Cannabis, pool and life

If weed helps people who have illnesses or pain, damn the law and burn one. If one smokes weed to get high, I say each to his own.

I think this thread is serving a good purpose to the pool community and beyond and hope that discussions like this will continue. It's my opinion that there are some people who will suffer greatly from the use of marijuana, while others may appear to not suffer at all and even others who would swear on a stack of bibles that it helps them cope in life and that they are perfectly fine, productive, healthy human beings (and they might be right).

Amen.

You got it Joey...thx
 
the usual

Couldn't give up, or didn't want to give up? Money isn't everything to all people. If you aren't happy, what difference does it make? I'd rather make 1/2 the money and be happy.




Here we go again...it's strange how you have known so many people that died as a direct result of marijuana! Really, really strange.

I feel quite certain I have been around way more pot smokers than you have, and I haven't known ONE person who was killed as a result of marijuana. Matter of fact, I haven't even heard of one.
Joey is on to something here...yep, some pot makes some people lazy. Notice the word 'some'. Different strains of marijuana affect people differently. Some strains of pot actually gives you energy, believe it or not. It's not the same old 'dirt' weed you smoked in the 60's-70's.




LOL!! Don't blame ignorance on the pot. That sounds more like a LSD horror story.





You forgot caffeine!!!!! How in the hell can you forget all those amped out people driving like idiots to the grocery, or coffee shops to get thier 'fixes'? Chop their heads off too. Those damn Columbians coffee farmers are out to get you. KILL the farmers too!!.....Down with Starbucks!!!




Damn right....make it legal. Tax it, and make TRILLIONS of dollars instead of spending TRILLIONS of dollars. There wouldn't be any such thing as homeless, or hungry in the USA. Free education, and healthcare systems would be the norm.

Rick,

since you want to make it personal I'll reply in kind. Your reply to me is the usual know-it-all crap nobody else knows nothing or has been there.

The operating room engineer was a personal friend of mine. I know just how little he wanted to give up that career.

If you were able to read clearly you would see that I carefully stated that the people made gross errors in judgment while under the influence of pot. Nobody can say how much or how little effect the pot had. However both had been schoolmates of mine and straight "A" students. One tested over the 99 percentile on a national standardized test. I had known them both for over ten years, spent countless hours with both. These weren't dummies!

I doubt seriously that you have been around way more pot smokers than I have. Like I mentioned, I have smoked a few bales of it myself. I was around when pot was ten bucks an ounce and $120 bought you a quarter of absolute killer weed. As a pool player with lots of musician friends, ladies of somewhat loose morals, and flower children among my acquantances I was deep in the life. I never dealt dope but I always knew where it was at. I shut down telling anybody anything after over a dozen cars came to my house in a quiet subdivision on a saturday including strangers that were "friends of friends". Looked like I was dealing heavy when I wasn't making a penny. Maybe you know way more people than I have that smoke pot, maybe you define "way" way differently than I do! Considering I have known several generations of pot users I think I might have a slight edge in the numbers game.

Hu
 
I have a report from a "Scientific Editor" by the name of Steve Connor if anyone is interested in it. It offers some information about how dangerous marijuana really is. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the report, so if you order it, don't smoke the messenger. :D

Gee whiz, I must have downloaded this file years ago but I just did a google search and it is still there. You can check it out without PMing me for a copy by clicking here.

Personally, I think the article misses the downsides of my point entirely. I think weed makes most people less productive, in all areas of their lives.

Are there productive people out there who regularly use weed? ABSOLUTELY but it is the exception rather than the rule.

Can most people smoke weed and still maintain a positive life? ABSOLUTELY but SOME CAN'T & don't.

It is up to each person to work out their own salvation.
 
Speaking of casual about your job, how many people have lost their jobs because they couldn't give up the use of "nonaddictive" pot? At least one of the operating room engineers at a nuclear plant lost a very well paying career position because he tested dirty for pot three times over several years. The first time he was warned and suspended from his duties for six months, the second time he again escaped the hatchet, third time was the charm. A hitch or two in the nuclear navy, over a decade in the nuke plants, then he had to find a new occupation. It's been years and I forget what he took up but it didn't pay but a tiny fraction of what the nuke gig did. Of course I support his firing, when things go to crap an operator may have seconds to make a decision. With the nuclear containment building in sight from my home I want it to be the right one!

Hu

I can tell you that one of the Wolrd's Oil Giants tracks sub contractors via SSN within their internal system. They also require a very stringent drug test before entering one of their facilities to do work. And they require on going drug and background tests on a regular and on a ram don basis. Drug test results are tied back to that system. If an individual ever tests positive on any test they are banned for LIFE to ever doing work within an ExxonMobil facility.

I personally feel banning for life is a bit too harsh since people can become rehabilitated. But on the other hand, I don't want to be working inside a Chemical Plant where someone working next to me on a process unit just hit some highly potent White Widow during their lunch break and now they are coming back to do the final tests before energizing a 1000MVA, 138kV Power Transformer.

Food for thought if you want to work in the Petro-chemical industry.
 
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If you were able to read clearly you would see that I carefully stated that the people made gross errors in judgment while under the influence of pot. Nobody can say how much or how little effect the pot had. However both had been schoolmates of mine and straight "A" students. One tested over the 99 percentile on a national standardized test. I had known them both for over ten years, spent countless hours with both. These weren't dummies! Hu

Straight A students means 'book' smart, that's all. I have a friend (Mensa member) who I say is the 'smartest dumb ass I ever met".


I doubt seriously that you have been around way more pot smokers than I have. Like I mentioned, I have smoked a few bales of it myself. I was around when pot was ten bucks an ounce and $120 bought you a quarter of absolute killer weed. As a pool player with lots of musician friends, ladies of somewhat loose morals, and flower children among my acquantances I was deep in the life. I never dealt dope but I always knew where it was at. I shut down telling anybody anything after over a dozen cars came to my house in a quiet subdivision on a saturday including strangers that were "friends of friends". Looked like I was dealing heavy when I wasn't making a penny. Maybe you know way more people than I have that smoke pot, maybe you define "way" way differently than I do! Considering I have known several generations of pot users I think I might have a slight edge in the numbers game.

Hu

"a few bales" tells me the story. either they were VERY small bales, or you like to exaggerate quite a bit. One or the other...

I'm not a youngster. I remember buying pounds of Jamaican for 130 bucks. First smoking 42 yrs ago now, and haven't missed many days since then. I'm a medical card holder, with cultivation rights as well.
 
ouch!

I can tell you that one of the Wolrd's Oil Giants tracks sub contractors via SSN within their internal system. They also require a very stringent drug test before entering one of their facilities to do work. And they require on going drug and background tests on a regular and on a ram don basis. Drug test results are tied back to that system. If an individual ever tests positive on any test they are banned for LIFE to ever doing work within an ExxonMobil facility.

I personally feel banning for life is a bit too harsh since people can become rehabilitated. But on the other hand, I don't want to be working inside a Chemical Plant where someone working next to me on a process unit just hit some highly potent White Widow, NY Diesel of BC Kush during their lunch break and now they are coming back to do the final tests before energizing a 1000MVA, 138kV Power Transformer.

Food for thought if you want to work in the Petro-chemical industry.

I spent a good bit of my time in Exxon Baton Rouge working for contractors. Don't remember how many projects in there I was on total, maybe over a dozen. When Standard Oil built the plant in the early 1900's it was the biggest petro-chem plant in the world or became the biggest somewhere early along the line. No idea how it ranks now but it is it's own city within a city and getting a job working directly for the plant was once a lifetime gig.

Wouldn't be surprised if a few big players in the industry didn't quietly exchange that type of information too. Fortunately by the time whiz quizing started I was clean as a whistle. Haven't taken a toke since the first of the two deaths I mentioned.

Hu
 
Nobody pays to feel like you described. Your resistance is low and you smoked some high THC weed. When you need an aspirin do you take the whole bottle?

How is a person supposed to know they are getting high or low THC pot, or that the stuff was not laced with something else? Beyond growing it themselves that is.

Pot as it is today is alot different then pot of the past. Today the stuff is grown under high wattage light systems putting out specific wavelengths of light that are alternated in various stages to amplify the various growing cycles. The lights are kept over the light at about 1 foot to 18 inches and are moved up as the plant grows to keep the optimal amount of light on the plant. These are combined with fertilizers that are specifically designed to grow one specific plant and increase the amount of "bud" and amount of THC within that plant.

Pot today is often a far cry from the marijuana plant sitting in a pot of dirt in a sunny window as it was in the past. It has been genetically altered through selective breeding just like most food crops out there and is amplified in it's drug-like properties through fertilizers that are anything but natural.

Telling someone pot of today is completely harmless and then saying "oh well you got into some that was really high in THC" is goofy, there is alot of pot out there these days that happens to be a very strong drug with WAY more THC then is naturally normal for the plant and it is nothing like the pot people were smoking in the 1960's whatsoever.

To use your own analogy, this guy smoked what probably would have been a normal amount of pot. It would be instead akin to buying a bottle of aspirin, eating the normal 2 aspirin, and only after realizing that the aspirin in the bottle you bought in fact has 3250mg of acetylsalicylic acid per a pill instead of the normal 325mg and now you just OD'd on AA to the tune of 7000mg instead of the maximum reccomended intake of 700mg.

And the point of the above (and it may shock you after all of that). THIS is why pot SHOULD be legalized and government controlled. Only through legalization can the government then enforce restrictions on the amount of THC allowed in a specified unit of the product and assure that nothing else is "added" to the product. Not to mention the massive amount of tax revenue that the government could make through legalization of it through both sales taxes and taxing the producers directly combined with the money saved by the reduction of law enforcement that is currently trying to deal with pot and the people who are in jail eating up yet more tax dollars due to pot related crimes. Pot, like alchohol or tobacco should be a legal, controlled substance.

But don't sit there and tell people that atm as it is today that pot is totally safe, it is not, it is uncontrolled, unregulated, and unless you grew the stuff yourself or know who did you don't know what you are getting.
 
Straight A students means 'book' smart, that's all. I have a friend (Mensa member) who I say is the 'smartest dumb ass I ever met".




"a few bales" tells me the story. either they were VERY small bales, or you like to exaggerate quite a bit. One or the other...

I'm not a youngster. I remember buying pounds of Jamaican for 130 bucks. First smoking 42 yrs ago now, and haven't missed many days since then. I'm a medical card holder, with cultivation rights as well.


I'd say a few bales hit it pretty close. Running numbers as closely as possible I've smoked somewhere around a hundred pounds of pot. Granted it could be more, I bought a lot more than that but I wasn't stingy!

Aside from test scores both of the guys that died were literally like brothers to me at some points in time. High school and college age running buddies. We hunted, fished, canoed, ran women, shot pool, spent days and days at a time together. They both made awesomely foolish and uncharacteristic decisions. One was trained and worked full time at the work he was killed doing on his own time. The other died after making an even poorer decision. Could they have made the same decisions regardless? We will never know because the fact is that they made the decisions while under the influence of pot and those are the kind of decisions you only get wrong once.

Like I say, you are quick to "know it all" and assume that I know nothing or have no experience because I disagree with you.

Interesting point about productivity Joey makes too. When I look back over my friends that were heavy pot users compared to nonusers or those that only smoked occasionally over a short period of time the achievements of the nonusers as a group far exceed the success of the heavy users as a group. Of course the fact that many of the heavy users died young or became total burnouts kinda skews the results!

Hu
 
I was going to call you on that too, a little more honesty and clarity upfront would be good from the medical community... That wasn't a perfectly normal healthy happy individual to begin with.

To be perfectly honest, some of the most evil drug pushers I've ever met were doctors, drug dealers didn't hold a candle to those guys.

Also the medical community are often some of the most ill informed or biased people towards medical marijuana that there ever have been. It's often as much unwelcome competition and fear of the unknown, and for some loss of the unregulated captive market as much as anything else. Not that you guys were always given an honest education on the subject to begin with, your education system hasn't exactly embraced medical marijuana either or given you much more than scare propaganda to work from. Nor is there a pharma industry giving you guys bonuses or free pens or free trips to hawaii for pot conferences for using an herb.


I'm not saying you're a bad doctor, just there are a lot of them and they haven't always served me well, nor has the entire industry even the good docs and I'm not alone in that.

Not that you aren't right, it's great to see someone learn from their mistakes and get off something that isn't any good for them no matter what that is. Kudo's, just make sure your doc doesn't try to hook you on something else that's even worse and that they control the market for.

I happen to be very enlightened, educated, and informed on the matter at hand, so you need not lash out at me. Most doctors are in fact fairly ignorant on the matter, that's why "medical" marijuana has gotten as far as it has. That the patients we are speaking of were not "healthy happy" individuals goes without saying; they were abusing drugs. That would be a big red flag in itself.

We do not control nor are we a part of any "industry". That is a common confusion. The health care industries in this country and the pharmaceutical industries are not the medical profession and we are not them. That we are forced to work within those industries is a matter of great concern for me. If you think it's bad now, wait and see what is coming.

Prescribing is not first line therapy in marijuana withdrawal and in fact I don't support it in general. A physician is a great deal more than a prescription pad.
 
How DANGEROUS is Cannabis?

Let's keep on track with the marijuana discussion.

I've known, like most of you, MANY marijuana smokers and the VAST MAJORITY of them will protest quite loudly, that weed doesn't hurt them in any way.

I've also known many regular smokers who are always suspicious of something or the other.

I've also known many regular smokers who say, "I just don't give a damn!".

Some people SEEM to be quite at home with themselves in the world while being under the influence. It appears to me that some of my smoking friends, that while they are the life of a party, seem to have their own personal curtain to their lives and they keep it closed except for those of like mind, body and spirit.

MOST every pot smoker I know is non-violent. Drinkers are certainly more violent from my experience.

People shouldn't deny that SOME PEOPLE have VERY ADVERSE CONDITIONS from smoking weed. At the same time, SOME PEOPLE exhibit NO ADVERSE CONDITIONS.

Each person has to make their own choice. This discussion can help you make your choice.

No one commented about the article I referred to from England which the Science Editor wrote. I'm kind of curious as to your opinion on this article "HOW DANGEROUS IS CANNABIS?".
 
MOST every pot smoker I know is non-violent. Drinkers are certainly more violent from my experience.

I have alot of experience around both and I certainly agree with that 100%. Pot if anything dulls violent tendencies, I know guys who you get some alchohol into them and they turn into loose cannons.
 
I'd say a few bales hit it pretty close. Running numbers as closely as possible I've smoked somewhere around a hundred pounds of pot.

Possible, yes, probable, no.

I really don't think you have any concept of how much pot a 100 lbs is. I smoke heavily, and don't smoke 2 oz a month. (1 1/2 lbs a year)

Either that, or you are 110 yrs old. Please go back a few posts...see......'exaggerate'.


Interesting point about productivity Joey makes too. When I look back over my friends that were heavy pot users compared to nonusers or those that only smoked occasionally over a short period of time the achievements of the nonusers as a group far exceed the success of the heavy users as a group. Of course the fact that many of the heavy users died young or became total burnouts kinda skews the results!

Didn't seem to slow these guys down to much...

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friend of George Gershwin. May have written a song about it.
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Blah, blah, blah, pot, blah, clean, blah blah , so good to be alive, choke, cough, gag.
In the meantime the two most addictive and destructive products are purchased and used daily by millions. Alcohol and cigarettes.
If you want to play high, I'm all for it. Just please double the bet.
The amounts of threads on AZ that have little or no reference to any intelligent pool discussion is astounding.:D
 
How is a person supposed to know they are getting high or low THC pot, or that the stuff was not laced with something else? Beyond growing it themselves that is.

Pot as it is today is a lot different then pot of the past. Today the stuff is grown under high wattage light systems putting out specific wavelengths of light that are alternated in various stages to amplify the various growing cycles. The lights are kept over the light at about 1 foot to 18 inches and are moved up as the plant grows to keep the optimal amount of light on the plant. These are combined with fertilizers that are specifically designed to grow one specific plant and increase the amount of "bud" and amount of THC within that plant.

Pot today is often a far cry from the marijuana plant sitting in a pot of dirt in a sunny window as it was in the past. It has been genetically altered through selective breeding just like most food crops out there and is amplified in it's drug-like properties through fertilizers that are anything but natural.

Telling someone pot of today is completely harmless and then saying "oh well you got into some that was really high in THC" is goofy, there is alot of pot out there these days that happens to be a very strong drug with WAY more THC then is naturally normal for the plant and it is nothing like the pot people were smoking in the 1960's whatsoever.

To use your own analogy, this guy smoked what probably would have been a normal amount of pot. It would be instead akin to buying a bottle of aspirin, eating the normal 2 aspirin, and only after realizing that the aspirin in the bottle you bought in fact has 3250mg of acetylsalicylic acid per a pill instead of the normal 325mg and now you just OD'd on AA to the tune of 7000mg instead of the maximum reccomended intake of 700mg.

And the point of the above (and it may shock you after all of that). THIS is why pot SHOULD be legalized and government controlled. Only through legalization can the government then enforce restrictions on the amount of THC allowed in a specified unit of the product and assure that nothing else is "added" to the product. Not to mention the massive amount of tax revenue that the government could make through legalization of it through both sales taxes and taxing the producers directly combined with the money saved by the reduction of law enforcement that is currently trying to deal with pot and the people who are in jail eating up yet more tax dollars due to pot related crimes. Pot, like alchohol or tobacco should be a legal, controlled substance.

But don't sit there and tell people that atm as it is today that pot is totally safe, it is not, it is uncontrolled, unregulated, and unless you grew the stuff yourself or know who did you don't know what you are getting.

Many med clubs now test for mold, mildew, bugs,etc...the worst kind is the scwhag sent in from Mexico that can have extremely high pesticide levels.

Many people still think certain Sativas from the 70's overall are a stronger weed than much of the new stuff. The newer types have higher thc, but have a "ceiling" that strains like Haze from the 70's don't have. It just doesn't yield much and takes longer to grow so it has faded out commercially. People "trip" on that kind of weed much more than the sit on your couch indicas now so popular.

If people can build a tolerance to concentrates that are 3x the level of thc as the strongest indoor, I believe the freaking out about the "new, stronger pot" is a joke. Ten times stronger? Not even close, maybe 2x on average...anyone growing in a dirty window is an idiot, there have always been plenty of people much more clued in than that.

Older strains were something like 8-16% thc, new indoor can get close to 30 at its absolute strongest (18-25% probably on average for top strains), certain extracts can get into the high 70's and people still get used to it.
 
Many med clubs now test for mold, mildew, bugs,etc...the worst kind is the scwhag sent in from Mexico that can have extremely high pesticide levels.

Many people still think certain Sativas from the 70's overall are a stronger weed than much of the new stuff. The newer types have higher thc, but have a "ceiling" that strains like Haze from the 70's don't have. It just doesn't yield much and takes longer to grow so it has faded out commercially. People "trip" on that kind of weed much more than the sit on your couch indicas now so popular.

If people can build a tolerance to concentrates that are 3x the level of thc as the strongest indoor, I believe the freaking out about the "new, stronger pot" is a joke. Ten times stronger? Not even close, maybe 2x on average...anyone growing in a dirty window is an idiot, there have always been plenty of people much more clued in than that.

Older strains were something like 8-16% thc, new indoor can get close to 30 at its absolute strongest (18-25% probably on average for top strains), certain extracts can get into the high 70's and people still get used to it.

Bud knows his BUD !!
 
Congratulations on making the decision to at least take a couple of weeks off, to just see if there was any difference.
Accoding to most experts drugs and alcohol are flushed from your system in about a month.
What is not talked about enough in my opinion is the effects of living for years with substances in your system , and how you deal with life when they are no longer there.
Some people are "Dry drunks' for years after they become sober, not realizing they are using the same process to handle problems that they did when they were drunk or high.
This is where AA or NA can be helpful for some people to learn how to make a transition.
 
Possible, yes, probable, no.

I really don't think you have any concept of how much pot a 100 lbs is. I smoke heavily, and don't smoke 2 oz a month. (1 1/2 lbs a year)

Either that, or you are 110 yrs old. Please go back a few posts...see......'exaggerate'.




Didn't seem to slow these guys down to much...

• Abbie Hoffman
• Abraham Lincoln.
• Al Gore.
• Aldous Huxley
• Aleister Crowley
• Alexander Dumas
• Alice B. Toklas
• Allen Ginsberg. Poet.
• Alexis Korner. Musician.
• Andy Warhol. Artist.
• Annita Roddock. Founder 'The Body Shop'.
• Anjelica Huston. Hollywood actress. Jack Nicholson's girlfriend for 17 years. Pro-drug statements by her in Peter McWilliams book, 'Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in Our Free Country'.
• Arthur Conan Doyle. Author, creator 'Sherlock Holmes'.
• Aswad. Musicians.
• Beatles.
• Bill Clinton.
• Bill Gates. Not confirmed, just very strongly hinted at in the Playboy interview
• Bill Murray Arrested for possession
• Bob Denver.
• Bob Dylan. Poet, singer, song writer.
• Bob Marley. Poet, singer, song writer.
• The Bishop of Monmouth.
• Brian Eno. Singer, song writer. Signed 'Independent' list.
• Boy George.
• British Lords & MP's - too many to list .
• Buddy Rich.
• Cab Calloway. Jazz musician.
• Carl Sagan. Author.
• Caroline Coon. Artist, founder 'Release', manager of the Clash.
• Carl Segan . Author.
• Carlos Santana. Musician, guitarist.
• Carrie Fischer.
• Cary Grant.
• Cary Mullis. Nobel Laurate, Biology
• Charles Beaudelaire
• Charles Dickens. Claims but no evdience.
• Cheech Marin.
• Chris Armstrong. Footballer, tested positive.
• Chris Conrad.
• Chris Farley. 60's singer.
• Chris Rock.
• Conan O'Brian.
• Count Basie. Jazz legend.
• Dame Ruth Runsiman. Author; Police Federation Report (March 2000) advising liberlization.
• Dave Gilmour . Musician ; Pink Floyd.
• Dave 'Tinki Winky' Thompson - TV personality (UK); the Tellie Tubbie that was sacked.
• Diego Rivera.
• Dion Fortune.
• Dioscorides.
• Dizzy Gillespie.
• Douglas Adams. Author.
• Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner.
• Dr Lester Grinspoon.
• Dr Mark Porter. TV doctor who says cannabis is not more harmful than alcohol.
• Dr Anne Biezanek (authoress)
• Dr R.D.Laing.
• Dr John Marks
• Dr W.B. O'Shaugnessy.
• Drew Barrymore.
• Duke Ellington.
• Eddie Ellison. Ex head of Scotland Yard Drug Squad.
• Edgar Allen Poe. Author, multi-drug user.
• Elvis Presley. Singer, FBI informer.
• Emperor Liu Chi-nu.
• Emperor Shen-Nung.
• Ernest Hemmingway. Author.
• Errol Flynn.
• Fela Kuti. Musician. Afro/jazz king.
• Felix Dennis. Publisher.
• Fitz Hugh Ludlow.
• Fran Healey. Musician; Travis.
• Francis Ford Coppella.
• Francis Rabelais.
• Francis Wilkinson. Ex Chief Constable of Gwent Police.
• Fredreich Nietzshe.
• Ganesh - Hindu God.
• Gary Johnson.
• Gene Krupa.
• George Clinton. Ex President's brother.
• George W Bush. Possibly the greatest living hypocrite.
• George Gurdjieff.
• George Melly. Jazz musician (early sponsor of Legalise Cannabis Campaign, Uk).
• George Michael. Singer.
• George Washington.
• George Soros.
• Gerard de Nerval.
• Gilberto Gil. Brazilian musical icon.
• The Greatful Dead.
• Hasan I-Sabah.
• Heinrich Khunrath.
• Helen Petrova Blavatsky.
• Henri Michaux.
• Herman Hesse.
• Hiero the Second.
• Howard Marks. Author, cannabis smuggller.
• Howard Stern, Admitted it on the radio.
• Hua T'o.
• Hunter S. Thompson. Smoked weed and snorted coke with George Bush.
• Ian Botham. Convicted Cricket legend.
• Irvine Welsh.
• Kurt Cobain.
• Jabir Ibn el-Hayyan.
• Jack Herer. Author 'The Emporor Wears No Cloths'
• Jack Kerouac. Author ' On the Road'.
• Jack Nicholson. Film actor.
• Jackie Gleason.
• Jackson Pollock.
• Jane Fonda. Actress.
• James Brown. Singer, song writer.
• Janis Joplin. Singer, song writer.
• Jesse 0Ventura.
• Jerry Lee Lewis. Musician, song writer.
• Jimmy Dorsey.
• Jimmy Hendrix. Rock guitarist, singe, song writer
• Jim Morrison. Musician, songwriter; The Doors.
• Joan of Arc. Accused of using 'witch herbs' (another name for cannabis).
• Joan Rivers.
• Joe Strummer. Musician, singer, songer writer; The Clash.
• John Belushi.
• John Denver.
• John F Kennedy. Popular US president (assassinated).
• John Keats. Poet.
• John Lennon. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
• John Le Mesurier. Tried it but said it's not for him.
• Johnny Cash.
• John Peel. DJ, BBC broadcaster.
• John Sinclair.
• Judge John L. Kane. Chief Judge from the US District Court
• Julie Christie. Actress.
• Jules Verne.
• John Wayne. 'I tried it once but it didn't do anything to me.'
• Kelsey Grammar.
• Ken Livingston. Mayor of London - supports decriminalisation but does not smoke or support the use of recreational drugs.
• Kirk Douglas. Actor.
• Kurt Cobain.
• Larry Adler. Harmonica player and
friend of George Gershwin. May have written a song about it.
• Lenny Bruce. Comedian.
• Lewis Carroll. Author 'Alice in Wonderland'.
• Linda St Clair
• Little Richard. Musician.
• Lord Avebury.
• Lord Byron. Poet.
• Lord Deedes.
• Lord Tony Gifford. QC, civil rights lawyer.
• Louis Armstrong. 'Oh what a wonderful world'.
• Louis Hebert.
• Mark Thomas . Comedian.
• Marlon Brando. Actor.
• Martin Sheen.
• Mary Shelly. Author 'Frankinstein'.
• Mary Tyler Moore.
• Mick Jagger. Singer, song writer, The Rolling Stones.
• Michael Mansfield QC. Lawyer.
• Jade Jagger.
• JC 100. Fastest rapper in the west.
• JT Moore. Legendary white rasta guitarist.
• Mike Tyson.
• Miles Davis. Jazz/rock drummer.
• Mo Mowlan. Genuine honest politician.
• Modigliani. Sculptor.
• Montgomery Clift. Mentioned in his biography.
• Neil Diamond.
• Nick Hornby. Author.
• Niel Young. Musician.
• Norman Mailer. Author.
• Oasis. Rock band.
• Oliver Stone.
• Oscar Wilde. Poet.
• Pablo Picasso. Artist.
• Pancho Villa. Mexican bandit revolutionary.
• Paul Flynn. Uk Member of Parliament.
• Paul McCartney. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
• Paul Simon. Musician, song writer.
• Pharoahs of Egypt. Traces in body samples.
• Phil Donohue.
• Phil Tufnell. Former test cricketer, now media celeb.
• Peter Fonda. Actor; 'Easy Rider'.
• Peter Sellers. Actor, comedian.
• Peter Tosh. Musician.
• Philip K. Dick. Science fiction author.
• Pierre Burton.
• Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
• Pink Floyd; Syd Barret and Roger Waters.
• Prince Charles. Heir to the Throne. Quoted while visiting a hospital; 'I understand cannabis is good for medical use' .
• Prince William.
• Prince Harry.
• Pythagoras.
• Queen Arnegunde.
• Queen Victoria. Used it for medical purposes.
• Ram Dass.
• Ray Charles. Musician.
• Rev Kenneth Leech.
• Richard Branson. 'Virgin'. Entreprenur.
• Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist, founder of quantum electrodynamics.
• Richard Prior.
• Richard Wilson. Actor; 'One Foot in the Grave'.
• Rimbaud. Author.
• Robert Burns. Mentioned it in a poem.
• Robert 'King' Carter. Grower.
• Robert Anton Wilson. Author.
• Robert Mitchum. Jailed 90 days for possession of marijuana, 1949.
• Roger McGough. 60's liverpool poet.
• Rolling Stones. Rock band.
• Ronnie Scot. Jazz club owner, musician, busted on stage 1958, at his club in Soho, London.
• S Club 7. 'Super clean' pop band, busted in Soho, very embarrassing.
• Salvador Dali. Artist.
• Samuel Beckett.
• Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Poet.
• Shen Nung. One of the fathers of Chinese medicine. 2700 B.C .
• Sinead O'Connor. Singer.
• Sidi-Hidi.
• Sigmun Freud. Shrink.
• Sonny Bono.
• Super Furry Animals. Welsh band who wrote a song about Howard Marks.
• Stephen King.
• Sting/Gordon Sumners.
• Tariq Ali. Activist Writer.
• Tenessee Williams. Author.
• Terence McKenna. Author.
• Terry Gilliam. Actor, comedian;Monty Python.
• The Who. Rock band.
• Thelonius Monk.
• Thomas Jefferson.
• Timothy Leary.
• Tom Lehrer.
• Top Tories. Senior members of the shadow cabinet.
• Tony Elliot. Publisher, 'Time Out.
• Tracy Blevins. Artist.
• Tuppy Gore.
• UB40. Band.
• Victor Hugo.
• Vincent Van Gogh. Artist.
• Walt Disney. Cartoonist.
• Walter Benjamin.
• Whitney Houstonn. Busted at Hawaii airport but ran away.
• William Burroughs. Author, poet, artist.
• Will Self. Author. Did smack on Blairs plane.
• William Shakespeare. Playwright.
• William Straw. UK Home Sec Jack Straw's son. Cautioned for supplying undercover journalists in pub 'shocker'.
• Willie Nelson.
• Winston Churchill. British Prime Minister, poet, artist & multi drug user.
• Woody Harrelson. Actor. Features in a book on growing medical marijua
Rick, I see Mike Tyson on the list. He probably had the munchies when he bit Holifield's ear, both times.:D
 
Didn't seem to slow these guys down to much...

• Al Gore. is an uneducated moron spending his life debating the science of something he knows nothing about
• Andy Warhol. Artist.I am pretty sure far more potent and mind bending drugs were responsible for his success
• Beatles.see Andy Warhol
• Bob Denver.how did this guy NOT slow down after Gilligan? Seriously, I know you cut and pasted this list but seriously, this guys career is right there with Gary Coleman
• Boy George.see Bob Denver. Plus do you know how much jail time and crap this guy has been through lately?
• Carl Sagan. Author.hmm maybe you have a point
• Carl Segan . Author.wait...what??? are you high? you just said that...
• Carrie Fischer.see Bob Denver. Plus she is now 75% of the way to nuts
• Cheech Marin.OK, he made his start by BEING a stoner, then he moved past that. Chong stayed on the stoner bandwagon and is now jealous of Cheech's success
• Dave Gilmour . Musician ; Pink Floyd.Gonna guess pot was the least of the drugs this band was into at their peak
• Drew Barrymore.Her drugs years (which included alot more then pot) were not exactly the peak of her career.
• Edgar Allen Poe. Author, multi-drug user.Far stronger drugs led to talking ravens
• Elvis Presley. Singer, FBI informer.drugs certainly slowed this guy down some, not exactly a good example when so many people argue that pot is an entry into drugs and Elvis went on to do massive amounts of way harsher drugs then pot.
• Francis Ford Coppella.Meh, his last good movie came out almost 20 years ago. He needs to see Andy Warhol IMO...
• Ganesh - Hindu God.Yeah, but seriously what is going to slow this guy down, he is a God FFS
• George Clinton. Ex President's brother.Which ex president is that?
• George W Bush. Possibly the greatest living hypocrite.yeah this guy is not going to be a positive arguement for alot of people
• George Michael. Singer.Great singer, his career and personal life though have not exactly stayed the course
• Howard Stern, Admitted it on the radio.I am sure he has smoked alot of pot, he has also probably admitted to screwing a giant turtle while it was trying to lay eggs on a beach just for the shock value of it.
• Hunter S. Thompson. Smoked weed and snorted coke with George Bush.And then killed himself
• Kurt Cobain. Slowed right the &%^$ down
• Jack Nicholson. Film actor.should smoke more pot and attack less people with golf clubs in fits of road rage
• Jane Fonda. Actress.Her career slowed down considerably due to her stances on many things pissing people off
• James Brown. Singer, song writer.dude had to be helped off stage at every single show
• Janis Joplin. Singer, song writer.Dead as a doornail at a very young age. Dead=slow
• Jesse 0Ventura.From governer to host of a conspiracy theory show, that is IMO slowing down some...
• Jimmy Hendrix. Rock guitarist, singe, song writerin a race between him, Elvis, and Bob Marley who would win?
• Jim Morrison. Musician, songwriter; The Doors.See Jimmy Hendrix
• Joan of Arc. Accused of using 'witch herbs' (another name for cannabis).she got flipping burned to death...
• John Belushi.Another celeb dead at a super young age, these are the types of guys that just don't "SUPPORT" your arguement
• John Lennon. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.his best stuff was due to better stuff then pot
• Johnny Cash.his outlook on drugs at the tail end of his life was anything but positive
• John Wayne. 'I tried it once but it didn't do anything to me.' so it did not slow him down because he never actually continued to smoke it???
• Kirk Douglas. Actor.and many people believe occasional rapist
• Kurt Cobain.makes his second appearence on the list, friggin stoners and their lists...
• Marlon Brando. Actor.one of the best actors ever but he was also a reclusive nutjob
• Mick Jagger. Singer, song writer, The Rolling Stones.All of these singers and bands on this list went WAY beyond pot, cocaine did not slow these guys down, unless is happend to kill them
• Mike Tyson. oh yeah, there is a guy with an awesome career these days, he is the butt of the joke on the Hangover movies and bit a guys ear off. Oh ya, and he raped a girl. This is NOT a guy you want to use as a pot spokesperson.
• Oasis. Rock band.from the peak of the musical world to nowhere, again not the best example of people who did not "slow down"
• Pablo Picasso. Artist.Pot? try Opium
• Paul McCartney. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.see John Lennon

• Pierre Elliot Trudeau.was a goof who wrecked the economy of Western Canada for years
• Pink Floyd; Syd Barret and Roger Waters.see the other Pink Floyd member above
• Prince Charles. Heir to the Throne. Quoted while visiting a hospital; 'I understand cannabis is good for medical use' .
• Prince William.
• Prince Harry.for all of the royals above, who freaking cares? They were born with a silver spoon shoved into their mouth, how do you slow down when you are born a billionaire celebrity from day 1?
• Richard Prior. he used the stuff for medicinal purposes when he got MS. He might have used it before that but this is one guy on the list who likely got needed medical relief from it and for that reason this stuff is for sure fine
• Rolling Stones. Rock band.again, pot was the least of what they did. Smoking pot for Keith Richards was "clean living" in comparison to his norm
• Sinead O'Connor. Singer.Who? Oh yeah... that singer from the 80's. Yep, no slow down there...
• Sigmun Freud. Shrink.yeah but he smoked it because of his mother.
• Sonny Bono.Great Career there, no slow down at all after he lost Cher.
• Stephen King.If this is why the final books in the Dark Tower series were written like they were this stuff needs to be outlawed NOW!!!
• The Who. Rock band.Pot schmot, these guys went WAY beyond pot, and they lost a drummer because of it. Again a bad arguement for people who call pot the entry drug
• Vincent Van Gogh. ArtistPot? Pfft yeah right, Absinthe was his drug of choice and he died with a huge mess of symptons of all sorts of diseases.
• Whitney Houstonn. Busted at Hawaii airport but ran away.Holy crap, have you SEEN her lately? She is way beyond pot, has no career, and is certainly NOT a good example of a celeb who smokes pot and has stayed on top...

Not exactly a glowing list TBH of people who have smoked pot and been doing awesome at the game of life...
 
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