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Does anyone else find it odd that some of these people are doing reviews of an idea or product recently that have been strongly for or against that very idea or product for many years? Doesn't a fair review start off from a neutral party based solely on that product or idea?
 
Does anyone else find it odd that some of these people are doing reviews of an idea or product recently that have been strongly for or against that very idea or product for many years? Doesn't a fair review start off from a neutral party based solely on that product or idea?

A review as I see it is someone's opinion. I think many of the reviews are "fair" within reason. Everyone brings their own opinions to bear on any review they do. Even if they try to be objective, their own experiences will, in my opinion, bias their review. As consumers of others' reviews we all too often dismiss them when they run counter to our own held beliefs. This is human nature.

You raise a good point when you state above that a "fair" (and what is that exactly? Impartial?) review might start off with a neutral party. One of the problems is that it is difficult find a truly neutral party that also has enough experience with the subject matter being reviewed (in this case aiming methods and pool skills in general).

In my opinion most qualified reviewers also have their own opinions. The general consensus though does not always side with "expert" opinion. Some people much prefer either their own counsel, or the opinions of their friends or other "known to them" reviewers.

I for one am thankful that we still have the freedom to voice our opinions and that we have a forum in which to do so. Pool can only benefit from this practice.

We may all disagree on many things but perhaps we can agree on the freedom of speech and the need for dissenting voices from time to time?
 
Does anyone else find it odd that some of these people are doing reviews of an idea or product recently that have been strongly for or against that very idea or product for many years? Doesn't a fair review start off from a neutral party based solely on that product or idea?


Is there such a thing as a Neutral Unbiased review of anything? I suspect that most people base their reviews on like or dislike of whatever they are reviewing. Now a persons like or dislike can be the very idea of it because it go's against a persons experience or in some cases because they have negative feelings about the person who made it.

I suppose in the end all is based upon opinion's, so who can be neutral.
 
Who didn't know Lou's review would be negative? He's been anti-CTE and aiming systems in general for as long as I can remember. That's like having Hitler do a review on Passover.

He sent'er in for Patrick - and that he did.
 
Who didn't know Lou's review would be negative? He's been anti-CTE and aiming systems in general for as long as I can remember. That's like having Hitler do a review on Passover.

He sent'er in for Patrick - and that he did.

Spider, stay cool, but Stan's DVD isn't the holy grail it was supposed to be. Apparently Dr. Dave has made good progress in interpreting Stan's work as evidenced by your and others' condemnation of Dr. Dave for supposedly having put Stan's whole system out on his website.

If that is the whole system, and Stan failed to put it into his DVD in a fashion mortals can grasp, then what did Stan sell everyone? It is a good thing Dr. Dave put the information out - or do you think everyone should get air-barreled by Stan? Truthfully, I think most of Stan's customers are appreciative of Dr. Dave's efforts.

I realize that you and some others are also trying to assist everyone you can, but maybe you should be working with Dr. Dave instead of against him. It seems that most who bought the DVD are still in the dark. Was that the plan, and Dr. Dave is screwing it up?
 
It seems that most who bought the DVD are still in the dark.

And how did you come to that conclusion? How many people have complained about the DVD? How many DVDs have been sold? My guess is you don't have a clue on either one those numbers. Just another negative statement with no foundation.
 
PocketPoint...I don't know who you are (and don't really care), but trying to denigrate the BCA, just because you didn't care for Stan's Pro One dvd is comeplete BS. The Certified Instructor program is there for a reason...to provide reasonably consistent instruction to anyone looking for it (and to provide a platform for those wishing to become qualified instructors). There is no other "association" out there that makes any kind of 'certification' available. Stan's dvd has nothing to do with his status as a BCA instructor, and many people who will buy the dvd and/or take lessons from Stan, will do it because they believe in the product/person...not just because of something like being 'BCA-certified'! It is quite obvious that you are biased, for whatever reason. Ignorance is bliss for some people.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I think it's just a case of Stan using his BCA status in order to sell DVD's. There's nothing wrong with that. People in the pool world have done much worse for money.

As a buyer, you just have to be careful of what you're buying.

I think this hustle only works once though. I don't think people will fall for it if he tries to revise it.
 
I think it's just a case of Stan using his BCA status in order to sell DVD's. There's nothing wrong with that. People in the pool world have done much worse for money.

As a buyer, you just have to be careful of what you're buying.

I think this hustle only works once though. I don't think people will fall for it if he tries to revise it.

No need for revision it's complete. What don't you understand?
 
Agreed. But don't you think the BCA should keep track of what products it's instructors are trying to sell?

It does not look good for the BCA to have one of it's instructors trying to sell a DVD that deceives people.

I am not personally against Stan. I've just read all the threads, and this is the conclusion I've come up with. Nobody really gets it, no one fully understands it. You need a lesson with Stan etc....

I got it! I get it! I understand it!
 
Agreed. But don't you think the BCA should keep track of what products it's instructors are trying to sell?

It does not look good for the BCA to have one of it's instructors trying to sell a DVD that deceives people.

I am not personally against Stan. I've just read all the threads, and this is the conclusion I've come up with. Nobody really gets it, no one fully understands it. You need a lesson with Stan etc....

The BCA program should kiss the ground Stan walks on for putting out that video. It's the very, very best content on CTE (which is core curriculum to many of the nation's top BCA instructors).

You, like some others, have an agenda when it comes to this topic.
 
Agreed. But don't you think the BCA should keep track of what products it's instructors are trying to sell?

It does not look good for the BCA to have one of it's instructors trying to sell a DVD that deceives people.

If you've noticed, there are a few other prominent BCA instructors here who teach a version of CTE. Apparently they "get it".

(They also point out that they don't force it on anyone. If the student wants to learn it, they teach it.)

You search for conspiricies that don't exist. Either that, or you simply like stirring the pot. I believe I know which one applies in this case.
 
I think it's just a case of Stan using his BCA status in order to sell DVD's. There's nothing wrong with that. People in the pool world have done much worse for money.

As a buyer, you just have to be careful of what you're buying.

I think this hustle only works once though. I don't think people will fall for it if he tries to revise it.

You are way out of line on this one. Have you ever met Stan? I am guessing not. How can you proclaim that someone is using his "status" to sell out for money? You are making a claim against someone's character whom you have never met.

I don't chime in on these aiming threads, but claiming Stan is trying to screw people out of their money shows a little of your character. You may not have liked the DVD, but now you are claiming that no one thought it was worth while. Do you speak for the entire pool playing population?

You really are a troll. Next time you make a bold statement like that, why don't you try backing it up with some facts. Stan is a great guy who believes whole heartedly in his work, regardless if everyone agrees. Who are you to denigrate someone else's work. Everyone is free to their opinion's of the DVD, but don't try to downgrade someone you know nothing about. Go back under the rock you came from.

I wish I could really say to you what I would like to, but I won't. I don't know that anything has pissed me off as much as your statement since I've been on this forum.
 
Agreed. But don't you think the BCA should keep track of what products it's instructors are trying to sell?

It does not look good for the BCA to have one of it's instructors trying to sell a DVD that deceives people.

I am not personally against Stan. I've just read all the threads, and this is the conclusion I've come up with. Nobody really gets it, no one fully understands it. You need a lesson with Stan etc....

BCA should not have to keep track of the products sold by those that they have certified as instructors.

Mercedes mechanics don't need their repairs OK'd by Mercedes, AFLAC could care less which policies you are paying for and BCA doesn't need to approve a method of instruction.

Aiming systems are nothing more than a crutch (albeit, a useful one) for incorrectly sighting the shot. The best that they have to offer is to ween you off of the system so that you can shoot freely without making unnatural adjustments. This is why I do not like aiming systems as a fix by themselves, as they involve additional steps to get to where you should be to begin with. I also know which way I(that's right, I said "I") learn best, and it is not through DVDs.

To try to assault Dr. Dave's character or to suggest his years of education were falsified (or whatever) is just plain stupid. I may not have to agree with everything somebody says, but I cannot disagree with the hard information that he provides. Not to mention the amount of time and effort that man has spent to get those facts out to others is just incredible.

I'm a HAMBer and always will be.

That said - congratulations to JoeyA for putting his money where his mouth is and showing a strong finish with CTE. People (myself included) asked for results, and he's shown them.
 
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Which one do you think applies?

I think you've been purposefully inciting a riot on here. Between implying that Stan is stealing, trying to cheat people, charging the BCA should be reviewing his DVD, etc.... all of which are horsesh*t and equates to you poking the tiger.

Most of these threads are spinning out of control because of your riot-inciting comments. It's fine to have an opinion in either direction; however, you've made it a personal agenda to blow up each thread. I hope the mods take notice to your trolling.
 
Am I the one coming out with reviews that the DVD is incomplete? That's all I read here, that it just confuses you. I am not the only one saying this.

What am I supposed to say?

You're trolling. The DVD is NOT incomplete. If you didn't understand it-- fine. But, incomplete it's not. You don't even know what "complete" is.
 
Am I the one coming out with reviews that the DVD is incomplete? That's all I read here, that it just confuses you. I am not the only one saying this.

What am I supposed to say?

According to a lot of replies, many think your just trolling and stirring sh1t
 
Banks...Just to set the record straight, the BCA does have a "seal of approval" program in place, to review and support/deny BCA approval of any product. AFAIK, it is the only "official" review process available. That said, products/systems are submitted to the BCA for unbiased review. Materials are reviewed by 5 different people. 4 out of 5 must positively review the product before it meets the criteria for approval. BCA Certification is not a requirement to submit any product, and as such, doesn't guarantee automatic acceptance or decline of any specific product. Manufacturers/inventors pay for this service, and if declined, are given reasons for it, and an opportunity to make changes that will allow the product to be reviewed again. Should Stan wish to gain the BCA Seal of Approval, or not, that is his decision. The same goes for whether he submits the Pro One dvd to be reviewed by George Fels (BD), Tom Shaw (P & B), or any of the other magazines...or not. It is solely Stan's decision and/or choice.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

BCA should not have to keep track of the products sold by those that they have certified as instructors.

Mercedes mechanics don't need their repairs OK'd by Mercedes, AFLAC could care less which policies you are paying for and BCA doesn't need to approve a method of instruction.
 
Dave...Tap, tap, tap! Well said!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I think you've been purposefully inciting a riot on here. Between implying that Stan is stealing, trying to cheat people, charging the BCA should be reviewing his DVD, etc.... all of which are horsesh*t and equates to you poking the tiger.

Most of these threads are spinning out of control because of your riot-inciting comments. It's fine to have an opinion in either direction; however, you've made it a personal agenda to blow up each thread. I hope the mods take notice to your trolling.
 
Am I the one coming out with reviews that the DVD is incomplete? That's all I read here, that it just confuses you. I am not the only one saying this.

What am I supposed to say?

You might have more to say that actually means something IF you had purchased the DVD. Or at least viewed it.

My guess is that you haven't.

Guess what? I haven't either. But you don't see me making harsh statements about it's validity, or "completeness" as I don't have any perspective on that. So how can you?

The answer is you can't. Therefore, you are indeed a troll. Interested in only stirring the stuff.
 
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