:
Johnnyt, I have to say I think this is a bad idea for a thread. Who are we to criticize these guys and gals who play better than virtually all of us?

Not many pro players post here but some probably lurk. If I were a pro player and got named in this thread, it wouldn't make me think kindly of AZB'ers, even though it may have been only one person who named me.
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That's exactly how I felt when I opened this thread the other day.
 
asbani said:
Niels Feijen ,Tony drago, Daryl Peach and Danny Basavich (kid delicious)

I think they are ovverated, They good players, but not that great. they are just alright and thats pretty much it, and some of them are boring to watch on TV, for example Niels feijen, he spins the table a hundred times and is so slow player which bores me to death.

the 4 players mentioned above are bad for TV Tables imo.
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Drago bad for tv ?? is it cause he makes it look too easy or is he just slow and boring lol
 
I think it is fair to have a thread like this. Of course, all of these guys are top notch players. Doesn't mean people can't critique them or analyze them.

For example, just because NHL, NBA, NFL players are elite doesn't mean people can't argue about certain players being overrated at their level. It happens all the time- people debate whether LeBron is overrated, Manning, etc. Just because they are at a level far beyond the average weekend warrior doesn't mean you can't analyze their game
 
Rich93 said:
Johnnyt, I have to say I think this is a bad idea for a thread. Who are we to criticize these guys and gals who play better than virtually all of us?

Not many pro players post here but some probably lurk. If I were a pro player and got named in this thread, it wouldn't make me think kindly of AZB'ers, even though it may have been only one person who named me.
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I haven't posted on this thread partly because of what you have stated. However, I think what Gatz said in his post (not necessarily the players) is what Johnnyt was asking. John Schmidts post brings home the point indirectly that it's not the players who have over rated themselves it is we the fans. They players are just doing what we would all love to be doing (under rated or over rated). I hope no pros take offense to this thread, they shouldn't. Now having said all of this I still think John and Danny need to work on their woofing punctuation. :grin:
 
I love how some of you are telling me to come play some of these guys lol. I never once said I was better nor did I claim to be. Most of those players have been in my opinion "HYPED" up way to much and are overrated.

Don't get me wrong their all great players, but I sitll think their overrated. Like I said, you can still be the best and be overrated I think.

I also don't think there is any skill to get to where you can't get any better. In my opinion these players are highly regarded as being better than they actually are.

Also some of you are speaking of different games. I clearly said 9ball and 10ball only. Some of these guys are way better at different games than there rotation type games. I highlighted it alittle better for some of you this time.
 
overrated implies that at one time someone rated them extremely competitive in the pool world. Usually at that moment they were. Pool is one of those sports where the money involved is not enough to sustain a huge base of players. People move in and out of the game based on their life situations, so I dont think its fair to call someone "overrated".

I didnt read the whole thread but the first page had a bunch of names whom I thought...man if that player were playing everyday under pressure...look out!
 
Gatz said:
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Don't get me wrong their all great players, but I sitll think their overrated. Like I said, you can still be the best and be overrated I think.

I clearly said 9ball and 10ball only. Some of these guys are way better at different games than there rotation type games. I highlighted it alittle better for some of you this time.
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Just coz your opinion is wrong doesn't mean you gotta get all !

Did I mention you are wrong? There is logic trouble in your conclusion:
It is not possible for one to be "...the best and be overrated...".

ANd the list is wrong too.
 
9 and 10 ball are horrible ways to classify any player. On any given day they can win or lose. I was at the Reno open a few years ago and sat down to watch my favorite player, Ralph Souquet go two and out against "nobody's". Surprising since he won a major just a month before.

A race to nine, winner break. A great player might not even get to the table.


Gatz said:
I love how some of you are telling me to come play some of these guys lol. I never once said I was better nor did I claim to be. Most of those players have been in my opinion "HYPED" up way to much and are overrated.

Don't get me wrong their all great players, but I sitll think their overrated. Like I said, you can still be the best and be overrated I think.

I also don't think there is any skill to get to where you can't get any better. In my opinion these players are highly regarded as being better than they actually are.

Also some of you are speaking of different games. I clearly said 9ball and 10ball only. Some of these guys are way better at different games than there rotation type games. I highlighted it alittle better for some of you this time.
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I don't get the concept of a pro being overrated. To me the people who are overrated are the people who can't play but call themselves instructors and charge for lessons bascially trying to trick people into thinking they are pros.

Once you have attained the level of pro I don't think your game is overrated.
 
If you get listed in the over rated list then at least your rated....which is pretty cool....lol
 
Gatz said:
I love how some of you are telling me to come play some of these guys lol. I never once said I was better nor did I claim to be. Most of those players have been in my opinion "HYPED" up way to much and are overrated.

Don't get me wrong their all great players, but I sitll think their overrated. Like I said, you can still be the best and be overrated I think.

I also don't think there is any skill to get to where you can't get any better. In my opinion these players are highly regarded as being better than they actually are.

Also some of you are speaking of different games. I clearly said 9ball and 10ball only. Some of these guys are way better at different games than there rotation type games. I highlighted it alittle better for some of you this time.
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But some of the "overrated players" have proven themselves as champions at both of those games so I say again how are they overrated. Most people look at their caliber in a general category of PRO caliber. Not open, not shortstop but pro. Just like in golf some weeks people are on and other weeks they aren't.
 
jay helfert said:
I can think of a couple, one who frequently posts on here (not John Schmidt). I'd rather not name names. That's not too cool. Meanwhile, I'm a legend in my own mind. Do you think I'm over rated? :rolleyes:
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Jay your what we would call underrated. We could do a poll! These guys are all great pool players. It would really suck to play great and come on here and see this thread. Just because they are mostley men that we all want to beat doesnt mean that they dont have a feeling or two. ooooouch!!!
 
I think threads like these invite dissension and hurt feelings. It makes for open season for the masses to take pot shots at the best players in the world. But, it's free speech here, so have at it.

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Getting to the top or near the top in the game of pool is a very difficult thing. Staying there is even harder. The games and the action you got getting to the top isn't going to be there any more.

It's like making love to your girl friend or your wife. Getting on top is easy. Staying on top after your call her the wrong name. No easty feat!

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john schmidt said:
i think gatz is misinformed to put it nicely.
i think everyone on his list is a great player.as for me being overated if someone said i was the best on earth or something that would be overating me.
i think im a solid player as is everybody else on that list.

anyway yes threads like this is why hardly any top player but me is dumb enough to hang around azb.
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John... hopefully, describing yourself as 'dumb' for participating on AZB was said with tongue in cheek.

Everybody who competes publicly has to know that they'll find detractors among the crowd. Some of the detractors are just offering opinions with no disrespect intended. Unfortunately, there are also those who, for whatever reason, just like taking their shot at knocking... they're the losers.

I'd venture a guess that all pro athletes suffer these kind of fools at one time or another. I've heard people dish on Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, WIlt Chamberlin, etc, etc. And you ain't no Babe Ruth :)))))

I'm sure it's easier said than done, but you gotta' laugh at (and feel sorry for) the idiots... not allow them to keep you from interacting with people who share a mutual respect, ie. MOST of the crowd here!

Unfortunately, while I'm sure the OP didn't intend it to be, this kind of thread opens the doors for some that, unlike yourself, shouldn't be posting here.

All the best,
bob
 
I want to apologize to all the pro players that were named in this thread and anyone else that is offended. I clearly stated the fans thought certain players were better than their stats show them to be. Most of this is from fans living in the same area or state that the player is from. I in no way meant the names of any of the 90% that have been posted here already or that the players themselves thought they were better than they are. I should have known where this thread would go and never should have started it. It’s clear from the % of responses on the thread that said it was a bad thread to start, and I agree now. Johnnyt
 
john schmidt said:
i think gatz is misinformed to put it nicely.
i think everyone on his list is a great player.as for me being overated if someone said i was the best on earth or something that would be overating me.
i think im a solid player as is everybody else on that list.

anyway yes threads like this is why hardly any top player but me is dumb enough to hang around azb.
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john you know there will always be haters.
az billiards is no diff.
im told im overated all the time.
the thing is ask the guys who have played me or you
or any good player
see if they say that.
thats who we should care about what they say of our game.
good luck vs alex should be a good match.
 
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