Worlds Greatest Player vs. the Peoples Champion

tryhonesty07 said:
No, thats why I said I didnt doubt his work. Doesnt that insinuate I havent seen? I;m just talking about when people give themselves names that are meaning less, the term "master" anything doesnt say much, because anyone can say that. Im saying he should use a different word that has a definite meaning. Can I say that?
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So, in other words...if I were an amature pool player....it would be ok to call myself a "Pro".....just as long as no one sees me play pool....right? I mean, no one really has to pass a test as a pool player to be called a "Pro" right....I mean it's not like Golf or Bowling right...where to be called a "Pro"....you have to pass a test right?

I can't just be the best in my line of work and get credit for being a "Master Billiards Technician" right....I mean....who's going to test me to see if I know what I know....to be considered a "Master" at what I do? Really.....who? The table manufactures? Cloth manufactures?

I just finished up in the studio up in Boston, MA. making DVDs for the Simonis Cloth company so they can distribute the DVDs of me showing how to correctly install Simonis cloth....as their official cloth installation instructions....world wide....and this is a first for them in more than 330 years in business. The instructions took place on a Gold Crown 4, and a Valley 7ft bar table...NOT a Diamond;)....kind of makes you wonder don't it;) Why me...out of all the other table mechanic's on earth;)

Glen

PS. The DVDs should be finished in production and ready for distribution around the middle to the end of Feb, 2011....my part is done, now they're in the hands of the studio and Simonis.
 
Celtic said:
It is probably due to Global Warming.
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To tell you the truth....I think it's directly the fault of the Super Aramith Pro balls loosing their shine/finish...to where they have to continuously have to be cleaned over and over again...which means to get them to shine again, a wax/cleaner has to be used, which in turn can change the surface friction of the balls. I also think Aramith knows about this problem, which might just explain why they now offer a "Tournament Edition" set of balls, which don't loose the shine, and don't hardly mark up the cloth at all during play.

Home use of the balls will never put the commercial use on the balls that is seen in tournaments, over and over again with the same sets of balls. It might be months before the balls on a home table start to loose their shine, but that's not the case in tournaments.

Fatboy has a set of the "Tournament Edition" balls, and you can see the difference between them and the "Super Aramith Pro" balls in just a few hours of playing with the different sets....;)
 
I just don't see how the brand of tables matters....

.... only the slate should matter. It would be above my realm to say that Johnny Archer is wrong, assuming that he did criticize Diamonds, but the balls are on cloth and slate when they skid, not a diamond cabinet or artemis rubber.... just thin cloth over slate. And it seems to me that the modern slate is honed such that the cloth would mask any difference in static friction due to tiny hills or valleys in the slate surface. So what's the other variable people missed on the thread about this? The possibility that players might not play their best on a game that they have a chip on their shoulder/prejudice about. If a player complains that brand X tables skid more, he probably did not decide that from that single shot... probably had the thought in his head before that and it might have caused a difference in how the man played. Who knows, just wanted to as the expert, RKC, while I know he's commenting on the same thread as me.
 
well said, thanks for the info RKC....

good info man. Mike Hamasaki said you did a great job on his table.....
 
hunger strike said:
.... only the slate should matter. It would be above my realm to say that Johnny Archer is wrong, assuming that he did criticize Diamonds, but the balls are on cloth and slate when they skid, not a diamond cabinet or artemis rubber.... just thin cloth over slate. And it seems to me that the modern slate is honed such that the cloth would mask any difference in static friction due to tiny hills or valleys in the slate surface. So what's the other variable people missed on the thread about this? The possibility that players might not play their best on a game that they have a chip on their shoulder/prejudice about. If a player complains that brand X tables skid more, he probably did not decide that from that single shot... probably had the thought in his head before that and it might have caused a difference in how the man played. Who knows, just wanted to as the expert, RKC, while I know he's commenting on the same thread as me.
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Brunswick and Diamond's share basicly the same things...slate, cloth ect....so what's the one difference between the two???...the balls!
 
realkingcobra said:
I just finished up in the studio up in Boston, MA. making DVDs for the Simonis Cloth company so they can distribute the DVDs of me showing how to correctly install Simonis cloth....as their official cloth installation instructions....world wide....and this is a first for them in more than 330 years in business. The instructions took place on a Gold Crown 4, and a Valley 7ft bar table...NOT a Diamond;)....kind of makes you wonder don't it;) Why me...out of all the other table mechanic's on earth;)

Glen

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You meant we right? Wasn't Jay Spielberg a part of that? ;) Just saying:p
 
hunger strike said:
.... only the slate should matter. It would be above my realm to say that Johnny Archer is wrong, assuming that he did criticize Diamonds, but the balls are on cloth and slate when they skid, not a diamond cabinet or artemis rubber.... just thin cloth over slate. And it seems to me that the modern slate is honed such that the cloth would mask any difference in static friction due to tiny hills or valleys in the slate surface. So what's the other variable people missed on the thread about this? The possibility that players might not play their best on a game that they have a chip on their shoulder/prejudice about. If a player complains that brand X tables skid more, he probably did not decide that from that single shot... probably had the thought in his head before that and it might have caused a difference in how the man played. Who knows, just wanted to as the expert, RKC, while I know he's commenting on the same thread as me.
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I still think he just plain missed the shot....and then became a "pool player" on the spot...because he couldn't have missed....could he?:grin:
 
PoolTable911 said:
You meant we right? Wasn't Jay Spielberg a part of that? ;) Just saying:p
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Why....yes he was:grin:...which is why I formed a business relationship with Jay, giving him half of the business ownership of "Realkingcobra.com" so that he could babysit me and get me into the studio on time, which believe me....has been a challenge:grin: It only took me about 7 years to agree to make the DVDs....because I needed someone like Jay to take the administrative end of the business by the horns...because that's not my cup of coffee...that's Jay's:grin:

Glen

PS. Hell, Jay's even the President of the Corp.
 
Johnny? he never meeeses

.... he had physics on his side ..... according to Schroedinger's Cat / quantum physics, we observers might have made Johnny miss by observing. I do like Johnny Archer though, great guy ..... if my grandmother had known him she woudn't have given me sh@t about being a pool player..... she woulda said "he's so niiiiiiiiiiice!"
 
hunger strike said:
.... he had physics on his side ..... according to Schroedinger's Cat / quantum physics, we observers might have made Johnny miss by observing. I do like Johnny Archer though, great guy ..... if my grandmother had known him she woudn't have given me sh@t about being a pool player..... she woulda said "he's so niiiiiiiiiiice!"
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BUT...if you couldn't beat Johnny playing pool...your grandmother would have told you....see, you're not good enough to be a pool player....GET A JOB!
 
gulyassy said:
Now lets see who the greatest player is.
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Greatest Player?

5x10 table,
40 second shot clock,
10ball last,
6 inch break box

I don't think this is really going to decide who the greatest player is. I think it will decide who plays the best with these stipulations. Stipulations that seem extraordinarily uncommon really.

IMO, deciding the greatest player would be playing the game the way it is currently played. The way TAR has done previous races to 100. The way Shane and Earl played last time.

Regardless, should be entertaining to see. Hope it goes off.
 
realkingcobra said:
Why....yes he was:grin:...which is why I formed a business relationship with Jay, giving him half of the business ownership of "Realkingcobra.com" so that he could babysit me and get me into the studio on time, which believe me....has been a challenge:grin: It only took me about 7 years to agree to make the DVDs....because I needed someone like Jay to take the administrative end of the business by the horns...because that's not my cup of coffee...that's Jay's:grin:

Glen

PS. Hell, Jay's even the President of the Corp.
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So is Jay a Master Mechanic?
 
PoolTable911 said:
Are either one your equal?
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I would say Mark is, because I've had the opportunity to spend time with Mark, working with him, passing on the tricks of the new tooling and the new way of calibrating rails. If I got to spend the same amount of time with Jay, then I'd say jay would be an equal as well, but for now, I have knowledge that Jay don't have at this moment, but once shown...yes, I'd consider Jay an equal as well:D

PS. For that matter, I'd just about put Bob DeTurk at that same level, only difference between Bob and Jay, Mark, and myself....is that we've seen a lot more things over the years than Bob has, worked at a much higher level of craftsmanship for a lot more years as well, but that don't take nothing away from table mechanic's like Bob, Zach, Gordon, Donny, and a few others. I'd love to see everyone working at a "Master Mechanic" level, but I think that's always going to be a level of mechanic's dictated by self-motivation, and not the industry;)
 
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realkingcobra said:
I would say Mark is, because I've had the opportunity to spend time with Mark, working with him, passing on the tricks of the new tooling and the new way of calibrating rails. If I got to spend the same amount of time with Jay, then I'd say jay would be an equal as well, but for now, I have knowledge that Jay don't have at this moment, but once shown...yes, I'd consider Jay an equal as well:D
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So you trained Mark on rail work?
 
PoolTable911 said:
So you trained Mark on rail work?
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The way Mark works on rails today vs the way he use to work on rails? Yes, Mark was the first mechanic I shared this way of working on rails with. I developed it first, then passed it on to Mark...including the tooling required. Once that idea was put into Mark's head, he took it from there, like he's suppose do...and develop the concept of the rail work into his own terms of getting the work done.
 
realkingcobra said:
The way Mark works on rails today vs the way he use to work on rails? Yes, Mark was the first mechanic I shared this way of working on rails with. I developed it first, then passed it on to Mark...including the tooling required. Once that idea was put into Mark's head, he took it from there, like he's suppose do...and develop the concept of the rail work into his own terms of getting the work done.
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Oh...I heard it the other way around.
 
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