Gotta appreciate that candor. It's very clear you're a major "CTE" advocate. I appreciate the honesty and objectivity.
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Gotta appreciate that candor. It's very clear you're a major "CTE" advocate. I appreciate the honesty and objectivity.
I use a differnt form. I was not knocking CTE, just the DVD. I feel he should have focused more on those key features because it is very confusing which will lead less people to understanding.
Big Tony,
I see the CTE line and the edge of the cue ball to the A,B or C aiming point, STANDING UPRIGHT and simply keep that visual perspective as I lower myself and move forward into my shooting position. I look off of the top of the cue ball for CTE line and "peer" off the edge of the cue ball until the edge of the cue ball lines up with the correct aim point.
Hope this helps.
Oh yeah, the CTE line is CRITICAL to start with and to stay with because it is your original alignment. The AB & C are your fine tuned aiming points and the correct pivot is the coup de grace to the successful completion of the shot.
JoeyA
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Gee, I thought I was on your ignore list.
The arrow is a training device to be used during practice and as needed during practice. One can use anything during practice to help them.
Do this shot with CTE:
I did it using GB on a 9ft with tight pockets. See I play on a big boys table.
There are more that did not get CTE from the DVD than did.
I'd rather play in person just to see you keep racking for me.
Oh yeah, please put me on your ignore list again.
lol........
Duckie,
I know you are an anti-CTE kind of guy and that's cool with me. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go 'round but if you are saying you shot the cue into the three ball and the three hit the four ball and then caromed into the five ball to drop into the side pocket without hitting the far side rail, I am calling you out and saying you are FULL OF S**T. :grin:
You can try that shot all night at 20 a try.
It's not even possible, but he doesn't know that. Probably took him 3 tries to make it on the wei table.
If you want to bet something then we can play on the "big boy" table. Even without knowing you I will spot you 11:8 in one pocket for $500 a game, ten ahead for $5000 no adjustment. If either of us are in a a bad game then tough. If you are able to make these caroms so easily then one pocket should be child's play for you.
I think it's hilarious to think of you lining up a bunch of imaginary "Arrows" every time you shoot. But then you don't do that do you, you said before that you devised another method to double check your alignment, what was it something with three lines?????
Anyway this thread isn't about the Ghost Ball or Ghost Arrow method, it's about the CTE method. The CTE method is about shooting balls directly into pockets and banking them into pockets. For those two things it's the nuts and way better than GB.
But for what it's worth Duckie (I am sure the name is apt) I can make the caroms and combinations easily by using the GB method or the Arrow method - because you see I am able to learn ALL ways of playing pool and use what works and leave the rest. (thank you Bruce Lee). However you are left in the cold because you only have ONE method to choose from. So when you come up against that shot where your arrows fail you I am able to shoot it comfortably because CTE gives me the proper guide.
I am with you Joey. He is either a liar or he can't diagram the shot properly. Because what is showing us seems to indicate some magical ability to draw the object ball off the second ball.
I vote for liar.
Without seeing the DVD but having spent time trying CTE variations out.
This how it works for me:
I am showing Mike's starting with the left eye looking and lined up at/to the CTE (of the left edge of the OB).
From this stance, I shift the cue (without regard for the CB) to the right and center (1/2 ball) of the smaller appearing OB down table.
Shifting farther to the right makes me miss the OB entirely...for my normal bridge location.
For cut angles less than 30 degrees, I shift to the left...but that is off of the left edge of the OB and is thus shakey for there are no fractional points or A, B or C to aim at.
I must be doing this wrong.
This diagram may help some.
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Thanks all.
Without commenting on the steps I want to say that the diagram looks fantastic - reminiscent of the diagrams one used to find in old instructional books.
I beleive that IF CTE is going to be diagrammed then it will be in this way and not as a 2d representation.
LAMas,
I think you are spot on in your observations. To clarify, you are not actually using the quarters as aiming points, but rather alignment points. Your cue never aims at anything. It simply is placed offset behind the CB and pivoted back to center CB. It becomes part of the equation only after your visuals have told your body where to line up. After you are lined up, you mechanically pivot left or right.
The pivot direction can be either right or left whether you have a shot to the right or to the left. Shot direction does not influence the pivot directon.
The goal is to learn to sight correctly without all the mechanical setups. I agree that after a bunch of practice the system will fade and your natural aiming will take over. You can always review the basics if you slump.
And yes, I already have a keen grasp on the distance perspective you speak about. :grin-square: What I really would like to know is since you are working on all those missile guidance systems, can I get one to put in my cue stick? Don't laugh. Right now, somebody is out there trying to do this very thing as we talk about it! :wink:
Best,
Mike
Mike,
Years ago, a pool instructor had a cue with a laser embeded behind a small hole in the tip. When he turned it on, the light would appear on the cue ball. It helped one to see if he was actually pointing to the center of the CB...surprise - I was off to the side a bit? It was limited in it's utility for it didn't penetrate the CB to light a spot on the OB...what we all wanted to help with aiming. I haven't seen one since.
Now we have CTE to help with that.
Yes, bombs and missiles can be guided to their target using lasers, but in smoke, dust and cloudy weather...they fail. This is also true with CCDs or TV cameras that are also used. As you imply, we now use GPS to guide them to their target in any weather or smoke. As in pool, we can change the intended target ...errrr stroke/aim...when the troops overun the first target...no more Chinese Embassy SAFUs. The lasers and CCDs get you to the door and GPS rings the door bell. LOL
Actually, our GPS guided bombs/missiles are easier to command than CTE.
I get the original stance/position of CTE and some say that you don't even aim your cue at that. I get that you then move one of your eyes to visualize the edge of the CB in line with the quarters on the OB. I admit that I have difficulty with the utility of this and I suffer from parallax for the edge of the CB is near me and the OB is down table...it is implied that I can't even aim the cue from the edge of the CB to the quarters on the OB.
Now you say that the cue isn't pointed at anything other than it is off of the center of the CB which allows you to pivot when you are now down on the shot.
My question is - where is your cue pre-pivot? You don't even have to know...just pivot??? Like GPS, I am looking for targets - like double distance aiming points. Is it that CTE gets your body into alignment which would be like walking into the shot (when you know what you are doing), if so, why do you even pivot? Get your feet and body into alignment and then just get down and shoot from the center of the CB. I just can't break this paradigm without more information. I find 90/90 aiming much easier than CTE as described in this thread.
A GPS guided cue would take the error and fun out of the game. LOL
What do you have for me?:smile:
Thanks in advance.
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The LaserStroke Training Aid from www.laserstroke.com achieves this by producing a plane of laser light that projects over the CB and OB simultaneously. The tip laser always seemed like a completely useless gimmick to me, but I bought the LaserStroke the second I saw it since I had been trying to think of a way of making one myself. I find it very useful for stroking and alignment analysis/troubleshooting (just not in the way they describe on their site). The only downside is the light is a little faint, especially when the batteries aren't new.
Robert
I checked out the site and product, and find it can be usefull. Now if it is attached to the tip laser shaft so you can simultaniously see that you are spot on the CB....that would be a hot product.
I sell the CueSight Laser cue and I thought it was a gimmick before I got involved with the company. Actually it is a useful tool because you can not only see the line to the object ball but you can rotate the cross hairs to see tangent lines.
http://www.cuesight.com/lascues.html
I've voiced my opinions on the issues of this thread before, so I'm staying out of it.
Other than that, this post is one of the most ignorant things I've seen on here. You're seriously judging people based on their spelling, grammar, etcetera? You're full of (yourself) now.
If that's the case, you should have used quotes for Grady's comment. And people don't play "good", they play well. You also show, according to your own view, that you are excessively lazy in using "it's" instead of "it is". You also did not punctuate that last sentence. Using your logic, your opinions are now worthless.
Have a nice day.
Your wite............you silly wabbit....Have a nice day.
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I agree, Dave. He can try that shot all night with me, and I'll offer him $20 for THREE TRIES at a pop. In other words, if he can make this shot ONCE in a three-try set, he gets my Andrew Jackson. Otherwise, I get his. He can try this all night, at $20 / 3-try set. I think I'm being quite gracious by offering 3 tries, but it's to prove a point.
The first carom angle he shows (the 3-ball into the 4-ball) is possible, albeit difficult to do with accuracy to get on the precise line to have that 3-ball then carom the 5-ball at the proper angle. And he would need to do this at speed to get the near 90-degree angle carom off the 4-ball -- the 3 needs to be sliding upon impact with the 4-ball. I'd say he's lucky to even hit the 5-ball with the 3-ball after 3 tries. But then to say he can have the 3-ball hit the 5-ball at the correct point to offer another near 90-degree angle carom into the side pocket (in other words, the 3-ball is still sliding upon impact with the 5-ball)? Horse puckie!
duckie, I'm a native ghostballer just like you. I consider myself one of the lucky few that can actually "see" the ghostball plain as day, just like any other object ball, and I can envision it in the correct place to pocket the object ball the lion's share of the time. But there are other factors in play than just merely aiming correctly on a shot to make the cue ball contact the object ball at the correct point to pocket that object ball, or otherwise send that object ball in a particular direction. I'm getting really, really tired of seeing you foist Babe Cranfield's arrow as the "aiming panacea." Like JB says, you can't use it in real games. And it only scratches the surface on single-ball carom angles (nevermind multi-ball carom angles at the distances you show). There are other aiming methods that grew out and upwards from the arrow (e.g. the back-of-ball aiming technique used in snooker, as good example of "moving onwards and upwards"). Babe Cranfield's arrow was a training tool. It was not intended to be the "all aiming roads stop here" multi-purpose panacea for any shot in pool.
I live in NY, with some of the best 3-cushion players in the world (Hugo Patiño, et al.) -- players that know how balls react when contacting each other. I'm officially calling you out on this shot. And I'm sure some of the 3C guys here would like to get in on this action, too. I don't know where you are, but if you're anywhere near NY, you have action with me.
Care to partake?
-Sean
P.S.: if the message wasn't clear, I'll spell it out for you. GET OFF THE ARROW. It's a training tool, not a be-all/end-all aiming panacea. Take your training wheels off.
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The drawing was for reference only and not a exact placement of the balls. The point is I did a double carom into the side on the first try.
The real question is can you? I have already done this shot, so now yall go do it on the first try. I practice this level of difficulty shots all day long. I really get creativity in my shot making.
It's funny that those that have made the arrow have told me it works perfect. I've yet to hear that about any other training aid. There is nothing wrong with using a training aid when needed, which is no different than getting lessons which is also mentioned more than I have ever mentioned the Arrow or Babe Cranfield.
Also, I nowhere mentioned the arrow as much as CTE, PRO 1 or any other system on this forum. Ever see a thread title The ARROW, nope but there sure is PRO ONE DVD........
Just too funny..... I have nothing to prove to anyone here, I know what I can do and that's all that matters
Now, go worry about your own shot making.....or lack of it.
The real question is can you? I have already done this shot, so now yall go do it on the first try. I practice this level of difficulty shots all day long. I really get creativity in my shot making.
It's funny that those that have made the arrow have told me it works perfect. I've yet to hear that about any other training aid. There is nothing wrong with using a training aid when needed, which is no different than getting lessons which is also mentioned more than I have ever mentioned the Arrow or Babe Cranfield.
Also, I nowhere mentioned the arrow as much as CTE, PRO 1 or any other system on this forum. Ever see a thread title The ARROW, nope but there sure is PRO ONE DVD........
Just too funny..... I have nothing to prove to anyone here, I know what I can do and that's all that matters
Now, go worry about your own shot making.....or lack of it.
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