Mr Hatch, I saw that one coming

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hang-the-9

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I think that poor play on the 7 to 8 may have cost US the cup.

I saw the shot he had, though to myself, I'd make sure I stayed up high enough not to get near the 9. Then I saw him line up the angle he wanted, and I though again, that's a bit close, hope he hits it up higher on the rail. And then... he made the mistake that most A players would avoid much less pros.

I think that match is what caused the Euro win, going in with a win you have more confidence, you play better, but seems the US kinda fell apart. The doubles games also had some risky shots that you'd play in a league or a local tournament but I rarely see in a pro game.

This may have been posted earlier by someone else, did not see anythying in the last few pages, so here it it. Dennis, in my opinion, blew it.

And the SVB Duel mach was not the best played I have seen either by those guys.
 
Can the MODS start a Mosconi Cup arguement thread adn make it a sticky please...

Sorry to say it but it was a TEAM effort or did you forget about the rest of the USA Squad?? You cant blame one man for the loss of they entire match. Team USA should've been up by 5 match points so you could blame maybe Karl for some bad shots.. Or Mika for that matter :rolleyes:

Very opionated but very rude imho :nono:
 
It won't be the last time he, or anybody else gets out of shape. I do not believe that there is any one single instance you can identify as the reason we did not prevail. If this situation would have occurred with the series tied at 10 and the final match hill-hill, then you could say without a doubt it was the reason, otherwise it is just speculation. Congratulations to Europe and to our guys for a thrilling Mosconi Cup.
 
RunoutJJ said:
Can the MODS start a Mosconi Cup arguement thread adn make it a sticky please...

Sorry to say it but it was a TEAM effort or did you forget about the rest of the USA Squad?? You cant blame one man for the loss of they entire match. Team USA should've been up by 5 match points so you could blame maybe Karl for some bad shots.. Or Mika for that matter :rolleyes:

Very opionated but very rude imho :nono:
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Hey, Dennis played great in his doubles match, he was probably responsible for the win there, but I do think that his was a very key game in the outcome. Loved his energy in the matches, but that shot, eek.

I don't think that the shot selection he took is really an "opinion", I'm betting 90% of the players here would think that the shot he took to bring the cue lower on the rail to get a simpler shot was the wrong play. Hill Hill with 2 balls on the table, you don't try to play position to within an inch of being blocked by another ball. I've done it, and paid the price, so did he. I am also betting if he reads this, he'd agree he should have picked a harder shot on the 8 to avoid the 9.
 
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jalapus logan said:
I don't think that calling out pro players on perceived errors in play will make any of them more inclined to contribute to this online pool community. Dennis Hatch is a member here and has posted from time to time. Let's not abuse him or any of the other pros who take the time to contribute.
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And by time to time you mean when he joined last year to ask for our vote and after the Cup to thank the forum for getting him on the team and then not posting a single post for 9 months right?
 
hangemhigh said:
It won't be the last time he, or anybody else gets out of shape. I do not believe that there is any one single instance you can identify as the reason we did not prevail. If this situation would have occurred with the series tied at 10 and the final match hill-hill, then you could say without a doubt it was the reason, otherwise it is just speculation. Congratulations to Europe and to our guys for a thrilling Mosconi Cup.
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Absolutely true, the part where I think that match was key is all my opinion. But that's why this forum has threads that reach so many posts, different opinions. I can see things now... "Aiming Systems all work" Post 1 "Yep, I agree.", end of thread :)

The whole thing was great fun to watch, and I feel sad that US went away with a loss, especially after all of those 2-4 and 1-4 come from behind wins. But I am betting that every one of the players that watched that shot went "oh no, he didn't!".
 
hang-the-9 said:
Hey, Dennis played great in his doubles match, he was probably responsible for the win there, but I do think that his was a very key game in the outcome. Loved his energy in the matches, but that shot, eek.

I don't think that the shot selection he took is really an "opinion", I'm betting 90% of the players here would think that the shot he took to bring the cue lower on the rail to get a simpler shot was the wrong play. Hill Hill with 2 balls on the table, you don't try to play position to within an inch of being blocked by another ball. I've done it, and paid the price, so did he. I am also betting if he reads this, he'd agree he should have picked a harder shot on the 8 to avoid the 9.
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Ah maybe so but he didnt personaly lose the entire match with this one team point up for grabs. I know SVB and Corey lost there singles play didnt they?? Why arent these two receiving any heat then??

Look at the big pcture for a second...
 
beav99_4life said:
And by time to time you mean when he joined last year to ask for our vote and after the Cup to thank the forum for getting him on the team and then not posting a single post for 9 months right?
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Good post...you read my mind
 
Right.

beav99_4life said:
And by time to time you mean when he joined last year to ask for our vote and after the Cup to thank the forum for getting him on the team and then not posting a single post for 9 months right?
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+1.
I may be tempted to add the word 'just" between the words "year" and "to".

I'm sorry he decided not to post here or hang out w/ us peeps here. Hatch got what he wanted when he was selected for the USA team and he was under no obligation to stick around after the decision was announced. The fans know now what the deal was.

Personally, there's no way to ever blame anybody for missing a shot or getting out of position, etc during a match that everyone knows the shooter is trying his / her very best to win. The USA wins as a team and loses as a team. None of us should ever blame a player missing something they were giving their all on as the reason the whole team lost. Kinda unfair.
 
RunoutJJ said:
Ah maybe so but he didnt personaly lose the entire match with this one team point up for grabs. I know SVB and Corey lost there singles play didnt they?? Why arent these two receiving any heat then??

Look at the big pcture for a second...
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I'm not so much saying that his match was bad, just that one shot, which in my opinion if played better, could have prevented the USA loss.
 
beav99_4life said:
And by time to time you mean when he joined last year to ask for our vote and after the Cup to thank the forum for getting him on the team and then not posting a single post for 9 months right?
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Well, apparently he was just on here yesterday:

Yesterday, 04:45 PM

"Until you are out there and you have to fade that pressure keep your uneducated opinions to yourself. It's a lot tougher out there than you think it is so don't sit on your couch, watch us on your computer and bash all of us. It's not fair. Sometimes we play bad and sometimes we play good. When we play good we're hero's and when we play bad we're bums. "

Here's the thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=212829
 
I watch a lot of pool, and when i'm watching i see every shot and never miss a ball. So, Dennis Hatch out there, hill hill , against his favourite enemy, adreneline pumping, slightly overhit match ball. Everyone in Europe forgives him.:grin:
Seriously though, Dennis is well liked by the Europeans because of his passion, as are all the USA team, and i wonder if the people who come on here and slag him off would do the same to his face, i doubt it.
This was a blilliant competition, all the players were superb, and i look forward to next year, when i hope to be in Vegas.
p.s. I knew Daz was good, i knew he was very good, but i didnt know he was that good:p
 
I saw that comming as well. But we really can't tell the line from watching it from stream or even the fan seats. It may very well have been a bigger area to get the cue ball in then looked from watching. I do think I would have tried to come more to the center of the table and be safe then take that chance. However we all have our opinions but we aren't the caliber of Dennis Hatch or we would be playing there instead of watching.

I wouldn't say that shot lost the cup. It was for sure a team effort and this year Europe just played it better. All in all it was a great cup. There has to be a winner and a loser. Congratulations to Europe and thank you to the American team for such a great effort.

My hat is off to you Dennis Hatch. I hope you make it back next year, you are without a doubt a great asset to the American team. Thank you for all the entertaining and great play the last 2 years in the cup.
 
Dennis Hatch is better off not posting on AzBilliards Discussion Forum. Most every professional player who tries to contribute to this forum ends up getting ridiculed, bashed, and attacked. If they try to contribute, their words are dissected to mean something other than what they had intended.

In my opinion, based on seven years of being a member of this forum, it is better that professional players post on a very rare occasion. Their time is much better spent practicing, being with loved ones, or enjoying their life away from the pool table.

It's better to leave the posting to pool enthusiasts and multiple identitied trolls. They know how to step over the mud puddles better in Forum Land. :)
 
Plain and simple, in the interview Dennis had after his next match, he said he overstroked it. This kind of thing can happen to any player, pro or amatuer, especially in that type of environment. That was the most high intensity tournament I have ever seen. I'm not a pro, but if I was you can bet I would have been shi##ing my pants on that shot.

Dennis played much better than Rodney or Shane by far.
 
JAM said:
Dennis Hatch is better off not posting on AzBilliards Discussion Forum. Most every professional player who tries to contribute to this forum ends up getting ridiculed, bashed, and attacked. If they try to contribute, their words are dissected to mean something other than what they had intended.

In my opinion, based on seven years of being a member of this forum, it is better that professional players post on a very rare occasion. Their time is much better spent practicing, being with loved ones, or enjoying their life away from the pool table.

It's better to leave the posting to pool enthusiasts and multiple identitied trolls. They know how to step over the mud puddles better in Forum Land. :)
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Hello Jam,tell keith I said howdy if you would.Always liked Keith just like everyone! I'm John Brumback,I think he'll remember me.Anyway I really like the way you put that.It's the dam truth! Why would any pro come on here and have to put up with all that crap??? As for me I'm going to try to be very very careful what I say.and it's mostly going to be to my buds and people I know and or like. yeah, I haven't ever missed a ball from this computer yet.I don't blame them at all. Thanks for your time.Like reading your posts.Ok I'm done.John
 
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