My comment was on the posters comment referring to just the 5 ball. In the case of the break and ball in hand then yes I too would take that against anyone that ever played the game and win.
The Break - Ball in Hand after the Break and the Five Ball
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My comment was on the posters comment referring to just the 5 ball. In the case of the break and ball in hand then yes I too would take that against anyone that ever played the game and win.
Hell, I like just gettin the 5 out as well against just about anyone.
I would say this because I do get the opportunity to play against Earl regularly in competition. I have beat Earl a few times getting a 8 - 5 race and the 7ball. And when he has won, its hill-hill. The wild 7 is a tough spot to give to someone that can play but the 5 out is alot tougher. There is literally no room for an error. Ever.
I would say this because I do get the opportunity to play against Earl regularly in competition. I have beat Earl a few times getting a 8 - 5 race and the 7ball. And when he has won, its hill-hill. The wild 7 is a tough spot to give to someone that can play but the 5 out is alot tougher. There is literally no room for an error. Ever.
Watch the video of him and Chris playing. Dippy gets the yips just like everyone else.
It's not the money! It's the desire to win.
He, like most people, is trying to win, 10,000 isn't that big of a deal to Dippy, but being able to say "I beat Alex or I beat Gabe or I beat Chris" is of enormous importance to him, and that is where the pressure comes in, and he is just as vulnerable as anyone , to choke, yip or dog it or what I personally think happens, most of the time, put too much pressure on a given shot and your brain and body break down just a little from the stress.
Most great players have learned to overcome this by repetition, but everyone is capable of it. The greatest example I can think of is Corey Duell and the amazing run out where he misses the 9 almost straight in after making 4 or 5 circus shots to get there. I don't think he "dogged" it, I think his body or brain or both, shut down for a nano second from the constant stress just as he pulled the trigger.
Im in total agreeance!!
I agree that it's not necessarily the money, which is why I was trying to remove money from the equation to begin with. The biggest thing for most people would probably be the embarrassment of losing while getting such a huge spot; after all, there's not much bragging rights to be had by beating someone when you're getting 18-4, LOL. I guess you could brag that you made a good game, or that you play slightly less awful than the spot would suggest. Saying you beat so and so would be like saying you kicked Randy Couture's ass but leaving out that he was in a straight jacket and shackles at the time. As far as Dippy missing easy shots, that just what Dippy do - probably doesn't matter if it's for a ham sandwich or the title to a Lambo, he's gonna miss a ton of easy shots guaranteed. "Brain or body shutting down for a nanosecond due to stress" is probably what Webster's has for the definition of "dogging it", and I think Corey would definitely say he dogged the runout you are speaking of.
I do think some people are underestimating the strength of this spot, however. Someone mentioned the orange crush, but this spot is nowhere close to the OC. Dippy will not have to make a ball on the break (he may not even have to keep the cueball on the table!), nor will he have to control whitey and come up with a shot on the low ball. You can only give this spot to someone you think cannot consistently run 5 balls with BIH, which is in the C range IMO. That being said, I think Bart wins this game because from what I have seen Dippy truly is a C player at rotation games, and I think the racking changes will be more than enough to swing the game into Bart's favor. I am looking forward to sweating this one, though, and happy sweating to the rest of you!
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I consider myself a B plus to A minus player. I have played the ghost a race to eleven to and won on a 9 foot Diamond with 4.5 inch pockets. This was under zero pressure and I was playing my best. I would take this spot against anyone in the world as long as the bet was about $100 per game. There is no spot in the world that would make me gamble 5K per set. If it was my own money on the line for that kind of money I just don't know how I would perform. It is possible that I would miss every ball.
I consider myself a B plus to A minus player. I have played the ghost a race to eleven to and won on a 9 foot Diamond with 4.5 inch pockets. This was under zero pressure and I was playing my best. I would take this spot against anyone in the world as long as the bet was about $100 per game. There is no spot in the world that would make me gamble 5K per set. If it was my own money on the line for that kind of money I just don't know how I would perform. It is possible that I would miss every ball.
I have seen Morro break even getting the 6 ball and King Kong lose getting the 6 out. While King Kong probably wouldn't quite meet most people's definition of a pro or at the very least would be borderline, the 6 out is much more weight than the 5 ball.
Frankly speaking, Archer and Earl aren't what I would consider top pros at the moment. In the US Shane is probably the only one and there are guys that can give him weight.
Against a top tier guy, it doesn't matter how much weight you get. If you never get to the table with a clear shot, you can't win.
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Thang hoa, a strong pro (when he wants to play) imo, got the 6 ball from efren and lost. I'm not sure if he played that game again or not, but it really is amazing what a top teir pro can give another strong pro. Morro is kinda worshiped in LA, but in reality I think it has more to do with past rep.
Well the end of the story is that David Peat caught a gear and won 9 games straight with a lot of combos to win a set and the backer pulled up for the 20k match. So apparently the spot was a bit much to fade even if the player couldn't run five balls consistently.
According to another thread Chris Bartrum is now about 30k stuck with various iterations of this weight. Meanwhile I still have not been able to win a set to 9 against the ghost. Feeling very much like a D-player right now.
According to another thread Chris Bartrum is now about 30k stuck with various iterations of this weight. Meanwhile I still have not been able to win a set to 9 against the ghost. Feeling very much like a D-player right now.
A C player would have a tough time with that weight as well.
I am not saying that you are incorrect here, but if the guy giving up the weight is constantly running 4s and 5s or even more, the spot doesn't mean nearly as much. Now giving up the break is totally different. I believe a lot of American pros could go to the Phillipines and lose getting the 5 ball - I'm not talking about top guys.
Maybe the first time I disagree with you. Dennis might run 4s and 5s, but a bottom tier pro will run 6s and 7s getting the 5 ball. I cant believe anyone on earth could give Shaun Wilkie the 5 ball and not go broke. And I would call him a lower end pro.
I agree with this. Bartram could give a lot of the lower tier pros in the US the 8 and maybe the 7 and Dennis Orcullo gives him the call 7 & 8 in 10-ball which is huge. He might be able to give Bartram more since he's won both times they've played.
I would not bet on the guy giving the spot, so I agree with you. I do believe however, that it is not far out of line as some posters have said since we are even having this discussion.
In a game like this I believe it would all depend on the break of the guy getting the spot. If he is not consistently making a ball with a shot on the 1, he can lose. If he is breaking well, I would absolutely agree that he is stealing.
Just curious, but the "Woolford" you mention, is his first name "Danny"?
And according to Buddy Hall he gave Louie Roberts the 7 ball several times and beat him each time.
No JAM - it is Joe. And I would put his speed at the time right up there with Shawn Wilkie that was mentioned in this thread. It was multiple sets and none of them were close.
JAM - I am sure the person in your household gave up similiar spots to similiar players in his past.
ETA - True Roadie. So if a Filipino offered a good number of Americans the 5 ball, I can tell you what side of the fence I would be on.
JAM - I am sure the person in your household gave up similiar spots to similiar players in his past.
ETA - True Roadie. So if a Filipino offered a good number of Americans the 5 ball, I can tell you what side of the fence I would be on.
Its not the 5 ball its the 5 out. Any ball made after the 4. Thats huge weight. And just for the record, Shane lost to Earl in the race to 100. Earl also beat Archer, right before or right after cant remember. Just saying, your crazy if you dont think Earl is tops right now.