Thank Buffalofloyd. Your Scruggs player is NICE!
Sigel goes 102 and out unFINNished...
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Thank Buffalofloyd. Your Scruggs player is NICE!
It sound to me like a few of you are basically telling me that it's poorer sportsmanship to complain than it is to cheat.
Anyway, regardless, I do agree that he should have called the ref.
Anyway, regardless, I do agree that he should have called the ref.
No wonder the pool world is so screwed up. Most people in this thread are of the belief that after you get cheated and screwed, you should offer a handshake otherwise you're the scumbag. What kind of self-loathing logic is that? Should a woman offer a hug and goodbye kiss to her rapist? C'mon people.
Not shaking hands has multiple purposes and has nothing to do with bad sportsmanship. In fact, it's good sportsmanship. It's a protest to unethical sleazy play. Want a handshake after a match - play like a true gentleman. Works both ways. Also, a handshake rewards it all by putting it in the past. As if to say all is well, you got away with it. A form of sanctioning. The reality is, the winning player, like most pool players could care less. If anyone would ever have a gripe over this it would be the player denied the handshake. But this rarely happens. Most pool players are of the mentality "I'll take the cash, you can keep the handshake" ..
Anyhow, by not shaking, it becomes remembered. It's like tagging something with a flag. The cheated player gets to taint the cheater's win. It publicizes the fact there was a controversy of some kind in the match. Thus, not necessarily being a clean win.
On the other hand, people who don't shake because they are bitter over a loss - they are poor sports. But that's not the situation here.
Not shaking hands has multiple purposes and has nothing to do with bad sportsmanship. In fact, it's good sportsmanship. It's a protest to unethical sleazy play. Want a handshake after a match - play like a true gentleman. Works both ways. Also, a handshake rewards it all by putting it in the past. As if to say all is well, you got away with it. A form of sanctioning. The reality is, the winning player, like most pool players could care less. If anyone would ever have a gripe over this it would be the player denied the handshake. But this rarely happens. Most pool players are of the mentality "I'll take the cash, you can keep the handshake" ..
Anyhow, by not shaking, it becomes remembered. It's like tagging something with a flag. The cheated player gets to taint the cheater's win. It publicizes the fact there was a controversy of some kind in the match. Thus, not necessarily being a clean win.
On the other hand, people who don't shake because they are bitter over a loss - they are poor sports. But that's not the situation here.
The flaw in that point of view is in NOT calling in the ref for a ruling--and then acting like there HAD been a ruling that you had in fact gotten screwed.
If one doesn't have....whatever it takes to call over the ref, then his subsequent actions should be aligned with that decision.
To extend your analogy: It's like a woman claiming to have been raped by reporting it to all her AND the man's family, friends, and neighbors, but not to the police--if she's going around reporting it to everyone, then why didn't she bother with the police?
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Talk about a far fetched analogy eh? Ignoring rapists and other criminals, I do find the position of most people here a bit funny. People seem to be blaming Mika for not fetching a referee - something he should've definitely done (we wouldn't be having this conversation now), and that I can somewhat understand. But what I do not understand is how not having a referee call the shot makes up for ignoring your own faul and just continuing? How can you blame the player who did not fetch a ref for that? 99% of shots are played without a referee and consequently players will have to act classy 99% of the time admitting their own fauls. The consensus seems to be "faul at will" if the ref's not around.
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Good points and yes I would be really pissed if it happened to me. If I foul and I know it I will always call it whatever the situation, that's how I was taught to play the game. I would expect the same from everyone that I play, but I also know that will not always be the case. I have never refused to shake anyones hand at the end of a game, nor will I ever do that for any reason. It is childish, disrespectful and as the old cliche says "two wrongs do not make a right". Be the bigger person and do the right thing, it's always the best thing to do!
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I don't think so!
Uh... Really?? I don't see the comparison in these two situations at all! Anyone else have similar feeling?
Uh... Really?? I don't see the comparison in these two situations at all! Anyone else have similar feeling?
#1: Truth.
#2: Glad to hear Mike has shortened the dialogue down about 6 levels...but you know he's actually still talking.
Yup, but the avatar makes me forget all abou tit...
I would have unscrewed after this gem, possibly followed by an upper cut to a 80 year old jaw.
I'd hate to count the times I've shook hands with opponents who have sharked me during the match. The protest of not shaking hands to protest unethecal behavior doesn't hold weight for me.
If your opponent has obviously exhibited unethical behavior during your match with him, you should out him on the spot, loudly and clearly no matter who he is.
Not shaking hands can be interpreted by others as being a poor sport as others have already mentioned.
All that being said, if someone tries to cheat me, I might do or say anything.
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You might look at Mika not calling the ref. a catch 22. If he does he's sharking. But not doing so could turn out to make him a cry baby. But I feel by not shaking hands after the match makes him a jerk. Bottom line all of these decisions where made by Mika. 
If the shot is as described as it was earlier, there is no reason a ref should be called to look at it. Cb and ob one inch apart is a relatively basic shot and should not be fouled on. This is probably the reason Mika didn't call the ref. Hell at our level that shot staright in with a little bit of follow isn't that hard. I'm sure Mika thoguth prior to the shot that it wasn't going to be a foul.
Now after the shot its a different story. Unfortunately I didn't see it, but with no ref being called and no video replay like superstar said the shot does go to the shooter. The shooter should man up though and call the foul if it was one especially when asked.
Another thing, some previous mentioned that after that shot, Mike shot a few more balls and then Mika questioned it. If there was an issue with a shot, it should be called on that particular shot. If you don't call the foul and the shooter assumes the hit was good and continues playing then you missed your oppurtunity.
I like both of these players a lot, and I did not see the shot. The above was just my opinion of the scenario described by people in this thread.
Now after the shot its a different story. Unfortunately I didn't see it, but with no ref being called and no video replay like superstar said the shot does go to the shooter. The shooter should man up though and call the foul if it was one especially when asked.
Another thing, some previous mentioned that after that shot, Mike shot a few more balls and then Mika questioned it. If there was an issue with a shot, it should be called on that particular shot. If you don't call the foul and the shooter assumes the hit was good and continues playing then you missed your oppurtunity.
I like both of these players a lot, and I did not see the shot. The above was just my opinion of the scenario described by people in this thread.
hey I was there and mika had no time to call a ref......
Mike was lloking for a safety, turn around the table and shoot..... and mika was behind him. mike know what he was doing...... it is not the game and I don t like it.....
Mike was lloking for a safety, turn around the table and shoot..... and mika was behind him. mike know what he was doing...... it is not the game and I don t like it.....
Thanks for sharing, Monsieur.
Guaranteed, Sigel knows a move or 2...and Mika has a few too, ya knew.
I agree, the shaking of the hands or the not shaking of hands... THAT is what is wrong with pool these days.
I mean, what kind of person would want to get involved in pool, to train daily, to pocket hundreds of thousands of balls, to spend all that money on table time, to setup all those cool drills and shoot them over and over, to never be able to keep a girl by his side, the blood, the sweat, the tears, the callouses, the chalk all over your clothes.... WHO would want to ever get started in pool, if they knew that after losing that close match, dude wouldn't shake their hand. Or pulling off that upset victory against the No. 1... dude wouldn't shake my hand. Or coming back from a extended visit to the bathroom, dude wouldn't shake my hand.
People, if you want to bring this great game to the masses, to be able to watch live tournaments on Spike TV on Sat night......
You Gots to shake hands brutha !!!!
Extend those digits !!!! (wipe the bloody sweat off first though, you pig):grin:
I'm humming a song right now by Loretta Lynn.. You know it, lets all join hands and sing along !!!!!
G D7
Put your hand in the hand of the man who stilled the waters
Am D7 G
Put your hand in the hand of the man who calmed the sea
G7 C
Take a look at yourself and you can look at the others differently
G E7 A7 D7 G
By putting your hand in the hand of the man from Gal-ilee
(the preceeding tip is just another of CaliRed's ongoing series of the Top 100 of "That's what's wrong with pool")
It'll be interesting to see how well Sigel does in this event. He's playing lights-out. It's hard to imagine him an under-dog. It's gonna take an Ortmann to Machine-him-to-death, I think.