Most Overrated Players

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poolplayer2093 said:
i don't see nothing wrong with this. if your goal is to make cheddar then the softer the action the better
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PP2093,

I'd love to respond to what you said, cause I think there's a little dig there somewhere! :grin: BUT...I don't speak hip-hop. I either have to Google your phrase and hope something comes up or else wait until one of the younger bucks reads your post, chimes in and gives me the interpretation!

Wait a minute.....ok, I Googled "make cheddar than the softer the action the better" and this was the first up.....http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100623155446AAOZPDu

So, in keeping with the theme of this thread, the most under-rated cheese is Blue Cheese, followed closely, in my opinion, by cheddar cheese.
Maybe that is just co-incidental. I'm thoroughly confused now. :grin:
 
Tell me you don't think Daryl Peach is overrated? If he can win the WORLD pool championships then tell me why can't John win the US open?

I have almost every US open match from 2000 and above and I definitely have every final. Some of the players that won it that I think are overrated played well over their regular speed. I still think the gravity of the tournament far proceeds their actual playing skill. Very rarely will they play that speed ever again. Francisco for example plays that kinda speed quite often.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't John go 2 and out the next year defending his title, no?. That don't seem very consistent and US Open championship like.

Don't get me wrong John and the others I listed could beat anybody at anytime. I just don't think their as consistent as everyone perceives them to be. I do agree that John's 14.1 game is second to none no doubt.
 
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As I said in my earlier post.

I don't understand how anyone can say that a World Champ or US Open Champ is overrated.

I would feel differently if alot of hype was handed down on a player, who has never produced a major championship, string of major tournament wins, etc.. but many of the players mentioned in a previous post have earned the privilege to be called world-beaters, by winning major championships.

I still don't understand how anything positive can become of a thread like this one, but if you just HAVE to classify someone, be fair and honest about it and let the facts be the deciding factor and not personal unrelated feelings get in the way of sound judgment.
 
Gatz said:
So everybody should agree with, suck up to, the pros that come on here that post?
You and I should be treated no differently on this forum.
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Hello Gatz,

Just a quick point or two from my perspective. Agreeing with a pro should be no different than agreeing with a non pro member here. It is what it is, an agreement with whatever was said. I don't think the pro player who does contribute here should be held to an even HIGHER standard by saying that it's ok to agree with a non pro, but if someone agrees with a PRO, then they're a nuthugger???? That's not a fair standard to hold against the pros.

Second, I personally believe that the pro player who contributes here should be given a little extra slack in some things. For example, if someone disputes who is a tougher player, in all probability, the pro who has actually tangled with whoever it is that's being discussed should in fact know better than someone who has no first hand knowledge.

I don't know if I'm making sense or not. My head's still spinning trying to decipher my buddy poolplayer2093's post! :confused:

Said another way, and this may be far more crude way of putting it, but if the members here had to vote someone off our forum, and the choice was between any pro and YOU or any pro and ME, guess what? We're history!
More people tune in to hear what a real pro player, especially an elite champion like John Schmidt, has to say than they do to read what any old plain kibitzers like us have to say.

And that's fair. And that's how it should be.
 
Gatz said:
Tell me you don't think Daryl Peach is overrated? If he can win the WORLD pool championships then tell me why can't John win the US open?

I have almost every US open match from 2000 and above and I definitely have every final. Some of the players that won it that I think are overrated played well over their regular speed. I still think the gravity of the tournament far proceeds their actual playing skill. Very rarely will they play that speed ever again. Francisco for example plays that kinda speed quite often.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't John go 2 and out the next year defending his title, no?. That don't seem very consistent and US Open championship like.

Don't get me wrong John and the others I listed could beat anybody at anytime. I just don't think their as consistent as everyone perceives them to be. I do agree that John's 14.1 game is second to none no doubt.
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I'm not going to argue with you on this bud. I can appreciate your passion and knowledge about the sport, and I have seen the videos you've posted of yourself shooting. You obviously know your way around the table in your own right.

I'm not sure how old you are, and maybe you still have some of these life lessons to learn, but you took quite a healthy amount of poetic justice in judging the validity and skill of a long list of pro players who've dedicatied themselves, worked hard, and achieved a lot in this sport. And this isn't baseball where you can call into the local radio station, crap on a player, and get a T shirt or a voucher for a discount on a case of keystone. I'm sure you and everyone else on this forum would be suprised at how many pro's probably lurk on this forum when they're bored. They love pool just the same as we do.

These players don't deserve judgment on how they play or whether they're worthy of what they've accomplished. Have some reverence for the snow leopards who inhabit the top of the peak
 
If people are gonna list a player as overrated, I think they should probably provide some explanation for the choice, otherwise it's not much of a discussion, just arbitrary lists.

What makes one overrated? I saw Imran Majid listed, I would agree if he were touted as a favorite in every major event. But to my knoweledge he is only ever mentioned as a dark horse. Same with Daryl Peach, he was highly thought of for a while, but hasn't done much on the international stage since his world title. Everyone pulls for Tony cause he is such a fan favorite, but I'm not sure how many people are confidently betting their money on him when faced with a player like Mika Immonen or Shane Van Boening.

I saw Danny Basivich, i think that is more a product of his book sales and tv appearances that called him the number 1 player in the world at one point and former World Champion. But I haven't seen him play enough to make any decisions for myself.
 
Most Overrated players

Matt Stockman said:
I'm not going to argue with you on this bud. I can appreciate your passion and knowledge about the sport, and I have seen the videos you've posted of yourself shooting. You obviously know your way around the table in your own right.

I'm not sure how old you are, and maybe you still have some of these life lessons to learn, but you took quite a healthy amount of poetic justice in judging the validity and skill of a long list of pro players who've dedicatied themselves, worked hard, and achieved a lot in this sport. And this isn't baseball where you can call into the local radio station, crap on a player, and get a T shirt or a voucher for a discount on a case of keystone. I'm sure you and everyone else on this forum would be suprised at how many pro's probably lurk on this forum when they're bored. They love pool just the same as we do.

These players don't deserve judgment on how they play or whether they're worthy of what they've accomplished. Have some reverence for the snow leopards who inhabit the top of the peak
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reminds me of a coworkers statement "I don't mind if he climbs the ladder of success , I just wish he didn't have to step on my neck to get there".
 
Gatz said:
Because I think your overrated your saying you should leave this forum?

So everybody should agree with, suck up to, the pros that come on here that post? It's a forum, if you can't handle some flak or a simple difference in opinion with someone you shouldn't be on here to begin with.

Anytime someone mentions something about you don't like, you instantly get defensive and ask to play for thousands of dollars and remind everyone that you run 100's in 14.1 regularly. It's like you're insecure with something. Infact the only time I actually do see you participate in this forum is when someone mentions your name. It's either your way, or no way.

If someone for example, like you, gets good at a particular sport, gets a lot of media coverage etc... there will always be people critiquing your skills, professionalism etc...I'm not a "HATER", like some people call it. I just think your 9ball/10ball game is overrated. I would consider this a compliment because you get so much attention.

Someone asked a question about peoples opinion about whos overrated and I'm pretty much the only one to give a list of people that "I" think are overrated.

Everyone will come on here get mad, call me out, take your side, blah, blah, blah. Well sorry John, I'm not going to hang off your balls because you've achieved something many people will never accomplish in life. You and I should be treated no differently on this forum.
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oh please! :rolleyes: He's been on here to say Atta boy to some newbies on their accomplishments. And he pipes in when people mention his name to offer thanks. He has his opinions like we all do, and I happen to value them more than most given his battle record. At my work in the computer world, people listen more to the gurus than the newbies. It's the same everywhere.
 
Isn't it a pity
Now, isn't it a shame
How we break each other's hearts
And cause each other pain
How we take each other's love
Without thinking anymore
Forgetting to give back
Isn't it a pity

Some things take so long
But how do I explain
When not too many people
Can see we're all the same
And because of all their tears
Their eyes can't hope to see
The beauty that surrounds them
Isn't it a pity
 
I'm in no way saying I'm better than any of those players I listed. I would probably need the "ORANGE" crush from all of them to even compete. I think their all great players and I have a lot of respect for players that can and do try to make a living at this game because I certainly couldn't do it. But I just don't think their as consistent as everyone makes them out to be. Either it be from fans or media.
 
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Terry Ardeno said:
Chris,

I apologize for leaving your name off my list earlier in this thread of pros who post here that we're very appreciative of. You definitely belong in the first rank. And I went back and edited my original post to add your name. My oversight. And I promise it won't happen again. :)

I also should have mentioned Larry Nevel also as another one who I'm grateful that posts here. Larry sometimes takes heat for some of the ways he conducts himself, but he is without a doubt, a very talented and elite player. I like when he posts.

Too bad Dennis Hatch doesn't post like he did when he was campaigning for a spot on the Mosconi Cup. Danny Harriman comes & goes also.

Shawn Putnam, I like him and his game a lot. I wish he posted more.

But the top crew is, in nor particular order, Grady, Billy, Freddy the Beard, Jay, Chris Bartram, John Schmidt, Dick McMorran (SJD) and Larry Nevel. These are the regular contributers here and they are all very appreciated!

If I forgot any more, please forgive me.
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no problem terry
but this is te last time you can forget to put me on your list.:smile:
 
Bunch of over sensitive people on this thread. Nobody.....let me repeat NOBODY on this thread ever said that someone else could not play or that any pro was not a pro. Ok, there is that Fast Lenny character. :grin:


1) ALL pros are players.
2) NOT all players are pros.
3) Competitive players EARN their "RANKINGS" by their performance,
pro or amateur!
4) Players get "RATED" by fans, friends, enemies, peers, etc.
5) This is usually a "GROUP" rating.
6) ANYONE can have their "OPINION" if the player is over or under rated.
This opinion can be based on ANYTHING. It is call a critical opinion.
7) ANY "Professional" should be able to handle criticism.

Jeezsh!!:speechless:
 
i feel ya

Gatz said:
I'm in no way saying I'm better than any of those players I listed. I would probably need the "ORANGE" crush from all of them to even compete. I think their all great players and I have a lot of respect for players that can and do try to make a living at this game because I certainly couldn't do it. But I just don't think their as consistent as everyone makes them out to be. Either it be from fans or media.
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maybe youve just seen me play bad a few times etc.
actually i did go 2 and out that year in open.i had also played with a bob hunter standard deflection shaft for 10 years. a week before open i started using a low deflection shaft because they paid me and i could not make my spin shots very good etc.sometimes us pros play bad but theres more then meets the eye.
for the record ive played about 100 9ball tourneys in my career winning like 35 of them. if u think i cant and dont play world class 9 0r 10 ball on a regular basis i dont know what to say.its not like the usopen is the only tourney ive won.

anyway besides me the list of players you put up to basically insult shows that u dont know much so im going to cut u some slack.

for the record i was very polite to you in my first post. you then went off on me im not sure why.anyway u have a right to your opinion i just think your having a bad day. your probably a good guy and if we meet you will see im pretty easy to get along with if givin a chance. later
 
john schmidt said:
maybe youve just seen me play bad a few times etc.
actually i did go 2 and out that year in open.i had also played with a bob hunter standard deflection shaft for 10 years. a week before open i started using a low deflection shaft because they paid me and i could not make my spin shots very good etc.sometimes us pros play bad but theres more then meets the eye.
for the record ive played about 100 9ball tourneys in my career winning like 35 of them. if u think i cant and dont play world class 9 0r 10 ball on a regular basis i dont know what to say.its not like the usopen is the only tourney ive won.

anyway besides me the list of players you put up to basically insult shows that u dont know much so im going to cut u some slack.

for the record i was very polite to you in my first post. you then went off on me im not sure why.anyway u have a right to your opinion i just think your having a bad day. your probably a good guy and if we meet you will see im pretty easy to get along with if givin a chance. later
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john u are a top of the line player .just look at ur offer no one wants to come play u that there tells just how good u really play.i know u are suppose to play alex but i dont see nobody else playing alex for big money every time they do they lose.john dont listen to all the haters u are a great player that is working his way to the hall of fame
 
Tbeaux said:
:o Ummmm Jay I feel silly asking this........who is/was Bunny Rogoff??:o
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You mean you never heard of Bunny The Rogue, Pots and Pans or Bunny the Bellhop? Yes Mr. Bernard Rogoff has been called all these things and more. And still going strong in his 80's. A pretty fair country player as well. He won the BCA Seniors a few years back.
 
jay helfert said:
You mean you never heard of Bunny The Rogue, Pots and Pans or Bunny the Bellhop? Yes Mr. Bernard Rogoff has been called all these things and more. And still going strong in his 80's. A pretty fair country player as well. He won the BCA Seniors a few years back.
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Jimmy Reid said Bunny could give everybody in the world the 8 pretending to be drunk while getting the cash.
 
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