Mr. Mark Griffin & Mr. Bill Stork

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To CaptCrunchMan

as I posted in the other related thread:

Not personally knowing most of the players involved in this dispute it was nice to hear from the League Operator's side (via you, her husband).

Some time back, there was a thread here involving multiple people in a major dispute where the two sides were each calling one another liars, and finally someone suggested that lie detector tests be done.

I don't recall who it was, but someone immediately responded back that no outside lie detectors would be necessary because the people of AZ served as lie detectors, just fine. And it is so true.

When Carl originally came on here with his thread about this, he stated his position and then when forum members tried engage him and dig a little deeper, it became readily apparent that he was not open to having a reasonable discussion.

Basically, I believe we got a very small taste of what you all must have been going through with him.

This is why, as you probably noticed, we have attempted to turn the unpleasantness into discussions featuring fun music references.

Best of luck to you and your wife in your future endeavors.

Best,
Brian kc
 
A brief answer for Kevin

First of all, as I said before, why don't you use you real name or does ananimity help you be a man?
As for your letters content, I was not banned for life only till June 1, 2011 next month. As much as the LO might have wished for more, thats it! Yes I have a complete ideas how much it takes to be banned by them; a letter requesting it from the LO to the BCAPL, it's that simple! There is no vote.
Now, how do you know how I voted, you were seated across from me and had your back to me and were looking behind you when the vote was taken and you didn't look around until the LO returned to her seat.
Yes, I know how much time she has in this league, I played on her team for all but the last year, and about how she lost her first venue in Port Angeles in her second year. And Mark Griffins voice, was that like the 32 members in the Juan de Fuca Pool League this last year? Everbody, check out their web site at www.juandefucapoolleague.com
Oh yes, the next league operator will have to deal with me, whether I play or not!!


CptCrunchMan said:
I asked this in the other forum and in a different thread, so I'll ask it here:

Carl, what color is the sky in your world?​

You are the one BCAPL banned for life. Doesn't that give you a clue? Moreover, do you have any idea how much it takes to be banned by them? I hear the vote was unanimous. You are done! The very fact that you are carrying this on means Jason (and the others) have you spot on: Carl, you are a loser! All this over the membership voting to call the 9-ball, even though you also voted in favor of the rule change. I know, because I sat right beside you at the meeting.

The reason is that she (and I) devoted 3 years and a TON of hours to this league, and it's time someone else took it over. She's retiring. Regarding BCAPL, twice Mark Griffin has voiced his disappointment to me about her stepping down, as he praised her abilities and work as LO.

Thankfully, because of the ban, Carl, whoever takes over the league won't have to deal with you. So, think whatever you like, because the truth seems to have absolutely no bearing on your opinion, and no place in your distorted and twisted world.

Jason, I appreciate your sagacity and your willingness to post what you did, ....even if it's obvious. He IS a loser!

Just so the forum knows, I am the husband of the LO, the league's statistician and grunt. Mark called yesterday and mentioned Carl hadn't stopped his BS. So, I told the LO that I'd put in a word here on her behalf because she's dealt with his garbage enough. But why address this? The best action to take with someone like him is to remove his arenas. I hope the moderators of this site look at what BCAPL did, then act on their wisdom.

Read the thread and must say, you seem like a fun and engaging group. However, this is my one and only post on your forum. Good luck with him.
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CptCrunchMan:

<shakes head> It boggles the imagination, doesn't it? Don't worry, methinks the lion's share of the readership here on AZB saw right through Carl's defamation and obstruction from the get-go.

In fact, henceforth here on AZB, "BCAPL" will stand for [B]ecause [C]arl [A]in't [P]layin' for [L]ife. :)

-Sean
 
Methinks JAM and I better brush up on our music-references...

:dance:

Good thing is I got a lot of similar nonsense banging around in my cranium.

Methinks this is gonna get good. Where's the popcorn?
 
C. Carl McConnell said:
First of all, as I said before, why don't you use you real name or does ananimity help you be a man?
As for your letters content, I was not banned for life only till June 1, 2011 next month. As much as the LO might have wished for more, thats it! Yes I have a complete ideas how much it takes to be banned by them; a letter requesting it from the LO to the BCAPL, it's that simple! There is no vote.
Now, how do you know how I voted, you were seated across from me and had your back to me and were looking behind you when the vote was taken and you didn't look around until the LO returned to her seat.
Yes, I know how much time she has in this league and about how she lost her first venue in Port Angeles in her second year. And Mark Griffins voice, was that like the 32 members in the Juan de Fuca Pool League this last year? Everbody, check out their web site at www.juandefucapoolleague.com
Oh yes, the next league operator will have to deal with me, whether I play or not!!
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Yes, you seem like a completely sane individual that people should listen to, I see it now.
 
C. Carl McConnell said:
First of all, as I said before, why don't you use you real name or does ananimity help you be a man?
As for your letters content, I was not banned for life only till June 1, 2011 next month. As much as the LO might have wished for more, thats it! Yes I have a complete ideas how much it takes to be banned by them; a letter requesting it from the LO to the BCAPL, it's that simple! There is no vote.
Now, how do you know how I voted, you were seated across from me and had your back to me and were looking behind you when the vote was taken and you didn't look around until the LO returned to her seat.
Yes, I know how much time she has in this league, I played on her team for all but the last year, and about how she lost her first venue in Port Angeles in her second year. And Mark Griffins voice, was that like the 32 members in the Juan de Fuca Pool League this last year? Everbody, check out their web site at www.juandefucapoolleague.com
Oh yes, the next league operator will have to deal with me, whether I play or not!!
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When its you against the world....bet on the world.
 
jcin said:
when its you against the world....bet on the world.
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justadub said:
Methinks JAM and I better brush up on our music-references...

:dance:

Good thing is I got a lot of similar nonsense banging around in my cranium.

Methinks this is gonna get good. Where's the popcorn?
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In essence, Justadub, when it comes to AzBilliards and pool, We *are* the World! :thumbup:
 
Once again Kevin, corrections;
Active or not I was a signed up member of the league in question until the LO announced that we were paying a modified game of call pocket 9-ball, at witch time I notified her that I woud play for two weeks then I would be done.
And your right there is nothing that the LO can do about it except cry to the parent like the child that you were.
If the league isn't playing a BCAPL game how can they be sanctioned, read the web site!
I didn't bother Kevin during his game, I acknowledged his presents but did not have anything to do with him, his response was vulgar!
He adds, "Thank you Mark and Bill. You have a fine and highly professional organization that not only listened to it's LO but bent over backwards to help", listened to it's LO, bent over backwards to help, theres the request of the BCAPL for this action from his own pen!!
Hey justnum, he didn't mention that over half the league was outside smoking when the vote was taken, those were the seasoned players that would have never voted in favor!!
C. Carl McConnell

CptCrunchMan said:
Please allow me one more post, even though I wrote that I'd only make one and I already did.

I am the husband of the LO, the league statistician and grunt. Carl was not an active member of our league. He was a member on another league and was supposed to be on our team in our league for 9-ball. However, he quit before he played one game. Therefore, he wasn't even a member.

When he broke all this loose, he DID interfere with matches, and there was no dealing with him. After MONTHS of borderline slander and erroneous information posted right beside our league pool tables - plus numerous incidents where he would rag on our membership - there was nothing the LO could do about him.

His very first post was a 3 page document he'd badly typed, to inform our members that (paraphrasing)"...because the 'calling the 9-ball rule' wasn't in the BCAPL rule book, ...your league may not be a BCAPL sanctioned league." This immediately sent tremendous doubt through our entire membership, even to the point of a few of them questioning the integrity and trustworthiness of the LO. And that was just the start of it.

He even brought a petition around during our league play and fought to convince members sign it. In the middle of a game, as he passed me with it in his hands, I told him where to go. I was fuming! So, if that's not bothering players, especially when he isn't even a member, what is?

Over these months, it just so happened that the BCAPL had also had their fill of his BS. They too came to a cross-roads. So, since he wasn't a member of our league, and considering the LO had no recourse, Mark and Bill and the BCAPL 'powers that be' decided the best move was to simply banish him. Since this didn't stop him, they have since made it permanent ....for life. But while banning him hasn't stopped him, it has given those he's attempting to bend their ear the foundation to see this guy for who he really is; he's a troublemaker, an idiot and a loser. And that's the brunt of what happened.

Regarding BCAPL, they have been completely transparent and have demonstrated far more patience than I would have; Carl simply isn't listening. Therefore, as a member of this BCAPL sanctioned league, may I say, "Thank you, Mark and Bill! You have a fine and highly professional organization that not only listened to its LO, but bent over backwards to help ...even though his attempts are to muddy your name as well."

And justnum, to be clear, there is no other issue except that Carl doesn't like the 'Calling the 9-ball' rule our league voted in, and he's even gone so far as to threaten the league and BCAPL with legal action unless they force our league to change it back. Yet, he even helped vote it in.

The mind boggles!

I'm done.
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C. Carl McConnell said:
Hey justnum, he didn't mention that over half the league was outside smoking when the vote was taken, those were the seasoned players that would have never voted in favor!!
C. Carl McConnell
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This juicy real life pool soap opera is great for a pool movie as back plot.

But in terms of the debate the two of you are having it seems to be healthy and very much needed. I will not interfere until I think it is over.

If there are other facts or details the thread should know it is helpful to post them.
 
"Hey justnum, he didn't mention that over half the league was outside smoking when the vote was taken, those were the seasoned players that would have never voted in favor!!
C. Carl McConnell "

They were outside smoking??? Well you know what they say.... Where there's smoke there's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biPHAS9OiTQ
 
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A word of advise

Dude,

You really need to re think your behavior! The BCA and the two gentleman you named have to back up and support the people in their organization! They have to do this for their organization to function. What type of leader sides with a player over a League Operator?????

A league operator that is MAKING THEM MONEY??????? Your little league dues don't cut it when you compare the two side by side. To make matters WORSE the league operator is gone and the LEAGUE has a big Financial VOID to fill as a result of your actions!

You mess up my money like this you sure would be banned for LIFE!!!! Based on this information don't you feel sorry that if the league does not find another operator you will have KILLED the pool fun for EVERYONE in you leagues area.

In my opinion the rule is too MINOR to have this much DRAMA over. I would hate to see a truly major issue arise! How would you act or respond???? That is why, the BCA has behaved like this in my opinion!!!

Your best bet is a public apology at this point. The organization has tried to correspond with you prior to you going public like this and based on your writing skills its obvious your written complaint was not very well written and failed to document the NEGATIVE repercussions associated with this rule??????? As of this message it still is not clear regarding even ONE negative situation associated with the rules the way they are????


KD
 
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Methinks...

"You Ain't Seen nuthin' Yet" - Bachman Turner Overdrive

(Damn, it was much more fun doing YouTube links :p )
 
paulempor said:
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How do you name your links Jam??
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First, you type the name of the song, and then you click the icon above the MESSAGE window that loks like a blue-and-green globe with a paperclip on it. You do a copy-and-paste of the link from the YouTube or wherever you get the song and "paste" it in window that you get from the blue-and-green globe with the paperclip. Then you highlight the words that you want to be the song. Clear as mud, right? :D
 
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