so when i need weed i should????lol
hey bro if it's your cup of tea you're welcome to it. that stuff is such a turn off to me. at no point did it feel good
Cannabis, pool and life
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so when i need weed i should????lol
hey bro if it's your cup of tea you're welcome to it. that stuff is such a turn off to me. at no point did it feel good
I'm one of those medical cardholders with multiple crushed vertibrae and collapsed disks. Needless to say I have severe chronic back pain and to the point of insomnia from the pain because often just staying in one position long enough to fall asleep starts to hurt too much.
Often I never feel rested even if I do get some sleep without pot. Probably tossing and turning even while asleep and just unaware of it.
Even during waking hours I can't sit in any position too long without pain setting in, and on the other hand doing too much work or even playing pool is a real killer quite often. My favorite sport and leisure activities are often impossible.
Doctors have had me on everything from oxy to morphine to nsaids to vioxx to anti depressants for their pain relief effect, and there's nothing and I mean NOTHING more effective and with fewer negatives than pot. But there are of course negatives with anything if you overdo it. Moderation is the key to all things, especially for recreation, but with chronic pain you need something constantly so what's a guy to do?
I have had a medical card for a couple years now. Learned to grow my own and yield over a pound per plant. Doesn't cost me much of anything and I never run out since I'm allowed to have 1.5lbs at any time not counting what's on the trees. I'm able to care for myself and not live off medicare or disabilty because my medicine costs nothing, which is good because I don't qualify for medicare or medicaid or disabilty because they're all a bunch of broken systems and out of money for the last several years I needed them.
My memory is shit awful useless if I'm not medicated because life without quality sleep is more of a killer than even using or heavily abusing most drugs. Due to a recent dui though, I've been forced to just live with my pain so I can pee clean to prove something, I'm not sure what, to the powers that be. I made the mistake of driving at .08 on the nose and I'm skinny so that doesn't take much, and I freaking needed a little pain relief of alcohol to play my league but anyway I guess it is my fault I did drive and was barely over that technical line. Forget the fact that if I were still on pills I could have been wrecked on those, and nobody would have made me test for shit or been stalking me outside a bar trying to make their salary or bonus.
Anyway having been sober this past few months, almost a year actually, has left me unable to do a whole lot of anything but just live moment to moment getting by with the pain and inability to sleep and many days just feeling like a zombie. I'm totally clean for months and have no withdrawl symptoms. I refuse to do any of the presciption drugs any more though I could now even on probation because of the horrible side effects they come with, the flue like horrible withdrawls when you want off them, the requirement by doctors to not just use them when you need them but to maintain a constant level therefore mandatory addiction, and plus I simply can't afford them.
Having learned pot inside and out and compared every other drug under the sun for pain, I can honestly say it's a hell of a lot more effective and better at pain management than anything else on the market, or that anyone gives it credit for. I can live without it and these last few months didn't leave me with any anxiety or anything other than just feeling angrier than normal not from withdrawl, but just being forced to live in pain and without good sleep to prove some point that doesn't need proven.
I don't know where I'm going with this because It's very late and I'm very tired and hurting and can't sleep, but I guess I just have to say prohibition is bullshit and pot doesn't hurt everyone or cause withdrawls for everyone and improves a lot of peoples lives who genuinely do need something. It has also given me great fun in the past before I was injured just for recreation, and only once did I have a reaction like the person above where it just wasn't fun. That too was just too strong a phenotype with absolutely no tolerance at the time.
If it weren't for pot, I may have just thrown in the towel on living because living in pain and without good sleep is the worst thing in the world to wish on someone, and no lawyer or judge in the world has the right or should have the right to make someone live that way. I screwed up with a dui, technically, just on the line, and sure ok take away my driving for a year or whatever you pissy mother... But stay OUT of medicine and let people make their own decisions.
Pot is like anything else, it can be fun and do no harm if you don't abuse it and smoke it right the healthy way as in vape not smoke or just use strong stuff and smoke very little. Even smoking it doesn't build up in your lungs like cigarettes do and doesn't cause cancer regardless of what anyone says no link to cancer has ever been proven period, in fact there's a lot of evidence that smoking pot can reduce the risk of cancer if that's all you smoke. If you smoke cigs too then forget it though, you're just adding to a killer toxin.
When I'm off my probation I'll be happy to smoke up with anyone else around here and play some games, and teach others how to yield as much as 6lbs per 1kw light... I only have a few more months of 24/7 chronic pain to get through first without my medicine, then the state can't tell me what to do once again.
Oh yea kids don't drink and drive, not even .001, they want to bust anyone that even has a sip of alcohol and there is no legal limit in oregon. It may say .08 is the limit but they can say any amount affects you negatively and will in court like they did to me. You can't argue pain or tolerance or facts of being a better driver not distracted with severe pain or shit, you're just guilty...
Also don't you dare smoke and drive, if they smell it you're guilty of a dui and no tests are needed it's officers opinoins vs yours.
Now I hope I'm tired enough to go to sleep after writing this book and venting my rambling rant.
If it doesn't help you or make you feel good or ruined your life don't do it, just don't take away others rights to live as free men in a supposedly free country.
Also please do all you can to end prohibition to end the killing. Marijuana never killed anyone but prohibition has killed over 40 thousand people just in mexico alone since they cracked down on pot 3 years ago. It's no different than alcohol prohibition where gangs took over our country and everyone was driving around with tommy guns trying to take over every city. Some of the worst criminals are in fact in law enforcement and the legal system itself, and we have to take it upon ourselves to force them off the nipple of living on others misery with the war on drugs. Also please try to keep legislation to a minimum and just make it free and unregulated. We don't need some liquor control commision putting the same or worse taxes on pot as they do alcohol to steal from the poor and give to the rich. In case you aren't aware, my state has an alcohol tax something on the order of 15 times the cost of the alcohol itself not counting the feds tax which is over 10 times the cost of the alcohol. We are taxed nearly $35 per GALLON of liquor, when liquor costs around $1-$2 a gallon to make, and nobody deserves to make that kind of money off anyone period for any reason. Also in case you aren't aware prohibition isn't actually over for alcohol either. You or I can't legally make our own alcohol, even still (pun), even if we are legal to have it and consume it. They're keeping a monopoly and forcing you to pay those taxes. At a minimum even if it's regulated don't allow them to take away a persons right to grow their own untaxed and try not to allow them to hand over a monopoly of weed growing to the tobacco industry, or anyone else. Those guys have had their free ride and killed enough people and deserve to rot in hell. Believe it or not regulation and control is state and federal theivery and monopoly of markets at every single level you can think of, not even counting all the for profit prisons or etc etc with all those dangerous non violent pot smokers are locked up and turned into real criminals. Lawyers judges police politicians etc etc are all bilking our society with this war on drugs, and it's way past time to put an end to it.
Some folks should actually be held accountable for the body count they've created and continue to knowingly make worse to this day if you ask me. Nobody has a right to tell you what you can put in your own body unless it infringes on the rights of another person in some way. If you don't have the right to injest what you please or live however you please as long as it doesn't hurt others, then you aren't really free are you? If a law creates more crime and worse reprocussions than the "evil" it purports to prevent that law isn't just rediculous it's criminal.
Oh yea finally to the point of the thread, did it make me a better pool player? Considering I can't play much without it at all because the pain keeps me from it, I'd say yea. But that's not really the same thing as making you better at using the best strategy or thinking ahead as well as sober or keeping the nerves at bay. Just makes pool still possible and enjoyable for me. Without it I could only play so rarely and for such a short time anymore that I'd never be "in stroke" again.
Often I never feel rested even if I do get some sleep without pot. Probably tossing and turning even while asleep and just unaware of it.
Even during waking hours I can't sit in any position too long without pain setting in, and on the other hand doing too much work or even playing pool is a real killer quite often. My favorite sport and leisure activities are often impossible.
Doctors have had me on everything from oxy to morphine to nsaids to vioxx to anti depressants for their pain relief effect, and there's nothing and I mean NOTHING more effective and with fewer negatives than pot. But there are of course negatives with anything if you overdo it. Moderation is the key to all things, especially for recreation, but with chronic pain you need something constantly so what's a guy to do?
I have had a medical card for a couple years now. Learned to grow my own and yield over a pound per plant. Doesn't cost me much of anything and I never run out since I'm allowed to have 1.5lbs at any time not counting what's on the trees. I'm able to care for myself and not live off medicare or disabilty because my medicine costs nothing, which is good because I don't qualify for medicare or medicaid or disabilty because they're all a bunch of broken systems and out of money for the last several years I needed them.
My memory is shit awful useless if I'm not medicated because life without quality sleep is more of a killer than even using or heavily abusing most drugs. Due to a recent dui though, I've been forced to just live with my pain so I can pee clean to prove something, I'm not sure what, to the powers that be. I made the mistake of driving at .08 on the nose and I'm skinny so that doesn't take much, and I freaking needed a little pain relief of alcohol to play my league but anyway I guess it is my fault I did drive and was barely over that technical line. Forget the fact that if I were still on pills I could have been wrecked on those, and nobody would have made me test for shit or been stalking me outside a bar trying to make their salary or bonus.
Anyway having been sober this past few months, almost a year actually, has left me unable to do a whole lot of anything but just live moment to moment getting by with the pain and inability to sleep and many days just feeling like a zombie. I'm totally clean for months and have no withdrawl symptoms. I refuse to do any of the presciption drugs any more though I could now even on probation because of the horrible side effects they come with, the flue like horrible withdrawls when you want off them, the requirement by doctors to not just use them when you need them but to maintain a constant level therefore mandatory addiction, and plus I simply can't afford them.
Having learned pot inside and out and compared every other drug under the sun for pain, I can honestly say it's a hell of a lot more effective and better at pain management than anything else on the market, or that anyone gives it credit for. I can live without it and these last few months didn't leave me with any anxiety or anything other than just feeling angrier than normal not from withdrawl, but just being forced to live in pain and without good sleep to prove some point that doesn't need proven.
I don't know where I'm going with this because It's very late and I'm very tired and hurting and can't sleep, but I guess I just have to say prohibition is bullshit and pot doesn't hurt everyone or cause withdrawls for everyone and improves a lot of peoples lives who genuinely do need something. It has also given me great fun in the past before I was injured just for recreation, and only once did I have a reaction like the person above where it just wasn't fun. That too was just too strong a phenotype with absolutely no tolerance at the time.
If it weren't for pot, I may have just thrown in the towel on living because living in pain and without good sleep is the worst thing in the world to wish on someone, and no lawyer or judge in the world has the right or should have the right to make someone live that way. I screwed up with a dui, technically, just on the line, and sure ok take away my driving for a year or whatever you pissy mother... But stay OUT of medicine and let people make their own decisions.
Pot is like anything else, it can be fun and do no harm if you don't abuse it and smoke it right the healthy way as in vape not smoke or just use strong stuff and smoke very little. Even smoking it doesn't build up in your lungs like cigarettes do and doesn't cause cancer regardless of what anyone says no link to cancer has ever been proven period, in fact there's a lot of evidence that smoking pot can reduce the risk of cancer if that's all you smoke. If you smoke cigs too then forget it though, you're just adding to a killer toxin.
When I'm off my probation I'll be happy to smoke up with anyone else around here and play some games, and teach others how to yield as much as 6lbs per 1kw light... I only have a few more months of 24/7 chronic pain to get through first without my medicine, then the state can't tell me what to do once again.
Oh yea kids don't drink and drive, not even .001, they want to bust anyone that even has a sip of alcohol and there is no legal limit in oregon. It may say .08 is the limit but they can say any amount affects you negatively and will in court like they did to me. You can't argue pain or tolerance or facts of being a better driver not distracted with severe pain or shit, you're just guilty...
Also don't you dare smoke and drive, if they smell it you're guilty of a dui and no tests are needed it's officers opinoins vs yours.
Now I hope I'm tired enough to go to sleep after writing this book and venting my rambling rant.
If it doesn't help you or make you feel good or ruined your life don't do it, just don't take away others rights to live as free men in a supposedly free country.
Also please do all you can to end prohibition to end the killing. Marijuana never killed anyone but prohibition has killed over 40 thousand people just in mexico alone since they cracked down on pot 3 years ago. It's no different than alcohol prohibition where gangs took over our country and everyone was driving around with tommy guns trying to take over every city. Some of the worst criminals are in fact in law enforcement and the legal system itself, and we have to take it upon ourselves to force them off the nipple of living on others misery with the war on drugs. Also please try to keep legislation to a minimum and just make it free and unregulated. We don't need some liquor control commision putting the same or worse taxes on pot as they do alcohol to steal from the poor and give to the rich. In case you aren't aware, my state has an alcohol tax something on the order of 15 times the cost of the alcohol itself not counting the feds tax which is over 10 times the cost of the alcohol. We are taxed nearly $35 per GALLON of liquor, when liquor costs around $1-$2 a gallon to make, and nobody deserves to make that kind of money off anyone period for any reason. Also in case you aren't aware prohibition isn't actually over for alcohol either. You or I can't legally make our own alcohol, even still (pun), even if we are legal to have it and consume it. They're keeping a monopoly and forcing you to pay those taxes. At a minimum even if it's regulated don't allow them to take away a persons right to grow their own untaxed and try not to allow them to hand over a monopoly of weed growing to the tobacco industry, or anyone else. Those guys have had their free ride and killed enough people and deserve to rot in hell. Believe it or not regulation and control is state and federal theivery and monopoly of markets at every single level you can think of, not even counting all the for profit prisons or etc etc with all those dangerous non violent pot smokers are locked up and turned into real criminals. Lawyers judges police politicians etc etc are all bilking our society with this war on drugs, and it's way past time to put an end to it.
Some folks should actually be held accountable for the body count they've created and continue to knowingly make worse to this day if you ask me. Nobody has a right to tell you what you can put in your own body unless it infringes on the rights of another person in some way. If you don't have the right to injest what you please or live however you please as long as it doesn't hurt others, then you aren't really free are you? If a law creates more crime and worse reprocussions than the "evil" it purports to prevent that law isn't just rediculous it's criminal.
Oh yea finally to the point of the thread, did it make me a better pool player? Considering I can't play much without it at all because the pain keeps me from it, I'd say yea. But that's not really the same thing as making you better at using the best strategy or thinking ahead as well as sober or keeping the nerves at bay. Just makes pool still possible and enjoyable for me. Without it I could only play so rarely and for such a short time anymore that I'd never be "in stroke" again.
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TheThaiger
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Impressive yields there, oregon.
I agree with all of your post except the bit about taxing alcohol. Alcohol causes significant damage to virtually all aspects of society - it is right it should be highly taxed - to discourage reckless usage and pay for the harm it causes. Giving up alcohol was the best thing I ever did, and my proudest achievement. Weed is easy to quit, cigarettes less so, and alcohol very difficult indeed. Weed is fantastic for promoting blissful sleep, and should primarily be used for that purpose IMO.
I would tax alcohol higher and bang massive increases on junk food.
I agree with all of your post except the bit about taxing alcohol. Alcohol causes significant damage to virtually all aspects of society - it is right it should be highly taxed - to discourage reckless usage and pay for the harm it causes. Giving up alcohol was the best thing I ever did, and my proudest achievement. Weed is easy to quit, cigarettes less so, and alcohol very difficult indeed. Weed is fantastic for promoting blissful sleep, and should primarily be used for that purpose IMO.
I would tax alcohol higher and bang massive increases on junk food.
I have personally held patients down during psychotic breaks due to marijuana.
Yes, it is likely it will become more legalized. That has nothing to do with whether or not it is good or bad as far as your health, nothing at all.
Glad you quit. There is a lot of BS out there about it, too much bad information from people who don't know what they are talking about.
If you need help staying away from it, see your doctor, he/she can help.
Yes, it is likely it will become more legalized. That has nothing to do with whether or not it is good or bad as far as your health, nothing at all.
Glad you quit. There is a lot of BS out there about it, too much bad information from people who don't know what they are talking about.
If you need help staying away from it, see your doctor, he/she can help.
Thanks thtaiger I've studied for years to learn how to yield like that. The internet is a wonderful thing. 
If that alcohol tax money did any good for the people I would agree with you. They take in enough to pay for rehab for every single person that has ever had a problem with it, and damn well should, but none of that money goes towards anything good.
Many people know it's poison and never use it too much, and taxing it high doesn't stop an alcoholic just makes him a more productive slave for the economy, so taxing it like they do really helps nobody. The better way to prevent alcohol from damaging the most people is giving them better legal alternatives. Like say pot. And better education on how bad alcohol really is.
Some people can't handle any drugs period, even pot, and all those people should get free help to get off it with these tax dollars we rake in and waste.
If that alcohol tax money did any good for the people I would agree with you. They take in enough to pay for rehab for every single person that has ever had a problem with it, and damn well should, but none of that money goes towards anything good.
Many people know it's poison and never use it too much, and taxing it high doesn't stop an alcoholic just makes him a more productive slave for the economy, so taxing it like they do really helps nobody. The better way to prevent alcohol from damaging the most people is giving them better legal alternatives. Like say pot. And better education on how bad alcohol really is.
Some people can't handle any drugs period, even pot, and all those people should get free help to get off it with these tax dollars we rake in and waste.
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It took 72 days to start peeing yellow again, after 15yrs of daily consumption. At about day 50 my game really started to come up a notch.
Alcohol puts my game right in the crapper. If I am even mildly inebreated there is a dramatic effect on my skill at the table.
When I shoot alone, I usually end up doing the Q skills and have been for a couple years. I can go back and look at my scores over time and see progress, slumps, and inconsistency in my play. My best has been a 717 and 98 for an individual set. After 90 days, I started again and the effect on my play was dramatic. I lost a good 100 points for the next several challenges, until I acclimated to the sensation. I'm shooting in the mid 600's again but still haven't achieved the same performance as sober.
To the OP don't let anyone give you a hard time about positive choices you make in life. Have the confidence to know you can do what is best for you, and feel good enough in your own skin to do those things.
Alcohol puts my game right in the crapper. If I am even mildly inebreated there is a dramatic effect on my skill at the table.
When I shoot alone, I usually end up doing the Q skills and have been for a couple years. I can go back and look at my scores over time and see progress, slumps, and inconsistency in my play. My best has been a 717 and 98 for an individual set. After 90 days, I started again and the effect on my play was dramatic. I lost a good 100 points for the next several challenges, until I acclimated to the sensation. I'm shooting in the mid 600's again but still haven't achieved the same performance as sober.
To the OP don't let anyone give you a hard time about positive choices you make in life. Have the confidence to know you can do what is best for you, and feel good enough in your own skin to do those things.
I think you misunderstood, I didn't tell you to do anything. But you can't compare a positive marijuana high to overdosing yourself. That's why I compared a single aspirin to taking the whole bottle.
Marijuana absolutely saved my life.
Your patients were psychotic before the break....
Their psychotic threshold was lowered. They in fact were not psychotic before the break. Hence the term "break". I am by no means claiming that it causes psychosis.
I was going to call you on that too, a little more honesty and clarity upfront would be good from the medical community... That wasn't a perfectly normal healthy happy individual to begin with.
To be perfectly honest, some of the most evil drug pushers I've ever met were doctors, drug dealers didn't hold a candle to those guys.
Also the medical community are often some of the most ill informed or biased people towards medical marijuana that there ever have been. It's often as much unwelcome competition and fear of the unknown, and for some loss of the unregulated captive market as much as anything else. Not that you guys were always given an honest education on the subject to begin with, your education system hasn't exactly embraced medical marijuana either or given you much more than scare propaganda to work from. Nor is there a pharma industry giving you guys bonuses or free pens or free trips to hawaii for pot conferences for using an herb.
I'm not saying you're a bad doctor, just there are a lot of them and they haven't always served me well, nor has the entire industry even the good docs and I'm not alone in that.
Not that you aren't right, it's great to see someone learn from their mistakes and get off something that isn't any good for them no matter what that is. Kudo's, just make sure your doc doesn't try to hook you on something else that's even worse and that they control the market for.
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Sounds like Reefer madness to me....!! Blame it on the 'Devil weed'.
Biased? Hell yeah! If all their patients started smoking weed can you imagine how much $$$$ the medical industry would miss out on? A lot of the pharmaceutical companies would go belly up, in a short amount of time at that.
It takes money right out of their pockets, bottom line.
eric.9baller
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oh my god
Did you just tell a guy that you will be fine in a short period of time from a guy stopping pot after 40 days of smoking? He's fine now. lmao. quick! medic! get me an I.V.! This man may slip into a comma!! He's been off that marajuana stuff for a day and he might go crazy and fall over dead on the spot. Weak. I can translate your first post easily. "You guys shouldn't smoke because I quit already. and its not fair!"
Did you just tell a guy that you will be fine in a short period of time from a guy stopping pot after 40 days of smoking? He's fine now. lmao. quick! medic! get me an I.V.! This man may slip into a comma!! He's been off that marajuana stuff for a day and he might go crazy and fall over dead on the spot. Weak. I can translate your first post easily. "You guys shouldn't smoke because I quit already. and its not fair!"
eric.9baller
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love this post.
Just a bunch off little tweets from little birds till this post hit! Nicely played sir!!
Usually pot causes anxiety (paranoia) - not the other way around. It's possible you have mild anxiety probs naturally and it's possible that by smoking (self-medicating), those symptoms were covered up for some time.
Based on national news and press releases from the UN, it's only a matter of time before marijuana becomes legal and controlled/taxed similarly to alcohol.
Some of you guys are being harsh with Ken. If any of you drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, you're causing far more hard to your body.
I can pull up similar charts on death-rates, over-doses, cancer risks, etc.
Back during prohibition, alcohol was more illegal than marijuana. Yet today, alcohol is a multi-billion dollar industry. As everything in life comes full circle, the same will be said with marijuana.
So, it's always good to not be a hypocrite. Don't knock Ken because he admitted to smoking pot like you're holier than thou....while you chug down beers, whiskey shots or smoke cigarettes. People walk around California, Nevada, Colorado and a number of other states with medical marijuana cards smoking their bud. I heard they hand out medical cards to ANYONE who wants them. Like I said--- it's a "p-hair" away from full legalization and taxation.
Just a bunch off little tweets from little birds till this post hit! Nicely played sir!!
Lays potato chips has me like real bad, I got it real bad. Great crunch, salty I like Lays. I think I can eat just one but before you know it is just one more then I'm in trouble. I got to get off the Lays.
Good luck with the weed thing. Good decisions yield good results long term.
Good luck with the weed thing. Good decisions yield good results long term.
Want to get off the Lays?
Put down the reefer.
Just sayin. In that "dangers" chart there was no graph for "the munchies".
I could care less if he the guy smokes pot or not. I care about someone preaching what others should do based on just their experiences.
There was no need to come on here and make that post other than to preach the evils of weed.
His experiences with smoking pot do not match what mine have been and what others have been.
Do you want me to come on here and start preaching that everyone needs to smoke pot because I find it of benefit? That there would be world peace if everyone got stone and had some rocky road ice cream.
I can not drink like I used too, you want me to come one here and start telling others to stop?
By the way, it is not the alcohol that is the problem, but my body just doesn't process it like it used to. I don't blame the alcohol. It was my choice to drink. Not everyone will have the same problem with drinking as I.
And to the heart if he really thinks it was the pot, he's got a long way to go until he understands the why behind smoking. It is the why someone smokes, drinks, that is important and not the what.
There was no need to come on here and make that post other than to preach the evils of weed.
His experiences with smoking pot do not match what mine have been and what others have been.
Do you want me to come on here and start preaching that everyone needs to smoke pot because I find it of benefit? That there would be world peace if everyone got stone and had some rocky road ice cream.
I can not drink like I used too, you want me to come one here and start telling others to stop?
By the way, it is not the alcohol that is the problem, but my body just doesn't process it like it used to. I don't blame the alcohol. It was my choice to drink. Not everyone will have the same problem with drinking as I.
And to the heart if he really thinks it was the pot, he's got a long way to go until he understands the why behind smoking. It is the why someone smokes, drinks, that is important and not the what.
I'm hurting for a cup of coffee. This is the time of morning that I have my coffee. But, I have to get some blood drawn this morning and can have only water.
This sucks. I need my caffeine. I get all antsy if I don't have my morning coffee. All I can think about is getting to Starbucks ASAP after the lab visit.
The smell of the coffee brewing is driving me nuts, but the wife needs her fix, or should I make her wait?
AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH the torture.........
This sucks. I need my caffeine. I get all antsy if I don't have my morning coffee. All I can think about is getting to Starbucks ASAP after the lab visit.
The smell of the coffee brewing is driving me nuts, but the wife needs her fix, or should I make her wait?
AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH the torture.........
Rock'n Rod
Few people realize how long it can take you to pass a whiz quiz if you are a heavy pot user. I had a friend I'll call Rock'n Rod cause that is what I always called him.
Rod was and is as far as I know a 1000 ton boat captain.
When dope testing got common he couldn't pass the test. Two or three days not smoking, no go. Two weeks no smoking, no go. Six weeks not smoking, no go. Rod was frustrated and asked the doc how the hell long did it take to pass the whiz quiz?
"How much do you smoke?"
"All I can get!"
"Somebody like you it may take six months to pass the test."
Rod eventually went to work for some folks that didn't care. The personel man looked at him and said, "I know two things about you, you can pass the physical but you can't pass the drug test."
Rod told him, "I can't pass it on the way out but I can pass it on the way in." Good enough, he was hired. Another pot smoking captain I knew made a little honest mistake, he mistook a three hundred and some odd foot supply boat for a lily pad in fog. Could happen to anybody I guess but more likely if you are a little casual about your job.
Speaking of casual about your job, how many people have lost their jobs because they couldn't give up the use of "nonaddictive" pot? At least one of the operating room engineers at a nuclear plant lost a very well paying career position because he tested dirty for pot three times over several years. The first time he was warned and suspended from his duties for six months, the second time he again escaped the hatchet, third time was the charm. A hitch or two in the nuclear navy, over a decade in the nuke plants, then he had to find a new occupation. It's been years and I forget what he took up but it didn't pay but a tiny fraction of what the nuke gig did. Of course I support his firing, when things go to crap an operator may have seconds to make a decision. With the nuclear containment building in sight from my home I want it to be the right one!
I have buried several people close to me that made gross errors in judgment while under the influence of pot. That makes me a lot less tolerant of it than I might be despite smoking a bale or two of it in my youth before I saw these things happen. I think JoeyA nailed it though, perhaps the greatest harm it does to society as a whole is robbing people of ambition and motivation. How much productivity does pot cost the nation? Every one of us pays for that one way or the other.
Back when working in petro-chem plants was a white male anglo-saxon occupation almost exclusively I worked with black, mexican, and female partners without complaint, all I required was that they be able to do the job. I was one of the few that would. I wouldn't work with a pothead as a partner, too dangerous. Accident prone and just not alert, they endangered their partners. One morning long before drug testing I had started work while my partner and helper were burning one. I had my head down working while they smoked and ignored them when they started talking about a pretty green cloud they were digging. Figured they were being silly or trying to jack with me. When I finally climbed up to where I could see after a few minutes of them admiring the "cloud" I saw a chlorine plume that was so dense it looked solid almost on top of us, less than a hundred feet away. I hollered "That's chlorine you morons!" and took off at a good trot crosswind on two 4" pipes sixty feet in the air. The clowns started wrestling with each other fighting over who would be first to climb up to an opening in a caged ladder to climb back down through the chlorine. They spent days in the hospital, I never drew in a whiff of chlorine. Even when I smoked pot I wasn't dumb enough to do it on the job.
When I owned businesses I didn't drug test. However when I hired someone I told them on the spot that my insurance wasn't valid if they got hurt while under the influence, simple truth. I required that they came on the job straight and sober and stayed that way until quitting time or it was a quick ticket to the gate. The rest of their lives was their business.
Maybe the title of this thread should have been "Cannabis, pool, life, and death" Decades later it still sucks thinking about the otherwise very intelligent people I buried who made bad decisions while under the influence of pot. Most of the time I take a pretty neutral position about pot. As I typed this post I thought more and more of the harm it has done to friends and family. At the moment I'm wondering why the hell I'm so tolerant. I support the death penalty for anyone possessing an amount of any illegal substance that is obviously for resale to mess up other people's lives, that includes pot. I wouldn't be upset if it included alcohol and nicotine too. I'm tired of people making fortunes off of other people's misery and foolishness. The big bucks don't come from the occasional recreational user.
The dope dealers we need to get aren't the peons at the bottom but the big boys at the top and middle. Many of those in the middle are otherwise legitimate businessmen or wealthy people with a cash flow problem. A dirty secret we don't admit, kids from poor neighborhoods don't become bigtime dealers overnight if at all. Cut out the big profits for the big dealers or make the risk too great and we wouldn't have to worry about the little dealers and users.
Wow, would anybody believe this started out to be a short and fairly light post about how long it takes pot to clear a heavy user's system?
Hu
Few people realize how long it can take you to pass a whiz quiz if you are a heavy pot user. I had a friend I'll call Rock'n Rod cause that is what I always called him.
Rod was and is as far as I know a 1000 ton boat captain. When dope testing got common he couldn't pass the test. Two or three days not smoking, no go. Two weeks no smoking, no go. Six weeks not smoking, no go. Rod was frustrated and asked the doc how the hell long did it take to pass the whiz quiz?
"How much do you smoke?"
"All I can get!"
"Somebody like you it may take six months to pass the test."
Rod eventually went to work for some folks that didn't care. The personel man looked at him and said, "I know two things about you, you can pass the physical but you can't pass the drug test."
Rod told him, "I can't pass it on the way out but I can pass it on the way in." Good enough, he was hired. Another pot smoking captain I knew made a little honest mistake, he mistook a three hundred and some odd foot supply boat for a lily pad in fog. Could happen to anybody I guess but more likely if you are a little casual about your job.
Speaking of casual about your job, how many people have lost their jobs because they couldn't give up the use of "nonaddictive" pot? At least one of the operating room engineers at a nuclear plant lost a very well paying career position because he tested dirty for pot three times over several years. The first time he was warned and suspended from his duties for six months, the second time he again escaped the hatchet, third time was the charm. A hitch or two in the nuclear navy, over a decade in the nuke plants, then he had to find a new occupation. It's been years and I forget what he took up but it didn't pay but a tiny fraction of what the nuke gig did. Of course I support his firing, when things go to crap an operator may have seconds to make a decision. With the nuclear containment building in sight from my home I want it to be the right one!
I have buried several people close to me that made gross errors in judgment while under the influence of pot. That makes me a lot less tolerant of it than I might be despite smoking a bale or two of it in my youth before I saw these things happen. I think JoeyA nailed it though, perhaps the greatest harm it does to society as a whole is robbing people of ambition and motivation. How much productivity does pot cost the nation? Every one of us pays for that one way or the other.
Back when working in petro-chem plants was a white male anglo-saxon occupation almost exclusively I worked with black, mexican, and female partners without complaint, all I required was that they be able to do the job. I was one of the few that would. I wouldn't work with a pothead as a partner, too dangerous. Accident prone and just not alert, they endangered their partners. One morning long before drug testing I had started work while my partner and helper were burning one. I had my head down working while they smoked and ignored them when they started talking about a pretty green cloud they were digging. Figured they were being silly or trying to jack with me. When I finally climbed up to where I could see after a few minutes of them admiring the "cloud" I saw a chlorine plume that was so dense it looked solid almost on top of us, less than a hundred feet away. I hollered "That's chlorine you morons!" and took off at a good trot crosswind on two 4" pipes sixty feet in the air. The clowns started wrestling with each other fighting over who would be first to climb up to an opening in a caged ladder to climb back down through the chlorine. They spent days in the hospital, I never drew in a whiff of chlorine. Even when I smoked pot I wasn't dumb enough to do it on the job.
When I owned businesses I didn't drug test. However when I hired someone I told them on the spot that my insurance wasn't valid if they got hurt while under the influence, simple truth. I required that they came on the job straight and sober and stayed that way until quitting time or it was a quick ticket to the gate. The rest of their lives was their business.
Maybe the title of this thread should have been "Cannabis, pool, life, and death" Decades later it still sucks thinking about the otherwise very intelligent people I buried who made bad decisions while under the influence of pot. Most of the time I take a pretty neutral position about pot. As I typed this post I thought more and more of the harm it has done to friends and family. At the moment I'm wondering why the hell I'm so tolerant. I support the death penalty for anyone possessing an amount of any illegal substance that is obviously for resale to mess up other people's lives, that includes pot. I wouldn't be upset if it included alcohol and nicotine too. I'm tired of people making fortunes off of other people's misery and foolishness. The big bucks don't come from the occasional recreational user.
The dope dealers we need to get aren't the peons at the bottom but the big boys at the top and middle. Many of those in the middle are otherwise legitimate businessmen or wealthy people with a cash flow problem. A dirty secret we don't admit, kids from poor neighborhoods don't become bigtime dealers overnight if at all. Cut out the big profits for the big dealers or make the risk too great and we wouldn't have to worry about the little dealers and users.
Wow, would anybody believe this started out to be a short and fairly light post about how long it takes pot to clear a heavy user's system?
Hu
If weed helps people who have illnesses or pain, damn the law and burn one. If one smokes weed to get high, I say each to his own.
I think this thread is serving a good purpose to the pool community and beyond and hope that discussions like this will continue. It's my opinion that there are some people who will suffer greatly from the use of marijuana, while others may appear to not suffer at all and even others who would swear on a stack of bibles that it helps them cope in life and that they are perfectly fine, productive, healthy human beings (and they might be right).
It appears that marijuana can exacerbate a person's mental problems regardless of the severity of the mental problems.
I would be curious about having a list of the pros and cons of Marijuana use. I know FOR SOME, there are some serious benefits to using weed. FOR OTHERS, there are some serious downsides and most likely FOR THE MAJORITY of partakers, there are few life threatening side affects.
Couldn't give up, or didn't want to give up? Money isn't everything to all people. If you aren't happy, what difference does it make? I'd rather make 1/2 the money and be happy.
Here we go again...it's strange how you have known so many people that died as a direct result of marijuana! Really, really strange.
I feel quite certain I have been around way more pot smokers than you have, and I haven't known ONE person who was killed as a result of marijuana. Matter of fact, I haven't even heard of one.
Joey is on to something here...yep, some pot makes some people lazy. Notice the word 'some'. Different strains of marijuana affect people differently. Some strains of pot actually gives you energy, believe it or not. It's not the same old 'dirt' weed you smoked in the 60's-70's.
LOL!! Don't blame ignorance on the pot. That sounds more like a LSD horror story.
You forgot caffeine!!!!! How in the hell can you forget all those amped out people driving like idiots to the grocery, or coffee shops to get thier 'fixes'? Chop their heads off too. Those damn Columbians coffee farmers are out to get you. KILL the farmers too!!.....Down with Starbucks!!!
Damn right....make it legal. Tax it, and make TRILLIONS of dollars instead of spending TRILLIONS of dollars. There wouldn't be any such thing as homeless, or hungry in the USA. Free education, and healthcare systems would be the norm.