Bobby cotton

Heat joints

Hey, Richiebalto and Ribdoner, thanks for your interest, questions are good and I feel honored to reply to them. while I was in Chicago at first I wanted to play Abruzzo and he wouldn't play me on a bar table no way. We became the best of friends later on, I have the most respect for John cause he is triple smart and a great guy. I played every one around Chicago and we might have played, can't remember for sure. Darn I'm only 5'9' so it mighta not been me, haha ! When I was in Chi I didn't care about money too much so I would play any body for any amount any game on any table except Artie one pocket at Bensingers, I knew better, lol ! On that triple tough table at Mocks, most bar table players were in trouble playing me plus it was real dangerous too. If you didn't have alot of nerve you were really in a trap. Good ole days, haha, ask the "Beard" he'll tell you all about it. I hung with some pretty bad dudes so I wasn't to worried about any shit going down.

Bobby did hang out in those "heat" joints, Mocks and the Casa Madrid. Plenty of 24 hr action, but your life was at risk. They were the worst possible combination of clientele, they were mob owned and run, frequented by killer hillbillies, killer mexicans, and of course motorcycle gangs. Plus all the best bar players in the area came and hung there. Bobby was good action and would play anybody.

Beard

(Of course, when I had money, or a backer, or was in good stroke, I would go into those joints as often as possible.)
 
Bobby did hang out in those "heat" joints, Mocks and the Casa Madrid. Plenty of 24 hr action, but your life was at risk. They were the worst possible combination of clientele, they were mob owned and run, frequented by killer hillbillies, killer mexicans, and of course motorcycle gangs. Plus all the best bar players in the area came and hung there. Bobby was good action and would play anybody.

Beard

(Of course, when I had money, or a backer, or was in good stroke, I would go into those joints as often as possible.)

That's where the money, thrill of the hunt, and stories were. Damn I miss that stuff. Johnnyt
 
Bobby did hang out in those "heat" joints, Mocks and the Casa Madrid. Plenty of 24 hr action, but your life was at risk. They were the worst possible combination of clientele, they were mob owned and run, frequented by killer hillbillies, killer mexicans, and of course motorcycle gangs. Plus all the best bar players in the area came and hung there. Bobby was good action and would play anybody.

Beard

(Of course, when I had money, or a backer, or was in good stroke, I would go into those joints as often as possible.)


i was into multi-tasking before it became a buzzword as the motorcycle thing and pool were my deal. When it came to pool i couldn't beat the best but i handled the rest. In the event i lost paying was optional.

By the time Mocks was jumpin i was pretty much done with pool as an income source.

Casa Madrid was the location of an incedible rumble. A few killer Mexicans jumped a biker who was flying solo and during the coarse of events the biker (samson) was stabbed. A few Saturday nights (mexican night) later bros started to arrive in groups of 2's and 3's. By 11 pm there were 40 or so bros on board and they, in mass, descended on the mexicans. The carnage lasted no longer than two minutes, the bros were in the wind before the fife's arrived. By any chance were you hanging around there when "bunny's" backer/tushog shot and killed the bouncer/cleanup dude?

Do you recall any of the 3 Belvedere brothers (frequented El Morroco, Casa Madrid, etc.) who were the W. suburbs version of the O'sheas?

Did you and bobby ever play?
 
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I believe Bobby...

I had the privilege of playing Bobby out at Eric's place in Vegas...

He would only play me one hole but he knew how to move... I was getting 9-8, 10-8 and he ended up winner.

I don't play a lot of one pocket but if he gave me a cut at all I was a danger to get out, so it wasn't a pushover matchup at all.

Bobby's the real deal although I would like to get a chance to play him some nineball or tenball one of these days...

Jaden
 
I will swear on my mom, thats its all true. I played Cotton 5 days a week for 2 years and we have talked endless hours about his road days and mine, of course my time on the road was very little compared to Cotton of course. He shared many many stories with me and he never told the same story two different ways. Guys who are BS'ers never can tell the same story the same twice IMO, I heard Cotton tell some of the same stories to other people here at my house, as we awalys seemed to have some pool player(s) passing thru. The tails he would tell were awalys the same, if he lost playing someone-he would admit it. I never ever heard Cotton say something one way and then a different way 6 months later and I have a real good memory for that kind of stuff.

Also I have been friends with Billy Teeter for 22 or 23 years, Cotton and Teeter went to alaska together on the road. I remember Billy telling me about that, I thought it was great Alaska!!! Who would go that far to play??, they did thats who. I remember Billy telling me how they laid it down up there to get the $$$. When Cotton told me the story 20 years later his version was EXACTLY the same as what Billy told me in the 80's. So that checked out 100%.


Additionally if his book was fiction I'd say so. I wouldnt stake my reputation on Cottons book by endorsing it if it was fiction and represented as true. Cotton has no reason to lie about any thing thats in that book, and the guys that he talks about in that are still around, go ask them how it went down. Cotton has spent so much time on the road and been in so many spots that the book is just a high lite reel, he could write a book a year for the next 5 years and still have not told all the tails of the road.


On the topic of Books, Jay Helferts book was all real as well, I was around for lots of the things that happened in his book and it all went down as I remembered, These guys have been around for years and have great memories. Were lucky to have them write books. I spent about 5-6 months total in my life on the road and I had a few things happen that would be great material for a book, but I didnt spend enough time on the road, dont remember enough and didnt play good enough to write a book that would be any good. My point is these guys really did it, just like it says in the book. I did a fraction of it so I know how things can happen in pool rooms and bars. There is no reason to write fiction after 40 years on the road. If Cotton or Jay wanted to write a fictional book, they would do a great job of it but they would also make it clear its fiction. They have too much pride to lie about what they did. You have no idea how proud Cotton is of his book, its his lifes story.

I haven't read Helferts book, but I can tell you this. Besides having "man problems", he has shown in real life that he doesn't have any nerve. ..(on a typewriter, that's a different story) Don't really care what kind of tag team comes on this board and says anything different. Cotton, that's a different story that I'd believe, as I've run with the baddest ghosts. Don't think (as a roadman) you could pick up any real knowledge from Heffer. IMO
 
truthfully...

i was into multi-tasking before it became a buzzword as the motorcycle thing and pool were my deal. When it came to pool i couldn't beat the best but i handled the rest. In the event i lost paying was optional.

By the time Mocks was jumpin i was pretty much done with pool as an income source.

Casa Madrid was the location of an incedible rumble. A few killer Mexicans jumped a biker who was flying solo and during the coarse of events the biker (samson) was stabbed. A few Saturday nights (mexican night) later bros started to arrive in groups of 2's and 3's. By 11 pm there were 40 or so bros on board and they, in mass, descended on the mexicans. The carnage lasted no longer than two minutes, the bros were in the wind before the fife's arrived. By any chance were you hanging around there when "bunny's" backer/tushog shot and killed the bouncer/cleanup dude?

Do you recall any of the 3 Belvedere brothers (frequented El Morroco, Casa Madrid, etc.) who were the W. suburbs version of the O'sheas?

Did you and bobby ever play?


I missed the killing and the mex/biker rumble but I did see plenty of beefs. I dont recall the Belvedere bros, no surprise as that was 40 yrs ago.
Also, unbelievably, I would bet my life that Bobby and I played a few times, but I cant remember who, what or when!??? The weird part is that he was around Chicago for a long while and I knew him real well. I kinda remember him coming into my first joint, the 4 B's Club and I think we played 1pkt. I dont know if I won or lost.??? I know I wouldnt have played him 9 ball and he wouldnt have played me banks. For as long as he was around Chicago we would have had to hook up at many points. I wouldnt have played him 9 ball on the bar table, but I would have played 8 ball or bank. I know I always liked him, but I used to play with my friends back then anyway. I also cant remember even one guy that I played in the Casa Madrid, even tho I went in there often. I musta played Dave Webb but I cant really remember.
Those years putting coke up my nose must have destroyed some brain cells.

Beard

I can however, remember vividly, playing doctor when I was around 4 years old.
 
I missed the killing and the mex/biker rumble but I did see plenty of beefs. I dont recall the Belvedere bros, no surprise as that was 40 yrs ago.
Also, unbelievably, I would bet my life that Bobby and I played a few times, but I cant remember who, what or when!??? The weird part is that he was around Chicago for a long while and I knew him real well. I kinda remember him coming into my first joint, the 4 B's Club and I think we played 1pkt. I dont know if I won or lost.??? I know I wouldnt have played him 9 ball and he wouldnt have played me banks. For as long as he was around Chicago we would have had to hook up at many points. I wouldnt have played him 9 ball on the bar table, but I would have played 8 ball or bank. I know I always liked him, but I used to play with my friends back then anyway. I also cant remember even one guy that I played in the Casa Madrid, even tho I went in there often. I musta played Dave Webb but I cant really remember.
Those years putting coke up my nose must have destroyed some brain cells.

Beard

I can however, remember vividly, playing doctor when I was around 4 years old.


me 2, but i never got into stroke:o
 
I haven't read Helferts book, but I can tell you this. Besides having "man problems", he has shown in real life that he doesn't have any nerve. ..(on a typewriter, that's a different story) Don't really care what kind of tag team comes on this board and says anything different. Cotton, that's a different story that I'd believe, as I've run with the baddest ghosts. Don't think (as a roadman) you could pick up any real knowledge from Heffer. IMO

I'm not sure what kind of "man" problems you are referring to, maybe you can be more specific. You seem to have a problem with me, which is okay. Why don't you tell me your name PUBLICLY if you have the heart! And then when we meet you can tell me how you feel in person. That's the way I like to do it when I have a problem with someone. That's the kind of man I am.

As far as me not being a "real" pool player, I suggest you get a reference from your hero, Bobby "Cotton" LeBlanc. I never claimed to be a champion (not on here or in my book), but I've played HUNDREDS of guys for money in my life, including many "name" players. I've run with a few "bad" guys myself and one of them is staying with me now. If you ever said anything bad about me in front of him, you'd probably be seeing stars soon. He's a little more unstable than me. :wink:
 
The truth about Cottons book

Thank you for answering my question bobby,it just made the book even better knowing that it is all true,i didnt mean no harm to you by saying what i said about your book,i am just glad you set me straight on the facts,and like i said in my first post,your book is a great read and very enjoyable,thank you again for your answers cotton!

I can tell you this, everything Bobby wrote in the book about our time together on the road is the absolute truth with the exception, I was a much better player (in my mind) than he gave me credit for.

I hope someone turns the book into a movie so the public could see how it really was.

Dick Clark
 
"confessions of a pool hustler"

Hey Jay has been around the block once or twice himself and he banks pretty sporty also ! Shoot every body hits em good at times, Jay has put me in action years ago when I was broke in Houston, he's a good dude !
 
"confessions of a pool hustler"

Oh yeah, I played Freddy one pocket a couple of times at the Billiard Cafe in Chicago and he played really good on me. I think I won once and lost once. But I will tell you that I've never had a more fun time playing any body as I did with Freddy ! I learned a couple of crazy banks watching him too !
 
Hey Jay has been around the block once or twice himself and he banks pretty sporty also ! Shoot every body hits em good at times, Jay has put me in action years ago when I was broke in Houston, he's a good dude !


Thanks buddy. And you won too! I think you played Little Joe that time? Or maybe it was his running partner from Colorado, Pete Trujillo?? I don't remember now, but you did win. I was busy doing something else and just remember you coming back with a smile on your face and some cheese!
 
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I haven't read Helferts book, but I can tell you this. Besides having "man problems", he has shown in real life that he doesn't have any nerve. ..(on a typewriter, that's a different story) Don't really care what kind of tag team comes on this board and says anything different. Cotton, that's a different story that I'd believe, as I've run with the baddest ghosts. Don't think (as a roadman) you could pick up any real knowledge from Heffer. IMO

Jays booh was/is a great read, i have enjoyed it many times. He travelled in differenrt circles than Bobby. So thier books are different-but both are worthy or owning and reading and re-reading several times. JAys book is dead nuts accurate as well, I was around for a good bit of the time he writes about, or knew people who were. I'd recommend Jays book to anyone. Same for Bobbys book. Its two different life long players accounts of their indidivual stories,


i only been around 25 years so I cant write a book yet, LOL-my hair is too brown, and all there so I need to lose some hair and have whats left turn gray then i'll write a book. LOL:wink:
 
thinking about it, compairing Jay and Bobby is apples and oranges.

I know both guys real real good. Bobby more so than Jay. But I know Jay real good. Their approach to pool was different. they travled different pathes. I think we all have.
 
book collector...What a great post, and spot on! It reminds of the truthful saying, "Anybody can beat anybody, on a given day" Cotton never said he beat everybody who ever stepped up, at any time. He told stories about the ones that did, on the days where he was playing his best. That's the entertainment value of the book. I'm looking forward to reading Bobby's book myself!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Every pool player thats spent a lot of years at the game has had some great days, when no one had to beat them, and a lot of days they couldn't run out if their life depended on it.
I tend to give any author the benefit of the doubt if only for the simple fact they spent their money to publish the book.
Lots of people know me and know the speed I play and if I were to tell them I won a tournament, race to 7 nine ball and had to play and beat at least 5 players in it who gave me, at least the 7, and one the wild 5, they know I am not a liar but it would be hard to believe.
It did happen , I have the tournament sheet to prove it.
I hope you enjoyed your pool life Bobby, a lot of great players don't.
 
thinking about it, compairing Jay and Bobby is apples and oranges.

I know both guys real real good. Bobby more so than Jay. But I know Jay real good. Their approach to pool was different. they travled different pathes. I think we all have.

We crossed paths more than once! :rolleyes:
 
Jay...Just FYI, Cheyenne Pete was from WY, not CO! LOL I'll give a little props, though, because Cheyenne WY is right on the border with CO! :grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Thanks Scott. I forgot his nickname, but that's the same guy. Short and chubby, but a pretty steady little player. And he could gamble pretty good too. His other partner Chuey Rivera was the better player though. Chuey was tough action, especially on the small tables.
 
"confessions of a pool hustler"

Hey Jay, the player that you staked me to play in Houston was a really good player named Gilbert Martinez. I won about 800 from him which seems like a million when you're broke, haha. He is a class act also and a real gentleman to gamble against.
 
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