If Diamond tables didn't bank short...

[realkingcobra]

I played on a 9' Diamond in Nashville that had very light colored rails, and white diamond sights. There was very little contrast, and the diamonds (for banking) were practically invisible. If the rails are light, the sights need to be dark, and vice-versa.

The same table was set up very low. If there is a default for table height, it should be at the upper limit of regulation.

I don't have any complaints about how they play.

The Diamond you played on was more than likely a special order Professional, which means the customer ordered it that way. As far as the height of the playing surface goes, Diamonds are already built 1" higher than a GC, or just about any other table as far as that goes...so you may just be use to tables that have been set higher than standard, but that's adjustable with any of the Professionals or ProAms...so the height of the playing surface of the table you're referring to...would have been a location thing...and not a Diamond problem...because it could have been set higher.

Glen

 

[realkingcobra]

I've only played on the Diamond's at Sal Butera's in Moorpark. I don't know if all Diamond pockets are cut the same, but those wouldn't hold a ball fired down the rail hard. (I haven't been there since you worked on the tables).

So, I would like to see more receptive pocket cut, or a little shallower shelf, and about 1/4" tighter.

Otherwise, I liked the way they played. it's a nice, solid table. The cushions, the speed, everything was just right. I just thought the tables played a little too easy.

Chris

I've already been to Sal's and gone. Recovered all 10 Diamonds, and made all 4 of the 9ft's pro cut pockets...meaning 4 1/2" corners and 5 1/16" sides. Firing a ball down the rails into the corner pocket and having it come out is a bad shot...meaning not the tables fault. If you were to line up 3 balls frozen to the side rail...and fired that combination shot into the corner pocket...guess what...the ball would go in...because there is no chance of error in the aim of a 3 ball combination shot...or transfer of english...and that shot can be made at almost break shot speed:grin:

So, try the tables as Sal's again and see what you think

Glen

 

[realkingcobra]

TAP TAP TAP I was just thinking the same thing....

Duh...which way did da go?...just because you were thinking the same thing...then you should go back to my first post....and re-read it...because if you had come complaints about the Diamonds...you haven't expressed them in any of your posts so far....but you did ask about Diamond reproducing the Brunswick Centennial...or was it the Anniversary...but then still managed to somehow bring up Connelly tables again...which makes me think...maybe you're a Connelly dealer?...if so, why not talk to Connelly about building a Brunswick Anniversary model table...I'm sure they could use the sales...but keep in mind, the nose height of the cushions on the Anniversary was 1 7/16"s high...and Connelly builds the cushion nose height on their tables to be...1 5/16"s...so it's a good thing they use the Championship tour edition cushions on their rails....because if they used any other kind of cushions....balls would be flying off the tables in every direction...OH...I'm sorry...am I off subject here?

Glen

 

[Philthepockets]

I don't think Diamond had it in mind as to what one of their tables looks like on TV when they came up with the Dyamondwood finishes for their rails, they're looks are kind of like...better in person. Dyamondwood can be polished to a real nice shine...like a new set of balls...if one wanted to take the time to do so...but you're going to spend hours in getting that mirror finish on the rails...that's time that Diamond don't have in a production mode.

Glen

It's not so much the shine RKC it's the wood effect, and if your trying to get a pool table past your better half on the grounds that is a nice piece of furniture it's important to the marketing. Just not a fan sorry. :smile:

 

[Tbeaux]

You must be talking about the Diamond Paragon, rounding the corners on this table would change the whole straight line look of the table, plus it would be a nightmare to try and round the corners on the skirts.

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Yes..The Paragon. We were trying to remember the name of that in the WPBA stream. Your right....seeing the table from that angle it would ruin the table lines. I like that table but I've lost skin on corners like that.

To those wanting Centennial or Anniversary look alike tables (or the real ones), check Pharaoh Manufacturing, Blatt Billiards or Muellers. Expect to PAY BIG!

 

[realkingcobra]

It's not so much the shine RKC it's the wood effect, and if your trying to get a pool table past your better half on the grounds that is a nice piece of furniture it's important to the marketing. Just not a fan sorry. :smile:

I couldn't agree with you any more than I already do but soon enough, Diamond will have an answer to that

 

[Brandon79ta]

Myself I'm not super fond of the standard table height as it's taller then anything else I ever play on. But obviously that's an easy fix for a home table.

I would love to see the rail taper like a GC but that's already been covered. I do wonder if it would be possible for a custom option? For those of us purchasing tables for home use.

As for the finish someone else was talking about Diamond could always offer a highly polished option for those that want it. I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap as it's alot of work but it would help satisfy the people wanting a nicer looking table.

The biggest thing I'd love to see is a 10 foot version as I'd much rather have a 10 footer then a 9ft, but I'm the rare crazy person that likes a bigger table.

 

[realkingcobra]

Myself I'm not super fond of the standard table height as it's taller then anything else I ever play on. But obviously that's an easy fix for a home table.

I would love to see the rail taper like a GC but that's already been covered. I do wonder if it would be possible for a custom option? For those of us purchasing tables for home use.

That still goes back to having new...special cutter knife heads made for the rail molding machine...which is not cheap I can assure you of that...just to be able to produce the first set of rails with more of a taper to the top side....but then the moulder would have to be changed back again to produce the rails that will hold up on the tables when being transported on the dollys...and that's another expense.

As for the finish someone else was talking about Diamond could always offer a highly polished option for those that want it. I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap as it's a lot of work but it would help satisfy the people wanting a nicer looking table.

Diamond has...in the past, built all wood rails for some ProAm's at the customers request...so the rails can be built with a beautiful natural wood finish....but keep in mine, that also makes the top rails open to dents, scratches...and most all the same wear & tear as all other tables with natural wood finishes.

The biggest thing I'd love to see is a 10 foot version as I'd much rather have a 10 footer then a 9ft, but I'm the rare crazy person that likes a bigger table.

The biggest problem with building a 10ft table, is that the manufacture would have to sell at least 100 tables a year in order to make it worth while....otherwise...it's a waste of time. Now...I'm sure that if 100 customers were to put down 50% deposits...Diamond would consider building such a table.....know 99 friends interested in buying a Diamond 10ft pool table???....tell them to call in and get their orders in ASAP...and lets get this show on the road

Glen

PS. NOT AVAILABLE WITH A ONE PIECE SLATE.....LOL

 

[smoooothstroke]

Diamond are the best.To me the represent the pinacle of pool tableness!

The only thing I don't like are the ball returns,but then I just don't like ball returns.

As others in this thread have said,something to help 1P players keep track of the ball count would be nice.Imo unless you can make a ball return deliver the balls quickly and surely to a point not so low to the floor and seperate them by sides of the table then ball returns are worthless.

Imo Diamond are good looking tables but then ive never been impressed with logos sticking up on the rail or chrome corner brackets.Also furniture style pool tables just don't do it for me.

 

[h2o4170]

We have diamond proffesionals and GC4s Ill always be a goldcrown fan just becuase thats what we grew up on.The diamonds play diff. no doubt. But the price of a new GC5 id probably learn to love a Gandy or robinson formy home before Id spend what brunswick wants.

 

[Cutthroat]

I agree with tthe above. However, the Diamond shown here is very nice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9l1GxOE5Yc

 

[Run the Century]

Perhaps make them a little tighter??

They play a little loose snake man.

 

[pulldapin]

They play a little loose snake man.

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So your ball's are small? Is that why it takes three? lol

 

[Run the Century]

I prefer ...

To think the opening is big. LOL

 

[realkingcobra]

OK....well, what I've picked up on in this thread....is (1)...pockets still having a complaint with the dye still coming off on the balls...even after being wiped down with hand sanitizer???

(2)...Diamonds ProAm's are not going to win any beauty contest

(3)...some people have a problem with their playing stance around a ProAm...because the side skirts are to long...LOL

(4) Seems some customers are not aware of the wire bridge holders or wire ball tray for holding the balls for one pocket....are available to order with their purchase...OK, will talk to the sales people about that at Diamond....

(5) Some players don't like the profile on the top of the rails...but I think I explained the reason for the way it is, and no Diamond can't change the profile on special order to more like that of a GC...because of the cost of changing the molder heads....but would first have to have them made in order to even have them to change out....and for how many sets of rails....who even knows.

What else people?...come on....give me some more feedback....as it's feedback that creates changes

Glen

 

[TheCueHunter]

OK....well, what I've picked up on in this thread....is (1)...pockets still having a complaint with the dye still coming off on the balls...even after being wiped down with hand sanitizer???

(2)...Diamonds ProAm's are not going to win any beauty contest

(3)...some people have a problem with their playing stance around a ProAm...because the side skirts are to long...LOL

(4) Seems some customers are not aware of the wire bridge holders or wire ball tray for holding the balls for one pocket....are available to order with their purchase...OK, will talk to the sales people about that at Diamond....

(5) Some players don't like the profile on the top of the rails...but I think I explained the reason for the way it is, and no Diamond can't change the profile on special order to more like that of a GC...because of the cost of changing the molder heads....but would first have to have them made in order to even have them to change out....and for how many sets of rails....who even knows.

What else people?...come on....give me some more feedback....as it's feedback that creates changes

Glen

Well I dont understand the ??????? in the first highlighted post YOU are the one who said to use hand sanitizer to take off the extra dye:thumbup: didn't you???????

IF you really like the feedback why laugh at the people who said the skirt was too long and it messed up their stance????? Is that not feedback??? Thats what you asked for, right?????? Maybe its a complaint to some people and it should be addressed, why laugh or roll your eyes?

 

[greyghost]

To think the opening is big. LOL

can you even miss with those balls in those pockets lol.....I'm not playing you at your house lol

 

[Lonestar_jim]

Cool

Yes i really endorse Valley pool tables as a player and a poolhall owner, And as far as a penny pincher i own one of the largest poolhall in the country. When u own as many tables as i do u would understand. And yes i dont mind cleaning tables weither its a diamond or a valley. And as for the statement of players that cant run out on diamond u have a open invitation to come down anytime u want.

If you're making a living in the business, I applaud you. Thanks for the invite and try to keep the the pukers away from the nice cloth if you can.

Any table that you do your best to keep in good condition should attract players of all types.

 

[pulldapin]

I wish I could add something but what little time I've spent on the Pro Am I gotta say I loved and never shot better. In fact I don't think I missed(hardly). Even took a tournement in North Carolina (jawing maybe 3 balls). Really makes one tighten up and play accordingly.

Regarding return velocity of balls off rails being faster after cushion contact, I have seen this on some of the Gold Crowns I play on here on Oahu and wonder how and why it happens. Could speculate but...

I gotta say experiencing that is a real pain in the ass regarding the fact that it just doesn,t make sense.

I have not experienced this on any of the aproximately 6-8 Pro Ams I have played on in (Jacksonville, Little Davids...Olathe,Shooters...outside Feyettville, Name escapes me).

Can't wait to hear more about the new improvements Diamond and Glen have in store for our great game. Keep up the great work everyone.

Hopefully one day we can get a Pro Am or 2 out here on Oahu.

For now keep your head down, eye on the shot and straight shootn.

I really appreciate all the posts and I am learning a lot and plan to learn so much more.

Mahalo Carl

 

[Run the Century]

Ask Cajun Fats

can you even miss with those balls in those pockets lol.....I'm not playing you at your house lol

He ran a thousand unfinished in straight pool.