lightning fast cushions? well, my GC IV certainly does NOT have lightning fast cushions. as a matter of fact, i always complain to myself that my table is slow. maybe its just me.
Mike
"Diamondizing" A Table Thread
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lightning fast cushions? well, my GC IV certainly does NOT have lightning fast cushions. as a matter of fact, i always complain to myself that my table is slow. maybe its just me.
Mike
Why ruin a Gold Crown?
Why on earth would you try to downgrade your Gold Crown to a Diamond?
The Gold Crown has been the benchmark for a very long time. Whenever someone talks about a table they compare it to how a Gold Crown plays.
The only advantage I can see to the Diamond is that it saves a tournament promoter time and money on set up and take down because it can be moved in one piece with a forklift.
Ask some of the pros what table they prefer to play on & you will get a vast majority of Gold Crown supporters.
Why on earth would you try to downgrade your Gold Crown to a Diamond?
The Gold Crown has been the benchmark for a very long time. Whenever someone talks about a table they compare it to how a Gold Crown plays.
The only advantage I can see to the Diamond is that it saves a tournament promoter time and money on set up and take down because it can be moved in one piece with a forklift.
Ask some of the pros what table they prefer to play on & you will get a vast majority of Gold Crown supporters.
Oh really?....I can name a bunch of Pro's at the TOP...who all have Diamonds...can you name the TOP Pro's with GC's?
Why don't you call up Brunswick...and ask THEM why on earth they ran the Gold Crowns into the ground?...instead of knocking Diamond for passssing them in the fast lane?...because I can tell you for sure....Brunswick has NO chance at catching up with Diamond's ProAm or Professional....let alone their coin-ops...OH...that's right, I forgot...Brunswick dumped the Valley coin-op industry...at a loss of about 32 million or so
....keep living in the past...and see where it takes you
You just hang onto that GC5...get things right on your end...and I'll turn that GC5 into a one of a kind bank table from hell:grin:
you mean all the top pro's thats been by my house? its a short list
I'll tell you what buddy...I've spent so much time figuring out the play of rails on GC's & Diamonds....that I've literally aged during the process:grin: Then figuring out the tooling needed to make the changes was another nightmare because never fail....no one ever makes the tools I need....which is why I seem to always have to build them myself....but, with all that development behind me....there isn't a table on the planet that I can't change the way it plays for the better. The second hardest thing I had to do....was convince Greg with Diamond....to let me change their rail design into my design...WOW what a project....but it's done and behind me now...and I can say for sure, beyond any shadow of doubt...today...in this world...there is NOT a better playing pool table built by ANYONE...on this planet....and the BEST I can do, with any GC....is TIE what Diamond today produces from it's factory.
I'm finishing up building a 14.1 playing Diamond Professional for Steve Glen here in Phoenix today...then I'm outa here...heading back to Diamond, then on up to NH. If you want that Diamond of yours moved, I'll send you Zach & Gordon to get it done...just let me know when:grin:
Glen the question I have to ask is.....
What makes you think that you can determine what best playing is???
I mean it's kind of like the tired argument of which production cue plays best...
My idea of best playing is that the rails bounce a true mirror angle on a medium hit shot and that the pockets accept well hit balls.
I have to say that so far the GC's I've played on have usually been much truer than the diamonds in this respect.
AS far as easier to setup to roll true etc... then the diamonds with one piece slate have that market cornered...
Jaden
What makes you think that you can determine what best playing is???
I mean it's kind of like the tired argument of which production cue plays best...
My idea of best playing is that the rails bounce a true mirror angle on a medium hit shot and that the pockets accept well hit balls.
I have to say that so far the GC's I've played on have usually been much truer than the diamonds in this respect.
AS far as easier to setup to roll true etc... then the diamonds with one piece slate have that market cornered...
Jaden
well, you would need artemis cushion, tighter pockets and new slate that has deeper shelves like a diamond. Oh yeah, and new rails that have a flatter profile to match diamonds rail height.
btw, diamonds are the benchmark these days, goldcrowns are owned and made in china now. enough said. They were also designed base aesthetic reasoning...while diamonds were built strictly for performance and have been altered over the years to comply with pros thoughts of its performance.
anybody think its funny brunswick is trying to get double what a diamond sells for and has particle board rails covered in a cheesy fake wood formica. lol
anybody think its funny brunswick is trying to get double what a diamond sells for and has particle board rails covered in a cheesy fake wood formica. lol
Perfect post. Selling a Gold Crown for double what a ProAM goes for is simply a rip off to people who dont know better.:angry: IF i could get a brand new GC and have RKC set it up for the same price as my ProAM , I would still get a Diamond. I really appreciate what their company stands for and am happy to hand over my hard earned dollars to them.
I've seen this statement a lot here. I don't know where this idea came from, but Gold Crowns are not made in China.
I was talking about old Brunswicks being the benchmark. I wouldn't consider a NEW one over a Diamond, but IMO the 40's-76 Brunswick Commercial model are the best tables ever made.
Lol. Maybe that's China, Maine.
I found this by searching:
History
# The J.M. Brunswick Company's version of a billiard table was born in 1845. Within ten years, John Moses Brunswick built a reputation for creating the finest tables in the world. Currently, Brunswick Billiards is headquartered in Bristol, Wisconsin, but most of the production process for Brunswick tables is handled overseas. Materials are also mostly manufactured overseas.
Read more: Olhausen Vs. Brunswick Pool Tables | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5382415_olhausen-vs-brunswick-pool-tables.html#ixzz14MHMkGWv
I found this by searching:
History
# The J.M. Brunswick Company's version of a billiard table was born in 1845. Within ten years, John Moses Brunswick built a reputation for creating the finest tables in the world. Currently, Brunswick Billiards is headquartered in Bristol, Wisconsin, but most of the production process for Brunswick tables is handled overseas. Materials are also mostly manufactured overseas.
Read more: Olhausen Vs. Brunswick Pool Tables | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5382415_olhausen-vs-brunswick-pool-tables.html#ixzz14MHMkGWv
If not China - then where?
If not China - then where?
Is that a picture of a Gold Crown box? All of the boxes for my GC V were marked "Made in Brazil" or "Made in U.S.A." This was last year. There was nothing marked Made in China.
If they are now making the Gold Crowns in China, then I stand corrected. And it's a real shame if they've done that.
The 5 Gold Crowns that I bought, of which I have 2 left are made in China-Every box that the parts come in pockets, pedestals, skirts spreaders, etc. all say made in China. I was told the pocket castings are cast in America which makes sence because they never fit right out of the box, the rail wood and lament is milled in China to different spec thus they dont fit right-leaving sharp corners, a good installer has to bust out a Dremel drill or something abd remove the wxcess wood to get the castings to fit flush. Or the woos is milled here and the castings are from China, what ever the case they dont match up. I'm pretty sure its the castings that are made in America.
At the BCA trade show 2 years ago I was talking to B-Wick about their Chinese stratgey, on paper its good. The problem is Quality control. Its widely known in many industries that if you outsource to China that if you dont stay on top of them they will cut corners and the products will be inferior. I had a friend who moved to China to over see his brothers business for that very reason, he was there for 5 years, the company covered his costs there and he got a auto-deposit in his bank account here in America every week. IMO B-Wick is taking their eye off the ball. The Chinese can and do build good stuff when your on top of it.
Another challenge with the GC5 is keeping it level, at Pool Sharks here in town I heard throuh the grape vine that table isnt staying level, mine isnt, I know that its dry here and it takes a year for a table to acclimate to Vegas so you just have to wait a year before your box will stay level. It dosent matter at the tournemets because the tables are only up for a week and it takes longer than that for rolls to appear. I have had my GC5 set up for just short of 2 years and it still wont stay level, its level enough to be a 9 ball table but for one pocket its brutal. Its a great table but not for $10,000 or what ever it says on their site. Its a $4,000 table IMO.
mine were about 18-24 moths ago, they have aawalys been a Chinese product. Thats why at the 2008 BCA Trade Show they had a prototype GC-5 sitting on a fixture 2 or 3 feet off the ground roped off so you couldnt touch it, the table was slanted at a 30degree angle. They did this because the pocket castings didnt fit into the rails and the edges were so sharp they deemed it a hazzard so they built a beatiful display. There is zero doubt that the GC 5 has awalys been a chinese product-the slate could come from Brazil.
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