Magic Rack + Sardo Rack, we don't need them

Foolio said:
You might change some peoles minds but not the majority.
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A mind can never be changed on one of these forums. Nothing really happens here. Pool is not even played here.

You can certainly tell when you get close to the truth in anything. People get very uncomfortable and very mad. The volume begins to go up. I did find pools soft underbelly. This is pools private disaster. I started 6 threads on the topic this past eight months and was the driver behind 2 others. I got 20,000 reads, 700 replies, a handful of PMs and many emails. If I was off the mark, there would have been zero response or interest.

I purposely pushed the envelope at this time. The US Open is going on and the activity on this forum doubles. I wanted to wring every last thought and comment out of anyone who would respond. Thank you for all the comments.
 
What makes me made is how you have been ramming this concept down our throats on this forum. That us ok though since pool is not played on this forum. Tell you where else it is not played, your poolroom. Some time ago I was planning to spend some time in nw pa. I was going to support your room with my money. Not now based on your last post

Finally as I told you before bring your idea to Barry, Mike Z. Also try Tony Robles. He is running a league too. Let's see what they think.
 
Paul Schofield said:
A mind can never be changed on one of these forums. Nothing really happens here. Pool is not even played here.

You can certainly tell when you get close to the truth in anything. People get very uncomfortable and very mad. The volume begins to go up. I did find pools soft underbelly. This is pools private disaster. I started 6 threads on the topic this past eight months and was the driver behind 2 others. I got 20,000 reads, 700 replies, a handful of PMs and many emails. If I was off the mark, there would have been zero response or interest.

I purposely pushed the envelope at this time. The US Open is going on and the activity on this forum doubles. I wanted to wring every last thought and comment out of anyone who would respond. Thank you for all the comments.
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i believe your solution is to just let the guy shoot if he makes a ball or not on the break. correct? i admit i have scanned over the endless threads you post about this but never really paid close enough attention. your gripe, as i understand it, is that a hard break amounts to slopping a ball in. and you call these rules no conflict rules. if they work for you at your room great. i would never play in an event using these rules because i would have great conflict with them. i work very hard on working on my break, in 8,9,10 ball, straight pool and one pocket. i would not call what i do slopping a ball in. i would call it being rewarded for learning how to break with enough power, but enough control to give myself a chance to make a ball and have good shape if that happens. to me it's slop pool to just hit the stack and no matter what happens you keep shooting. that's ridiculous. learning how to break properly is a definite advantage over a lower skilled player. if i was playing someone and they won the flip or i dogged my lag and they got to break and just continue to shoot even if they butchered the break shot i'd be pissed. and as an important note to me it is called the break SHOT. it's a shot to be practiced like everything else. it's not all luck. lastly i'd like to comment on a post i am pretty sure you made about the break being wildly dangerous to those individuals and property in the vicinity of a player breaking. i am calling bulls*it on that all day. i've been around pool halls and/or bars for 23 years and i have never seen someone hurt or windows constanly wildly shattering around me. if you have lost that many windows in your rooms i have two suggestions, the first is move the tables around so people are not breaking towards the glass and second if you have a**holes just slamming a cue ball around tell them to stop, you stand more of a chance of getting hurt by some jackass swinging a cue stick around than you do getting hit by a cue ball.
 
more NO CONFLICT bs

Paul Schofield said:
As a footnote: I really do like the break in 8, 9, and 10 ball.
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so do we . that's why we don't appreciate the idea of anyone messing with it . . .

and we're still waiting on the ball/pocket stats that you promised in the smash-break=slop thread

Aren't you a man of your word , Paul ?
Or did the results not support your position , so you won't release them ?

as a result of that thread , CaliRed added dry break stats , and they are very enlightening . . . .

and I'm not sure SVB appreciates your equating his breaking prowess with cheating . . .
 
hangemhigh said:
Bring back the old school rack man, like the shoe shine man, nickle a rack. Independent racking for everyone.
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I'za be luvin' da rackboy ! Only nowadays he gets a $ ! and deserves it !:grin::grin::grin::grin:


hangemhigh , I tried to rep u 4 that 1 , but it's 2 soon - IOU 1 !
 
jrt30004 said:
i would not call what i do slopping a ball in. i would call it being rewarded for learning how to break with enough power.
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I think I understand you. Normally in a called shot game, a player calls a ball and a pocket. You are saying that on the break, you are calling "any ball in any pocket". Because this is your intention, it is not slop. So in other words, you hit em hard and intend to slop balls and therefore it is not slop. I can see how somebody can reason this. Good one.
 
Your rewarded for winning the game or lagging better than your opponent so you get the break and hopefully you know how to use it. Alternate break is BS.
 
I think the key normal racks (non sardo and magic rack) is to find the balance between your ability to hit with power and control. Bustamante is the perfect example, he hits hard and can keep the cue ball in the center of the table. There is a reason why the top in the world has the best breaks. Being able to hit with power and controlling the cue ball is not slop. I don't get it, why is no one complaining about 8-ball. I believe that there is more luck to breaking on the 8 ball and the layout you get if you do make a ball.
 
vincentwu817 said:
I believe that there is more luck to breaking on the 8 ball and the layout you get if you do make a ball.
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I have been asking for some time for someone to make a plausible case for Eight-Ball. Here is a called shot game but a player is required to slop a ball in on the break in order to get his first shot. The only explanation I ever get is: "That is what the rules are."
 
Paul Schofield said:
One of my employees showed up at the pool room with a magic rack. He proceeded to show me a "trick shot" - wing ball in the corner... EVERY TIME!
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News flash, THAT'S NOT A TRICK SHOT! That's what happens when all the balls in a nine ball rack are frozen to each other.

Add me to the list of people who are sick of your shit. Have fun being on ignore.
 
Paul Schofield said:
I think I understand you. Normally in a called shot game, a player calls a ball and a pocket. You are saying that on the break, you are calling "any ball in any pocket". Because this is your intention, it is not slop. So in other words, you hit em hard and intend to slop balls and therefore it is not slop. I can see how somebody can reason this. Good one.
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you're either illiterate or mentally lacking in some way. i didn't say i just hit 'em hard and hope. i try to control the cue ball and hit with respectable force. just because you don't like it don't get pissy with me. i tried to post resectfully and give you thought out reasons. if you want to just mock me you can kiss my a**. your rules are ridiculous and your arguments a joke. i can can see how you can be blinded by your ignorance. good one back at ya.
 
jrt30004 said:
you're either illiterate or mentally lacking in some way. i didn't say i just hit 'em hard and hope. i try to control the cue ball and hit with respectable force. just because you don't like it don't get pissy with me. i tried to post resectfully and give you thought out reasons. if you want to just mock me you can kiss my a**. your rules are ridiculous and your arguments a joke. i can can see how you can be blinded by your ignorance. good one back at ya.
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This is what I do not like about forums. Something is lost in print. I was not mocking you at all. I was being serious and trying to understand what you are saying. There is no offense intended. If I miscommunicated, I will take the blame for that. If you knew me, you would know that I take everyone seriously.
 
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jrt30004 said:
i believe your solution is to just let the guy shoot if he makes a ball or not on the break. correct? i admit i have scanned over the endless threads you post about this but never really paid close enough attention. your gripe, as i understand it, is that a hard break amounts to slopping a ball in. and you call these rules no conflict rules. if they work for you at your room great. i would never play in an event using these rules because i would have great conflict with them. i work very hard on working on my break, in 8,9,10 ball, straight pool and one pocket. i would not call what i do slopping a ball in. i would call it being rewarded for learning how to break with enough power, but enough control to give myself a chance to make a ball and have good shape if that happens. to me it's slop pool to just hit the stack and no matter what happens you keep shooting. that's ridiculous. learning how to break properly is a definite advantage over a lower skilled player. if i was playing someone and they won the flip or i dogged my lag and they got to break and just continue to shoot even if they butchered the break shot i'd be pissed. and as an important note to me it is called the break SHOT. it's a shot to be practiced like everything else. it's not all luck. lastly i'd like to comment on a post i am pretty sure you made about the break being wildly dangerous to those individuals and property in the vicinity of a player breaking. i am calling bulls*it on that all day. i've been around pool halls and/or bars for 23 years and i have never seen someone hurt or windows constanly wildly shattering around me. if you have lost that many windows in your rooms i have two suggestions, the first is move the tables around so people are not breaking towards the glass and second if you have a**holes just slamming a cue ball around tell them to stop, you stand more of a chance of getting hurt by some jackass swinging a cue stick around than you do getting hit by a cue ball.
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Anyone who vaguely knows me, knows aI am famous for misspellings and my computer ignorance.
I reped this man for his post this morning and by accident red reped him. For that I am truely very sorry. I have contacted admin to attempt to get this changed.
Now the funny part: i was unaware that my PM's were full so the only way
JRT30004 could notify me and asked why, with positive comments, I had red reped him was by green repping me. As i explained I can be a sick individual at times, but i am still laughing about this. I receive green rep when most would have sent me a Grenade and the pin pulled!
Again I apologize and assure you it was not intentional and I am trying to get this rectified now.
i guess I am pretty twisted because I just can't quit laughing. A i said in the pm, I
hope we meet because I do owe you at least a drink and you just seem like a guy I would like to hang around with a bit.
Again i am sorry!
 
ironman said:
Anyone who vaguely knows me, knows aI am famous for misspellings and my computer ignorance.
I reped this man for his post this morning and by accident red reped him. For that I am truely very sorry. I have contacted admin to attempt to get this changed.
Now the funny part: i was unaware that my PM's were full so the only way
JRT30004 could notify me and asked why, with positive comments, I had red reped him was by green repping me. As i explained I can be a sick individual at times, but i am still laughing about this. I receive green rep when most would have sent me a Grenade and the pin pulled!
Again I apologize and assure you it was not intentional and I am trying to get this rectified now.
i guess I am pretty twisted because I just can't quit laughing. A i said in the pm, I
hope we meet because I do owe you at least a drink and you just seem like a guy I would like to hang around with a bit.
Again i am sorry!
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all good sir. i sent a reply to the pm. sometimes you have to read what the person wrote and at least try to determine what they meant. like i said to you, your comment was very positive only the color of the dot let me know it was a negative rep. it's happened before and it's no big deal. i don't live and die by the green dots like some do. i tend to have a seriously twisted view on the world as well and try to find humor in as much as i can. i am glad i could at least give you a laugh this morning.:grin: when you're in the atl we can shoot some and have drink.
 
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jrt30004 said:
you're either illiterate or mentally lacking in some way. i didn't say i just hit 'em hard and hope. i try to control the cue ball and hit with respectable force. just because you don't like it don't get pissy with me. i tried to post resectfully and give you thought out reasons. if you want to just mock me you can kiss my a**. your rules are ridiculous and your arguments a joke. i can can see how you can be blinded by your ignorance. good one back at ya.
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Just give up man... I tried having a logical discussion a few threads ago, and as soon as one point was nullified, the argument suddenly became about something else.

I really think this whole "no conflict rules" should be left under the "to each is own" category. some people like it, some don't; i dont really care one way or the other; and playing in a NCR event would NOT stop me from hitting the break I usually hit.
 
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