New ideas vs. obsolete ideas

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Kim Walker
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I have what some of you experienced cue builders might think is a strange question:

In your opinion, what are some of the newest cue building and assembly techniques that need to be explored.

What are some of the obsolete cue building and assembly techniques that might need to be rethought or discontinued.

thanks

Kim
 
I have what some of you experienced cue builders might think is a strange question:

In your opinion, what are some of the newest cue building and assembly techniques that need to be explored.

What are some of the obsolete cue building and assembly techniques that might need to be rethought or discontinued.

thanks

Kim

Could you give an example or two of each category?

Dale
 
examples

I realize I was kind of vague.

My motivation was a recent pool tournament I attended. There was about 15 cue builders there selling their cues, some with very well known names. I walked from booth to booth looking at the cues for sale. After i was about half way through I realized that they all began to look the same. Not to say that the cues were not built by experienced craftsmen but that they were all striving for the same look...... points, inlays, windows, etc, etc, etc.

I want to build something that has a "wow factor" as in "I haven't seen that before."

So .... do we need ivory? It turns some people off.
do we need points... ?
do we need rectangular windows?
do we need to stick only to wood?
do ferrules need to be threaded?
can we use other materials for ferrules?
do we need inlays at all?
do we need a threaded rod at the "A" joint?
do we need CNC machines.... i think they water down craftsmanship... not to say that those that use them are not real craftsmen.

there are so many real craftsmen out there ..... is there anything new and exciting under the sun?????

please don't take this as criticism in any way......

Kim
 
Maybe you should start at the begining. You are looking for a tool, to move the ball around the table.... Don't loose sight of this. It IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT THAT YOU WILL EVER GET, IN USING A POOL CUE. Ivory, points, inlays...They don't matter when you are over the cue & hitting the cueball. Forget about the pretty things that cuemakers sell. If it is a GREAT hitting cue & looks good too....Man you have won the lottery...JER
 
There are no rules in cue building. However, there are things that sell in cues and things that do not. The reason you see a lot of the same things is because those things are popular with buyers & builders enjoy building them.

Can you come out with some crazy different & really cool? Yeah. Nothing is in your way. But most of the new crazy ideas are quickly rejected by the buying public. Just because you as a builder finds something attractive doesn't mean the buyers will. Every once in a blue moon somebody comes out with something different & tasteful that everybody likes, and it works out well. But for the most part, builders stick to building what buyers like. After all, builders are cue nuts, too. Chances are pretty good that if the majority of the buying public likes a certain trait, the majority of builders like it too. Whether you are a builder or buyer, it all comes down to your personal taste & most often the majority of people agree on what is tasteful & what is just plain whacky.
 
I realize I was kind of vague.

My motivation was a recent pool tournament I attended. There was about 15 cue builders there selling their cues, some with very well known names. I walked from booth to booth looking at the cues for sale. After i was about half way through I realized that they all began to look the same. Not to say that the cues were not built by experienced craftsmen but that they were all striving for the same look...... points, inlays, windows, etc, etc, etc.

I want to build something that has a "wow factor" as in "I haven't seen that before."

So .... do we need ivory? It turns some people off.
do we need points... ?
do we need rectangular windows?
do we need to stick only to wood?
do ferrules need to be threaded?
can we use other materials for ferrules?
do we need inlays at all?
do we need a threaded rod at the "A" joint?
do we need CNC machines.... i think they water down craftsmanship... not to say that those that use them are not real craftsmen.

there are so many real craftsmen out there ..... is there anything new and exciting under the sun?????

please don't take this as criticism in any way......

Kim

I like your post. It is always good to question tradition to make sure that innovation has not been stifled by adherence to custom.

Alan
 
I guess I got a little bored with building so many cues that looked very similar to each other. I may not have broken completely out of that mold, but you will see a good bit of difference in this group of cues I took to a show a while back.

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Nice cues

I guess I got a little bored with building so many cues that looked very similar to each other. I may not have broken completely out of that mold, but you will see a good bit of difference in this group of cues I took to a show a while back.

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I like pushing the envelope but really only like the first cue on left. Others are just too busy for me. Love the joints. Kind of odd that no one makes a signature joint. Bought a Jacoby portrait cue for my bro with pics of the grand baby. Be hard to sell a cue with someones pic on it though! I think a cue with the tribal stuff (like tattoos) would be awesome. Great to see someone thinking out of the box
 
My analogy to the custom cue world is the Harley motorcycle industry. Harley riders want a bike that looks, sounds, and feels like the Harley that they have known for years. Many stayed away from fuel injection and other forms of modern electronic accessories. Take the V-Rod model for example. It's certainly the most modern, but also arguably the fastest and most reliable bike in the Harley line-up. It contains MANY advancements in manufacturing and engine technology, yet it's not considered a Harley at all to some purists. In the bike world if you want the latest advancements in technology you go buy a sport bike, not a Harley.

For good or bad, tradition is deeply engrained in that industry, and I see it in cue building and collecting as well. Though there are companies who are breaking from tradition and using high-tech tools, materials, and manufacturing techniques, buyers of custom pool cues tend to gravitate toward traditional designs. In fact, the products from builders who have learned cue making from former well known builders tend to be more valued in the collector community. Another example is the negative feelings that many collectors have about the use of CNC in cue making. Do a search on CNC in the Wanted/For Sale section, and you'll probably find a few 10+ page threads about how using CNC is cheating, or makes cue building too easy, like there is an "easy button" on a CNC mill that you push and a finished cue comes out the side of the machine... Anyway, with only a few exceptions, traditional short-spliced or full-spliced cues tend to be valued above cues with floating points done on a CNC.

Tradition runs deep in this industry, and suppliers supply what their customers demand, or they don't supply for long.
 
There are no rules in cue building. However, there are things that sell in cues and things that do not. The reason you see a lot of the same things is because those things are popular with buyers & builders enjoy building them.

Can you come out with some crazy different & really cool? Yeah. Nothing is in your way. But most of the new crazy ideas are quickly rejected by the buying public. Just because you as a builder finds something attractive doesn't mean the buyers will. Every once in a blue moon somebody comes out with something different & tasteful that everybody likes, and it works out well. But for the most part, builders stick to building what buyers like. After all, builders are cue nuts, too. Chances are pretty good that if the majority of the buying public likes a certain trait, the majority of builders like it too. Whether you are a builder or buyer, it all comes down to your personal taste & most often the majority of people agree on what is tasteful & what is just plain whacky.

Sometimes less is more as you know Eric. Your discovery by accident on your thin ringwork has been very successful and people love it. I have also seen other cuemakers to try integrating that type of thin ringwork on their cues as well, that is something to be proud of. It is cool to be a leader, not a follower, but sometimes you just can't help it.
 
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