When Did it Come to This?

[ridewiththewind]

Arguments have taken center-stage over pool, and AZB has a cavernous rift running through it. Common decency and respect are all but gone. On any given day, members are choosing up sides like they're getting ready for a school-yard brawl. As the du juor antagonists face-off...you can hear the collective chant of 'Fight, fight, fight!' echoing throughout. It's as if our once common love of the game has degraded to a blood-sport.

No longer is it 'okay' to have differing opinions, and to move on. It has become an imperative that there be a triumphant. The reality is, there are no winners in such actions...as the wounds inflicted begin to fester until eventually, the entirety is compromised beyond reversal.

In the past, I have looked to AZB as a respite...where I could share thoughts about the game I love, where I could research and learn new things, where I could find out the latest on the players we revere so, see new products and cues...and to share a smile. It is less of that now than it has ever been...and I feel like I am losing an old friend.

Lisa

 

[SUPERSTAR]

First!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Philthepockets]

It's just another form of road rage and the bravery of being out of range, welcome to the human race.

 

[cowboyup200560]

Finally

Finally someone said what I have been thinking. Thank you Lisa and rep to you

John

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Arguments have taken center-stage over pool, and AZB has a cavernous rift running through it. Common decency and respect are all but gone. On any given day, members are choosing up sides like they're getting ready for a school-yard brawl. As the du juor antagonists face-off...you can hear the collective chant of 'Fight, fight, fight!' echoing throughout. It's as if our once common love of the game has degraded to a blood-sport.

No longer is it 'okay' to have differing opinions, and to move on. It has become an imperative that there be a triumphant. The reality is, there are no winners in such actions...as the wounds inflicted begin to fester until eventually, the entirety is compromised beyond reversal.

In the past, I have looked to AZB as a respite...where I could share thoughts about the game I love, where I could research and learn new things, where I could find out the latest on the players we revere so, see new products and cues...and to share a smile. It is less of that now than it has ever been...and I feel like I am losing an old friend.

Lisa

Ok now, with all due respect.

Are you really coming on here asking this, when you yourself, ripped off a newbies head and basically told him to stuff it because you didn't like his opinion?

You did say this in the other thread, right?

Since you are new here...it should be pointed out that unless it is a case of an outright transgression, ie; ripping someone off, as an example...the first banning is a short 30-day vacation. Also, since you are new here...it might be made mention that you have no clue as to how long the members in question have been valued here. You might do well to either do your homework, or keep your uninformed opinions to yourself, as opposed to bandwagon jumping.

Don't be ripping people's heads off one day and then wonder why the forum isn't more peaceful without looking at yourself first.

 

[mia]

Ok now, with all due respect.

Are you really coming on here asking this, when you yourself, ripped off a newbies head and basically told him to stuff it because you didn't like his opinion?

You did say this in the other thread, right?



Don't be ripping people's heads off one day and then wonder why the forum isn't more peaceful without looking at yourself first.

I couldn't help but think the same thing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dUfykR-_g

 

[GoTulane]

My take.

Arguments have taken center-stage over pool, and AZB has a cavernous rift running through it. Common decency and respect are all but gone. On any given day, members are choosing up sides like they're getting ready for a school-yard brawl. As the du juor antagonists face-off...you can hear the collective chant of 'Fight, fight, fight!' echoing throughout. It's as if our once common love of the game has degraded to a blood-sport.

No longer is it 'okay' to have differing opinions, and to move on. It has become an imperative that there be a triumphant. The reality is, there are no winners in such actions...as the wounds inflicted begin to fester until eventually, the entirety is compromised beyond reversal.

In the past, I have looked to AZB as a respite...where I could share thoughts about the game I love, where I could research and learn new things, where I could find out the latest on the players we revere so, see new products and cues...and to share a smile. It is less of that now than it has ever been...and I feel like I am losing an old friend.

Lisa

Lisa,

I started to notice this more and more, once I became unemployed, and spent most of my free time on AZB, when I wasn't resume dropping on Monster or Careerbuilder every other minute of the day.

Maybe I just wasn't noticing it earlier, because I had other things on my mind, or maybe it really has changed.

Of course, my unemployment has also made me bitter and unhappy, and ready to tear one's head off their shoulders - So I know where you are coming from.

But with a very strong possibility of employment by Thursday, I believe the AZB fighting will also stop with my new found love of working and earning money once again. Less time spent on AZB will allow this to happen to me.

At least my wife will be happier with me out of the house and bringing home the bacon.

Hope this helps.

Michael

 

[Ghosst]

In the past, I have looked to AZB as a respite...where I could share thoughts about the game I love, where I could research and learn new things ... and to share a smile. It is less of that now than it has ever been ... and I feel like I am losing an old friend.

You're sharing thoughts about the people involved in the game you love, that deserves a mention. And in between the flames I found a few gems here and there like, "chalk chasers" and the real reason those servers enjoy my company. Here I thought it was just the big stick they wanted. Apparently they only love me for my ability to knock 'em in. Sigh, and here I thought it was true (enough) love for a Wednesday.

Oh, and I learned never to hustle my AC repairman because he might try to hustle me right back (not that I would blame him). I also learned all about EW and the sharpies, and that dorabelle has a groupie!

I also heard something about the Lambert Cup, but that was Ting being funny. (Oh I soo hope you didn't see that Tin Girl. :sorry: )

 

[midstroke]

Now this is funny! It reminds me of someone giving a honest opinion and then getting this post right after. And i believe the post has been edited to be more friendly.

Since you are new here...it should be pointed out that unless it is a case of an outright transgression, ie; ripping someone off, as an example...the first banning is a short 30-day vacation. Also, since you are new here...it might be made mention that you have no clue as to how long the members in question have been valued here. You might do well to either do your homework, or keep your uninformed opinions to yourself, as opposed to bandwagon jumping.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Arguments have taken center-stage over pool

Have not.

pj
chgo

 

[JAM]

Come on, my fellow forum readers. Lisa is good peeps. She's just frustrated.

It happens to us all in the wonderful world of AzBilliards Discussion Forum at one time or another. :joyful:

Lisa, there's nothing wrong with taking a hiatus from this place. I do it all the time. :grin-square:

You, my friend, are a victim of disorganized thinking. You are under the unfortunate impression that just because you run away you have no courage; you're confusing courage with wisdom. -- Wizard of Oz

 

[ridewiththewind]

Ok now, with all due respect.

Are you really coming on here asking this, when you yourself, ripped off a newbies head and basically told him to stuff it because you didn't like his opinion?

You did say this in the other thread, right?



Don't be ripping people's heads off one day and then wonder why the forum isn't more peaceful without looking at yourself first.

Yes, I did...I thought it about it briefly once you called me out on it...felt that perhaps I could have worded it differently, and posted an apology shortly thereafter...however, while in your fervor to discredit me by quoting my posts in this thread, you conveniently failed to to quote that post as well. In fact, for one who is so quick on the button, you seemingly missed commenting on that one altogether...which begs the question...just what exactly is your intent in this thread?

Lisa

 

[TATE]

Have not.

pj
chgo

Do too. And don't gimme any of your crap.

Chris

Ps. Lisa, AZ is like the weather. If you don't like it, just wait until tomorrow. I think of some of the firecrackers and interesting characters who came through here - Jimbo and Drtivermaker really stand out - they loved to stir the pot and actually made it interesting. New people come and go - and sometimes the mix just doesn't work out. Hang in there!

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Not saying she is bad peeps.
But she really should think about what she has said, and maybe have some self reflection before she comes on here and makes a post like this so that people don't point out that she stuck her foot in her mouth.

As far as i am concerned, there is nothing wrong with arguing and being opinionated.
But at least, show some consistency.

Argue, or don't argue, but don't do one thing, and in the next breath, make like you are upset over others doing the same exact thing.

 

[ridewiththewind]

Now this is funny! It reminds me of someone giving a honest opinion and then getting this post right after. And i believe the post has been edited to be more friendly.

Since you are new here...it should be pointed out that unless it is a case of an outright transgression, ie; ripping someone off, as an example...the first banning is a short 30-day vacation. Also, since you are new here...it might be made mention that you have no clue as to how long the members in question have been valued here. You might do well to either do your homework, or keep your uninformed opinions to yourself, as opposed to bandwagon jumping.

Nope, that was how I posted it. If I am editing...then it is usually to fix a grammatical error, or to add to a post. I am friendly, so it was not edited for that reason...if I really 'go off' on someone, it was because I was provoked.

Off course, 'Superstar' and 'mia' (aka pharaoh68) know this, and 'mia' is a huge provocateur, and always has been...and takes great delight in pushing my buttons. They are both JA members who take great delight in taking pot-shots at me here. Again...the school-yard bully mentality prevails.

Lisa

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Yes, I did...I thought it about it briefly once you called me out on it...felt that perhaps I could have worded it differently, and posted an apology shortly thereafter...however, while in your fervor to discredit me by quoting my posts in this thread, you conveniently failed to to quote that post as well. In fact, for one who is so quick on the button, you seemingly missed commenting on that one altogether...which begs the question...just what exactly is your intent in this thread?

Lisa

Are you of the opinion that a "sorry" makes everything better?
Because i am not one of those people.

Just cause someone says that they are sorry, doesn't mean that they didn't say or do something that might have offended someone in the first place.

And one thing is for certain, sorry doesn't make people forget.

You might be genuinely sorry for the tone that your post had, which is fine, but that doesn't mean that you didn't mean it when u said it.

I just find it funny that you start this thread, when you yourself have done the exact same thing that you are discussing.

You can apologize till the end of time and genuinely mean it, but that still doesn't mean you didn't do it.

 

[ridinda9]

Arguments have taken center-stage over pool, and AZB has a cavernous rift running through it. Common decency and respect are all but gone. On any given day, members are choosing up sides like they're getting ready for a school-yard brawl. As the du juor antagonists face-off...you can hear the collective chant of 'Fight, fight, fight!' echoing throughout. It's as if our once common love of the game has degraded to a blood-sport.

No longer is it 'okay' to have differing opinions, and to move on. It has become an imperative that there be a triumphant. The reality is, there are no winners in such actions...as the wounds inflicted begin to fester until eventually, the entirety is compromised beyond reversal.

In the past, I have looked to AZB as a respite...where I could share thoughts about the game I love, where I could research and learn new things, where I could find out the latest on the players we revere so, see new products and cues...and to share a smile. It is less of that now than it has ever been...and I feel like I am losing an old friend.

Lisa

First , Lisa , I would like to share a smile - or three
:smiling-heart::smile-square::grin-devilish::lmao::yes::indecisive:
then , I would like to say that this is , after all , a forum . Forums are , by definition , a place where people come to exchange ideas and viewpoints . As long as there are two or more people with viewpoints , there are going to be differing viewpoints . Where there are differing viewpoints , one of the viewpoints must be incorrect . The person espousing the incorrect viewpoint is therefore wrong . The only way to correct that person's viewpoint is to inform them that they are wrong . A person may even eventually come to realize that they are wrong , but do to a simple quirk of human nature , they don't like to be told that they are wrong . Some part of their brain then wants to blame the person that told them they were wrong ,instead of just accepting their wrong-ness and moving on.
The game of pool itself is competitive , and therefore the players that excel at it and love it are also competitive . They live to be triumphant - no one sets out with the intent to lose (with , of course , the exception of those APA-playin' sandbaggers who set out to lose today so that they can win big in the future - but they , of course are just great advance planners ) and they find it very upsetting when they do lose. No one likes to lose , because we all know no one likes a loser ! (j/k - i think . . .)
The difference between a game of pool and these forums is that after a hard fought game of pool , the combatants (ooops , I meant players ) exchange a hearty handshake and a "nice game" or "well-played" at the end , and maybe even go share a cool beverage at the bar afterwards .
(unless , of course , you are 'Monk'-ish and refuse to shake hands , but that's a whole 'nuther thread . . . )
Usually , it is best to remember that these are just words on a screen - they mean no more than that ( unless , of course , you're messin' with sumbuddy's iTrader - but even he man'd up & sed sorry ! ) and there's going to be some good natured ribbing and semi-personal attacks .
Sides ? of course there's gonna be sides - nobody wants to be told what to do by some Uppity Blue-State Unisex Swingle Tryin' To Destroy America By Using a CTE System With His Low-Deflection Shaft On a Counterfeit Balabushka on a Diamond Vs. GoldCrown Table That Banks Improperly Whether Using Aramith OR Duramith Balls That He/She Still Hasn't Recieved From Unknown Ungodly Billiards Who May Be Dying or Out Of Business Although They Might Still Be Impounded By Customs Or Mistakenly Delivered To FaBigFellows Mansion . So of course there's gonna be sides - just like in anything else .
So , what I propose is , once a month we all converge at a central location , have a group hug , and sing Kumbaya !
( NO! must be Hakuna Matada ! but I want UP WITH PEOPLE . . .No! I sed Kumbaya , dad gummit !)
why can't we all just get along:smash:

 

[JAM]

Are you of the opinion that a "sorry" makes everything better?
Because i am not one of those people.

Just cause someone says that they are sorry, doesn't mean that they didn't say or do something that might have offended someone in the first place.

And one thing is for certain, sorry doesn't make people forget.

You might be genuinely sorry for the tone that your post had, which is fine, but that doesn't mean that you didn't mean it when u said it.

I just find it funny that you start this thread, when you yourself have done the exact same thing that you are discussing.

You can apologize till the end of time and genuinely mean it, but that still doesn't mean you didn't do it.

I used to tell my daughter the same thing, that once she spewed those words from her mouth that she couldn't take them back. I wanted her to feel the wrongness of her ways when she spoke without thinking first.

One day, SUPERSTAR, not so very long ago, my daughter and I had words about something dumb, like cleaning up the laundry room and working out in the yard, doing household chorse. We were both angry. She left the room.

About 30 minutes later, she returns to the room, and I can see her in my peripheral vision, but I don't look her way, as I'm still mad. No apologies were exchanged. She just came over to me and kissed me on the cheek and walked away. It was the best kiss I've ever had in my life, and I will never forget it.

I think people can express apologies and mean it. It doesn't make their actions or words right, but I can forgive and even forget, though I've gotten more stubborn in my old age.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Off course, 'Superstar' and 'mia' (aka pharaoh68) know this, and 'mia' is a huge provocateur, and always has been...and takes great delight in pushing my buttons. They are both JA members who take great delight in taking pot-shots at me here. Again...the school-yard bully mentality prevails.

Lisa

Contrary to what you might think, i don't know squat about you.

So are you now saying that JA members are somehow billiard forum scum?
How elitist of you. What are you, a forum SNOB?

Safe to say that your original post can be taken with a grain of salt now.

And you can keep that paranoid, self centered everything revolves around you attitude, cause i don't go out of my way to take any shots at you...that is unless your opinion is completely um, uh...how do i say this...WRONG.
In which case, i will point it out.

later

 

[JAM]

Contrary to what you might think, i don't know squat about you.

So are you now saying that JA members are somehow billiard forum scum?
How elitist of you. What are you, a forum SNOB?

Safe to say that your original post can be taken with a grain of salt now.

And you can keep that paranoid, self centered everything revolves around you attitude, cause i don't go out of my way to take any shots at you...that is unless your opinion is completely um, uh...how do i say this...WRONG.
In which case, i will point it out.

later

Johnny Archer? I'm not understanding how Johnny got into the picture.