Willie Mosconi Quiz on why he did this?

genomachino

genomachino

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I just recently discovered that in one of the great masters books that he talks about his aiming.

If he was cutting a ball to the right he would walk into it from the left.

If he was cutting the ball to the left he would walk into it from the right.

In fact sometimes this influenced which way he would walk around the table to shoot a shot.

There is a very distinct reason for this. I sure wish he was still around so I could talk to him. It would be pretty interesting. He knew and understood some things that many players never even thought about.

No wonder he played so well.

Does anyone know Why??????????
 
genomachino said:
I just recently discovered that in one of the great masters books that he talks about his aiming.

If he was cutting a ball to the right he would walk into it from the left.

If he was cutting the ball to the left he would walk into it from the right.

In fact sometimes this influenced which way he would walk around the table to shoot a shot.

There is a very distinct reason for this. I sure wish he was still around so I could talk to him. It would be pretty interesting. He knew and understood some things that many players never even thought about.

No wonder he played so well.

Does anyone know Why??????????
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Where did you find this info?

So far as I know - he only 'wrote' 2 instructional books<both were actually
written by someone else> and 1 'autobiography'<co-written>

I'm more than a little familiar with all three.

I don't recall seeing anything like this.

Does he explain why?

Dale<still tryin' to learn>
 
Gee, don't a lot people walk into many shots this way? I do, and the reason is simply that I walk into the shot from where I was standing directly behind the OB and it's line to the pocket.
 
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Willie had Natural Ability-

he grew up watching-Alfred De Oro ,Frank Taberski,and Ralph Greenleaf. He watched them set up shots and just made them.Practice day after day.He copied there styles.











How about a HARDER QUESTION GENE,MARK
 
Nice Tidbit!!!

Geno,
Youre thread caught my eye. Interesting find you have there. Its actually in my book not exactly the way you describe it but in my book I warn against developing a habit of walking over to the object ball and staring past to the pocket to the point of habit. But what I do support is taking a step over from the cue ball about half way over. I call this the "Step Over Line." Its gets you a little closer to seeing the line and gets you used to knowing how much contact youre going to have with the ball and how much pressure you will hit the rail with which helps things positionally.
I never knew Mosconi did that until this thread but it seems to make perfect sense to me for a lot of reasons. Ive never considered walking in from anyother direction other than from behind the cue ball to arrive at correct delivery position. What I think he is doing is getting an idea from his sideways approach of exactly how far over to one side he needs to adjust to achieve that correct delivery setup.
Who is to say you cant do it from the side? His record speaks volumes. Nice tidbit, thanks for bringing it up. I did not comment just to promote my stuff, I found your information very good. Take care.

336Robin :thumbup:
 
PocketPoint said:
Gene is a good pitch man, much like Billy Mays.

I can't say if Perfect Aim works or not, but I do know Gene is a great pitch man!

And I do know he's a good player as well.
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If you think Gene is a good player then it must work for him, and judging by the numerous testimonials it must work for alot of people. Walking in from the side of the cut is good advice, while I think most people just lean or bend towards the cut in pre-shot to get the accurate picture.
 
genomachino said:
I just recently discovered that in one of the great masters books that he talks about his aiming.

If he was cutting a ball to the right he would walk into it from the left.

If he was cutting the ball to the left he would walk into it from the right.

In fact sometimes this influenced which way he would walk around the table to shoot a shot.

There is a very distinct reason for this. I sure wish he was still around so I could talk to him. It would be pretty interesting. He knew and understood some things that many players never even thought about.

No wonder he played so well.

Does anyone know Why??????????
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I do the same thing, That is my starting point
 
genomachino said:
I just recently discovered that in one of the great masters books that he talks about his aiming.

If he was cutting a ball to the right he would walk into it from the left.

If he was cutting the ball to the left he would walk into it from the right.

In fact sometimes this influenced which way he would walk around the table to shoot a shot.
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Reference and page number, please.

Lou Figueroa
 
genomachino said:
I just recently discovered that in one of the great masters books that he talks about his aiming.

If he was cutting a ball to the right he would walk into it from the left.

If he was cutting the ball to the left he would walk into it from the right.

In fact sometimes this influenced which way he would walk around the table to shoot a shot.

There is a very distinct reason for this. I sure wish he was still around so I could talk to him. It would be pretty interesting. He knew and understood some things that many players never even thought about.

No wonder he played so well.

Does anyone know Why??????????
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Your observation is essentially correct, Geno.
I know as a youngster, when me and my buddies would go to the Saturday movie show, we would oftimes walk in backwards which made the ticket taker think we were leaving. It only worked about fifty percent of the time, but saved us a lot of money. :wink:
 
Now you tell me?

Tramp Steamer said:
Your observation is essentially correct, Geno.
I know as a youngster, when me and my buddies would go to the Saturday movie show, we would oftimes walk in backwards which made the ticket taker think we were leaving. It only worked about fifty percent of the time, but saved us a lot of money. :wink:
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Thanks for sharing your secret here.

If I tried walking in backwards now I'd probably get dizzy and fall over now.

If I'd only known 40 years ago. just think of the money I would have saved when I was a kid and the fun of just trying it.

Sounds like a good pool lesson, when a player learns something they wish they would have known a long time ago and I think all good teachers have had players say this.

Where were you 30 years ago. Wow. I wish I would have known this then................
 
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Thanks for the great clip.........

duckie said:
For your viewing pleasure, a little clip of Mosconi......
http://vimeo.com/4957545
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Thanks you for contributing this clip.

You will notice that Willie is left eye dominant. And notice that when he is trying to leave a break shot that he leaves one that gives him a cut to the left to break the balls. It also makes it easier for him to reach the shot.

But being left eye dominant is definitely an advantage for a straight pool player. One, they can reach the shot when cutting to the lefty and second, the left eye more naturally gets to the correct position to see the shot well.

If a person is right eye dominant and they leave this break shot so they can reach it they are at a huge disadvantage cutting it to the left using the non dominant eye to aim for the most part. They have at least a 10% to 15% more chance of missing the break shot, a recipe for destruction when your playing straight pool.

If you question whether he is left eye dominant just look at the overhead when he shots a shot. The cue looks like it is almost to his left ear.

If you are right eye dominant it should be easier for you to cut to the right. Left would be to the left.

I'll bet if there is a tape showing his 500 and some run that almost all of his break shots were on the left side of the rack.

He might have done this just because he could reach it better or he knew something very important.

Or it could be that he knew that he missed some shots on the right side so he just avoided it and went with the percentages.

Regardless, it sure would have been fun to pick his brain and see what wisdom he had collected over the years.

And if you notice he always does the preshot except when he stretches out for a shot or just seems to be in a hurry for the camera.

The tough part is sometimes we don't do it like we should when we're talking and trying to demonstrate. I for one sometimes can't make a ball while I'm talking and giving a lesson. I skip a part of my routine and bam. I'm trying to make a new hole where there isn't one.

But for the most part Willie is spot on with his routine and what he is doing.

Is there any footage of his big run or any other runs he had in competition.

That would tell the real story for sure and would be so fun to watch.

Everyone could learn from this for sure.
 
genomachino said:
Thanks you for contributing this clip.

You will notice that Willie is left eye dominant. And notice that when he is trying to leave a break shot that he leaves one that gives him a cut to the left to break the balls. It also makes it easier for him to reach the shot.

But being left eye dominant is definitely an advantage for a straight pool player. One, they can reach the shot when cutting to the lefty and second, the left eye more naturally gets to the correct position to see the shot well.

If a person is right eye dominant and they leave this break shot so they can reach it they are at a huge disadvantage cutting it to the left using the non dominant eye to aim for the most part. They have at least a 10% to 15% more chance of missing the break shot, a recipe for destruction when your playing straight pool.

If you question whether he is left eye dominant just look at the overhead when he shots a shot. The cue looks like it is almost to his left ear.

If you are right eye dominant it should be easier for you to cut to the right. Left would be to the left.

I'll bet if there is a tape showing his 500 and some run that almost all of his break shots were on the left side of the rack.

He might have done this just because he could reach it better or he knew something very important.

Or it could be that he knew that he missed some shots on the right side so he just avoided it and went with the percentages.

Regardless, it sure would have been fun to pick his brain and see what wisdom he had collected over the years.

And if you notice he always does the preshot except when he stretches out for a shot or just seems to be in a hurry for the camera.

The tough part is sometimes we don't do it like we should when we're talking and trying to demonstrate. I for one sometimes can't make a ball while I'm talking and giving a lesson. I skip a part of my routine and bam. I'm trying to make a new hole where there isn't one.

But for the most part Willie is spot on with his routine and what he is doing.

Is there any footage of his big run or any other runs he had in competition?

That would tell the real story for sure and would be so fun to watch.

Everyone could learn from this for sure.
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Thanks again for the clip...........
 
Sorry Lou........

lfigueroa said:
I guess you're not going to give up the reference and page number?

Lou Figueroa
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Hi there Lou,

How are things in St Louis. Dustin Morris has the book here in Minneapolis and I've been trying to get ahold of him after your request.

It's one of those paperback.

I left a message on his phone. I'll just have to wait until he calls.

Hang in there. I'll get it............

I think I'll buy his books for myself. Kind of like collectimg history.

Kind of interesting to say the least........
 
As a kid i bought his book and im 90% sure he recommended outside English on rail shots as it transferred 'go in' English to the OB. I wasted a year or so employing this to no good effect.
 
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