I guess Rogan/Earl was right... pool IS a beautiful game played by ugly people.
ABP Response to Barry's counter offer
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I guess Rogan/Earl was right... pool IS a beautiful game played by ugly people.
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9-12 = $3,000 each
13-16 = $2,000 each
17-24 = $1,500 each
25-32 = $1,250 each
13-16 = $2,000 each
17-24 = $1,500 each
25-32 = $1,250 each
See above :smile:
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This is funny how players get a free entry to the US open and they're the ones who try and ban it. The players end up getting paid. Barry is almost doing the players a favor by paying them in installments. Archer and associates need to grow the **** up, take the free entry and have a shot to win the open. Otherwise quit being a crybaby.
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Maybe this has been said!
But these player play tournaments to make money. I think most will agree that Barry is a well meaning nice man im sure, but why should these guys have to wait to get paid? We are saying that they should just blindly support this event even with know payment issues. How can anyone be a fan of that logic? I personally would love to see this great even continue. But like every other event, tour, or tournament stop, it will die if it doesnt have the money to fund it. I want this issues settled and for this to be one of the best years ever, but you certainly cant blame these guys if they didnt play if they might not get paid on time.
FC
But these player play tournaments to make money. I think most will agree that Barry is a well meaning nice man im sure, but why should these guys have to wait to get paid? We are saying that they should just blindly support this event even with know payment issues. How can anyone be a fan of that logic? I personally would love to see this great even continue. But like every other event, tour, or tournament stop, it will die if it doesnt have the money to fund it. I want this issues settled and for this to be one of the best years ever, but you certainly cant blame these guys if they didnt play if they might not get paid on time.
FC
I Don't Get it
I'm a casual player and a fan of the game who has attented The Open a few times and have watched this "payment problem" for yeeeeaaars. There are two things of which I am sure. #1) Barry Berhman is NOT making money on this event and #2) the world knows by now that some participants will have difficulty getting paid. Whether Barry puts on this tournament for the love of the "game" OR to satisfy his ego doesn't really matter. The "game" needs this tournament and all that goes along with it. I also feel strongly that ALL players should be paid on time but such has not been the case with Barry, so either accept that & play or make a statement and don't play..............but do it individually. In todays sad pool climate the players need the promoters and the promoters need the players. I have yet to hear or read of anything this list of players have or are doing to help insure this, or any other tournnament, is successful. They're asking Barry to go borrow money so a few top players can make another payday. How about all players agree to be paid 30 days from tournament end. Wouldn't that take a lot of pressure off both sides? It sure would be better than losing this 2011 US Open. In closing I believe Barry Berhman owes pool players nothing and has done more for pool than he has ever hurt it. I hope this all works out :smile:
I'm a casual player and a fan of the game who has attented The Open a few times and have watched this "payment problem" for yeeeeaaars. There are two things of which I am sure. #1) Barry Berhman is NOT making money on this event and #2) the world knows by now that some participants will have difficulty getting paid. Whether Barry puts on this tournament for the love of the "game" OR to satisfy his ego doesn't really matter. The "game" needs this tournament and all that goes along with it. I also feel strongly that ALL players should be paid on time but such has not been the case with Barry, so either accept that & play or make a statement and don't play..............but do it individually. In todays sad pool climate the players need the promoters and the promoters need the players. I have yet to hear or read of anything this list of players have or are doing to help insure this, or any other tournnament, is successful. They're asking Barry to go borrow money so a few top players can make another payday. How about all players agree to be paid 30 days from tournament end. Wouldn't that take a lot of pressure off both sides? It sure would be better than losing this 2011 US Open. In closing I believe Barry Berhman owes pool players nothing and has done more for pool than he has ever hurt it. I hope this all works out :smile:
If you could buy most of the posters on az for what they know and sell them for what they think they know Barry would have plenty of money to fund the tournament . Done deal opening bid on what they know $1 dollar opening bid for what they think they know 100K SOLD start the US OPEN
Well said.....
I bought my VIP ticket the first day they went on sale like I do every year and I'll be there unless an emergency comes up. I love the game and I'll admit I have a few favorite players that I like to watch, but if they choose to boycott there will plenty of good matches to watch besides just the ones that my favorite players would have played in.
This whole ABP boycott wasn't handled right in my opinion. Barry should stop paying the entry fee for past champions for one thing. I believe it was a good gesture on his part, but I doubt that Barry ever considered that some of the same players he was looking out for would turn around and try to shut down his tournament by boycotting if he didn't meet their demands. Sure anyone would love to be handed their winnings when the last 9 ball went in, but it just hasn't worked out that way. I'd rather have a late payment than no payment at all!
James
I bought my VIP ticket the first day they went on sale like I do every year and I'll be there unless an emergency comes up. I love the game and I'll admit I have a few favorite players that I like to watch, but if they choose to boycott there will plenty of good matches to watch besides just the ones that my favorite players would have played in.
This whole ABP boycott wasn't handled right in my opinion. Barry should stop paying the entry fee for past champions for one thing. I believe it was a good gesture on his part, but I doubt that Barry ever considered that some of the same players he was looking out for would turn around and try to shut down his tournament by boycotting if he didn't meet their demands. Sure anyone would love to be handed their winnings when the last 9 ball went in, but it just hasn't worked out that way. I'd rather have a late payment than no payment at all!
James
And it's dicks like you the Pool World can do without
This may be the funniest post of the year... fat Albert is on the block for .01 after throwing this poo at JCIN..... Anyone want to splain it to him so we can get him up to a shiny new nickle???
Start a new job. Almost always there is a 2 week hold back on your first pay check. You get your 1st check one month after start date and its for the 1st 2 weeks worked. Get paid monthly and you have a one month wait until your next check. How you handle your finances until the next month is up to you. I know, not the same but close.
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gamemaker...Not sure where you're getting your numbers, but they are LOW for anyone who's not on the east coast of the USA already. There are many that come from other parts of the US, and many who come from overseas, who have not won the tournament before. For them, the 'average' cost is very likely several hundred dollars more...at least. For players traveling from the far east, the cost would be at least double your estimate, and probably more.
Scott Lee
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Very true Mark!...and you're not even playing in the event! It's the same for me...and I drive there!
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You would be shocked at the shit I know.
Tap, tap, tap, JCIN.
No one is forcing the pros to play. If they don't like the terms that Barry has in regards to payouts, then they simply don't have to play. Knowing what happens in regards to payouts in the US Open, I (along with every other player) have to decide whether or not to play.
Seems that the basic mentality of the ABP is that they are a specialty or novelty product, and without them, there will be no US Open. If this standoff keeps up, the boycotting pros are going to find out the hard way that the machine called the US Open runs on standard (read:amateur) parts.
Respectfully, the much larger difference is you dont shell out $2000+ of you own money for this new job. Secondly you know your gonna get your paycheck at the end of the two weeks. But most importantly if you have to fight and scrap to get what you have already earn, I will assure you that you wouldnt keep going to that job until they made good on what was previously owed. I might not totally agree with how these guys are handling this, but I can for sure see their point. If all the past champs got all expense paid trip then they would have nothing to complain about, but even with the entry fee paid, they still have a grand or more in expenses for the event. I know we are beating a dead horse here, but its just hard not to side with the players on the sheer fact of its fair to expect payment at the completion of the event.
FC
So now the other shoe has dropped. I warned you days ago this was coming. Now for the ramifications of this new release.
There have been several boycotts before by various player's associations. In the 70's it was the PPPA and it cost them a huge Straight Pool tournament. In the 80's it was the PPA and they refused to sign television releases for Richie Florence's $125,000 Caesars Palace tournament. This after he had put on several 100K+ events in the preceding few years (all money paid promptly by the way). This time they were successful in putting Florence out of business and ending all further paydays from him. They won the battle and lost the war!
In the 90's I was the victim. After a very successful L.A. Open in 1992 that paid $140,000, the MPBA decided to boycott my event in 1993. 80-90% of the top players didn't show up to play and yet we got a full field of 128 players in the 9-Ball, 77 players in the One Pocket and 48 players in the Bank Pool. The payouts totaled over $160,000 that year! Several top players apologized to me afterwords, but it was too late. That was the last L.A. Open.
Now here we are, most of the top players are planning to boycott this years U.S. Open. What will happen if they don't play? Let's see; many other players will win substantial prize money, several other players will win valuable points for the Mosconi Cup and several other players will be featured on world wide television. What have they accomplished besides hurting themselves? I'm at a loss to say right now. If it pans out like other previous player boycotts, there will be some long faces at the end of the day. I remember when Mark Tadd won $26,000 at the 1993 L.A. Open and many of the top pros could only look on in envy as he counted his dough. That was the biggest payout of the year in professional pool!
There's more I could say but now is not the time.
There have been several boycotts before by various player's associations. In the 70's it was the PPPA and it cost them a huge Straight Pool tournament. In the 80's it was the PPA and they refused to sign television releases for Richie Florence's $125,000 Caesars Palace tournament. This after he had put on several 100K+ events in the preceding few years (all money paid promptly by the way). This time they were successful in putting Florence out of business and ending all further paydays from him. They won the battle and lost the war!
In the 90's I was the victim. After a very successful L.A. Open in 1992 that paid $140,000, the MPBA decided to boycott my event in 1993. 80-90% of the top players didn't show up to play and yet we got a full field of 128 players in the 9-Ball, 77 players in the One Pocket and 48 players in the Bank Pool. The payouts totaled over $160,000 that year! Several top players apologized to me afterwords, but it was too late. That was the last L.A. Open.
Now here we are, most of the top players are planning to boycott this years U.S. Open. What will happen if they don't play? Let's see; many other players will win substantial prize money, several other players will win valuable points for the Mosconi Cup and several other players will be featured on world wide television. What have they accomplished besides hurting themselves? I'm at a loss to say right now. If it pans out like other previous player boycotts, there will be some long faces at the end of the day. I remember when Mark Tadd won $26,000 at the 1993 L.A. Open and many of the top pros could only look on in envy as he counted his dough. That was the biggest payout of the year in professional pool!
There's more I could say but now is not the time.
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Good points, FC. And respectfully, I agree, I would like to get paid at the end of the tournament. But if I know prior to the event that I may not be paid immediately following, it's then my choice as to whether or not to play.
It seems the amateurs have to invest just as much as the pros when any of them choose to play in any tournament.
I'm curious. What exactly do the pros put on thier W-2's in the 'occupation' column ? Is thier full-time job "professional pool player" ? Professional card players I believe have to compete in X amount of events for X amount of years to be allowed to claim that as thier job. I know that someone can't just win one poker tournament and say "I'm a pro". I don't know exactly what the parameters are, but I have to imagine the requirements would be similar in any sport that one claims as thier primary source of income (golf, tennis, etc.).
But if the pros list "professional pool player as thier occupation", then (unlike you and I) don't they get to claim these expenses on thier tax returns ?