Is it possible to throw an object ball? Nope

OK...

I just put four balls in a square, froze them all together, and then took two balls away (opposite corners) thus I could only shoot the fartherst ball, and the remaining closest ball would prevent me from "cheating" by trying to cut versus throwing the ball.

I'll be damned, I could not throw the ball with top, center or bottom right hand English, and used several different cues to make sure it was not the tip, or what. OK, I'm stumped. Sorry, PJ, I have to go over to Ron's side now. Because I"m completely confused now !!!! Either I'm very stupid, which is always a good possibility or I did this wrong..... but I could not throw a ball to save my life. I tried for over 30 minutes and NO GO ! wtf !! I know I threw balls for the past few decades but can't now ??

PJ, you know I love you man, but until I can throw a ball, I have officially defected from your camp!! best regards, Benedict RJ
 
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I AM A POKER PLAYER NOT A POOL PLAYER ANYMORE BUT i DO LOVE TO TEACH AND FIND THINGS OUT ABOUT THE GAME THAT NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW...I HAVE DONE A LOT OF HOMEWORK ON THIS SUBJECT AND WITH SOME GREAT AND VERY WELL KNOWN PLAYERS THAT WE ALL KNOW. THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON IN MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY THINK THEY ARE THROWING AN OB. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS AND PEOPLE DO NOT LOOK FOR IT.

DR. DAVE DOES IT ON HIS VIDEO ABOUT THROWING AN OB IT'S HARD TO SEE BUT HE DOES IT. YOU CAN LOOK AT HIS VIDEO AND LOOK CAREFULLY AND MAYBE YOU'LL SEE IT..THESE ARE THE VERY REASONS THAT I DON'T PLAY POOL ANYMORE, THERE ARE TO MANY OPINIONS AND NOT ENOUGH FACT.

YOU KNOW I HUNG OUT WITH EFERN BUSM. ANDAM RAFAEL M. FOR 5 YEARS WHEN THEY WOULD COME PHILLY AND STAY WITH SPANISH MIKE FOR 4-6 WEEKS AND I WOULD NEVER WATCH THE BALL GO IN THE HOLE. AFTER ALL YOU HAVE TO KNOW THEY NEVER MISS..SO I WATCHED THERE BACK HAND AND THE TIP OF THEIR STICK AND STROKE AND LEARNED MORE THAN ANYBODY AT SOUTH PHILA BILLIARDS. I MOVED TO PHILLY TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY POOL WHEN I WAS 50 YO, I AM BORN AN RAISED IN PA. TILL I WAS 20 I MOVED TO NYC. THEY USED TO THINK I WAS CRAZY WHEN THEY WOULD SEE ME ON THE TABLE FOR 8 HOURS WITH JUST THE CB. OH YES I KNOW VERY WELL HOW TO PLAY POOL I PLAYED EVERY DAY FOR 4.5 YEARS WITH THE BEST IN THE WORLD AND I HAD THIS CHANCE THAT MOST OF YOU WOULD DIE FOR. IF I WERE TO WRITE THE NAMES, I WOULD USE MORE LETTERS THAN I JUST WROTE.

ALL I EVER WANTED TO DO WAS MAKE POOL EASIER TO LEARN AND I HAVE DONE THAT. MOST OF THE TIME I DO IT FOR FREE.

HAPPY HUNTING, I STILL LOVE YOU ALL
RONV
 
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My man Ron V how are you. I missed the last trip up by Dave, I had my son that week.... Im looking forward to getting back up there I always leave NY feeling like Ive learned something Huge!!!!! Im going to talk to Dave and make a date to get up there!!! Miss ya,I hope all is well!!
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Patrick Johnson said:
What kind do you think I'm talking about? I only know one definition for "throw".

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Patrick, I thought everyone knew the difference between regular "throw" and the much more sophisticated "thurrow". Only players with advanced skill and knowledge can accomplish "thurrow". I will bet one million dollars I can do it better than anyone else! I am so good that sometimes I even scare myself. :grin:
 
ChicagoRJ said:
I just put four balls in a square, froze them all together, and then took two balls away (opposite corners) thus I could only shoot the fartherst ball, and the remaining closest ball would prevent me from "cheating" by trying to cut versus throwing the ball.
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With blocking ball shots, in order to hit the second ball perfectly square you have to touch the blocking ball too (without moving it) - that's difficult.

These two shots are easy and eliminate any possibility of cutting the second object ball. The one on the left demonstrates "contact induced" throw and the one on the right demonstrates "spin induced" throw (you'll get less spin induced throw because the spin won't transfer fully through the first OB).

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drpjr said:
My man Ron V how are you. I missed the last trip up by Dave, I had my son that week.... Im looking forward to getting back up there I always leave NY feeling like Ive learned something Huge!!!!! Im going to talk to Dave and make a date to get up there!!! Miss ya,I hope all is well!!
donny p :thumbup:
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Count me in, had a great time last time we went.
 
If anyone has any doubts as to whether you can throw an object ball... just ask my wife when I come home late from the pool hall!:p
 
Why we listen to Bob Jewett....

Bob Jewett said:
Well, yes, but are you sure he didn't mean to say what he didn't say? It would be nice if he said now what he didn't mean to say, or even what he did mean to say if he meant to say it. I think we are dealing with an unknownable unknown at this time, but that doesn't prevent a spirited discussion.
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We regard Bob Jewett as an authority because he not only knows what he is talking about, but he says it well, uses examples and experiments, is succinct, and has a sense of humor. And he is nonconfrontational. Scientists don't pull knives out, they experiment and document.
We are glad you are participating Bob. Thanks.
 
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ChicagoRJ, your blocking ball shot is the same thing I attempted. This is one of those things that looks good on paper, but I'll be damned if I can get any noticeable throw on the object ball when I actually take it to the table and try it.
 
I took video last night...

Or rather I tried. I actually video taped proof positive that throw occurs twice last night, but the first time, the tape was defective so there were alternating plain blue lines in the tape when I transferred it to digital to post up and the second time for some reason when I tried to record straight from live to the computer, it only recorded the first frame for the whole 3 minutes.

What I did was set up a blocking ball shot with a stick lined up on the blocking ball so that the CB would have to cut the OB in line with the blocking ball or more so. That means that if throw doesn't take place the OB would have to cut back or straight from where the blocking ball was or the CB would have to hit the stick.

I will record it and post it maybe later tonight, but since it's my wife's B-day today I may not be able to until tomorrow. we'll see, but it definitely occurs...

Jaden
 
hunger strike said:
We regard Bob Jewett as an authority because he not only knows what he is talking about, but he says it well, uses examples and experiments, is succinct, and has a sense of humor. And he is nonconfrontational. Scientists don't pull knives out, they experiment and document.
We are glad you are participating Bob. Thanks.
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Ditto!

Although, I have to admit, it would be fun to see Bob with a knife! :grin-square:

Regards,
Dave
 
Patrick Johnson said:
With blocking ball shots, in order to hit the second ball perfectly square you have to touch the blocking ball too (without moving it) - that's difficult.

These two shots are easy and eliminate any possibility of cutting the second object ball. The one on the left demonstrates "contact induced" throw and the one on the right demonstrates "spin induced" throw (you'll get less spin induced throw because the spin won't transfer fully through the first OB).

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ok I'm no Bob J, but this doesn't look like a valid replacement. The shot on the left, yes collision induced throw. The shot on the right, you are getting throw off frozen balls, not off a spinning collision. Take away the 2 ball, and hit the 1 ball now, flat in the face with side spin (if you can do that for 100% certain, no deflect), will the 1 ball get thrown the same distance as the 2 did frozen?
 
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I don't see snyone can watch this and think that throw doesn't exist???

dr_dave said:
Here's a good video with plenty of proof that throw exists:

and the examples in the video are easy for anyone to replicate at a table.

Regards,
Dave
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What's really funny is that for the SIT shots, the squirt actually changes the cut angle in the opposite direction, so no one can say that the squirt actually changes the angle....lol....

Jaden

Well thanks for giving the link so I don't have to risk my marriage (joking) video taping billiards on my wife's B-day....lol
 
mohrt said:
ok I'm no Bob J, but this doesn't look like a valid replacement. The shot on the left, yes collision induced throw. The shot on the right, you are getting throw off frozen balls, not off a spinning collision. Take away the 2 ball, and hit the 1 ball now, flat in the face with side spin (if you can do that for 100% certain, no deflect), will the 1 ball get thrown the same distance as the 2 did frozen?
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Yes, static friction (frozen balls) is stronger than kinetic friction (moving balls), so frozen balls throw more, but that doesn't mean moving balls don't throw - the difference is only fractional. It may also be that the force of the collision adds enough friction to make up the difference (I'm not sure about this).

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I haven't read everything to this point so I apologize if I am rehashing.

Isn't it throwing an OB when two balls are frozen and aimed slightly out of the pocket? Then, you aim in the direction you want the OB to go and you can throw it in the pocket.
Isn't this an example of throwing the OB? I always thought it was.
 
Koop said:
I haven't read everything to this point so I apologize if I am rehashing.

Isn't it throwing an OB when two balls are frozen and aimed slightly out of the pocket? Then, you aim in the direction you want the OB to go and you can throw it in the pocket.
Isn't this an example of throwing the OB? I always thought it was.
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Yes.

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