Cannabis, pool and life

[DelaWho???]

There are certainly adverse effects and some folks cannot handle the strong stuff. I've personally seen a couple of people pass out from weed alone, several who have "ghosted" which is characterized by ashen palor, cold sweat and loss of moter control. Basically it is a near fainting experience. We aren't talking really high doses here, a few kiff's from a bong or some killer green. While these episodes were harmless I can see something like this (smoking while driving) causing a traffic accident or worse.

While marijuana is for the most part innocuous, there have been studies showing that it can cause psychosis. There is an ongoing study in G.B. ( home of SativX) researching the effects of thc and phychosis.

All vices have hazards associated with them. We all have our vices. It is in everyones best interest to know what you're getting into...

 

[ShootingArts]

the difference

Rick,

I smoked more in a week than you smoke in a month. Moderation hasn't ever been one of my strong points. When I bothered to log it for weeks at a time out of curiosity I discovered I played pool 60-80 hours a week even when I was working forty or fifty hours a week too back when I played pool over three hundred sixty days a year for over ten years. Since you don't like BS except your own I will point out that there was one seven week period in that time after a surgery when I had to play one handed and didn't shoot that many days that year.

It is silly of me to try to reason with a stoner. Been there done that, can't be done. Couldn't be done with me either when I spent much of my time stoned.

I'm going to lay one more little factoid on the table for those that are reading this. A lot of my friends died young, accidents, burnt themselves up on speed or other hard drugs, different things. Over the years I've known a lot of users, alcohol, coke, the spike with pretty much anything they could put in it, and of course pot smokers. Out of all of those people I had four people I knew well commit suicide. Every one of them was a heavy pot smoker. Certainly not the primary cause but I strongly suspect that there is a relationship there. Their age ranged from teens to sixty and their reasons for committing suicide were all widely different. It's not usually listed as such now but pot was once listed as a depressant as well as a hallucigenic, something to think about for those using it to escape or already suffering depression. I have to think at the very least it tends to lower inhibitions and lead to impulsive behavior.

Pot users may be nonviolent as a whole but I'm alive today because I didn't step through an open door when one that committed suicide wanted to take somebody with him. He was hidden laying there with a deer rifle on a rest trained at the door. Had I stepped in I wouldn't have made it past the doormat. I didn't like an open door at four in the morning and when he didn't come when I knocked and spoke I decided to go to a pay phone and call instead. Twenty minutes later he shot himself. Exceptions to every rule.

One thing I know for sure, logic, reason, or common sense isn't going to reach a serious pot smoker and I'm not talking about the people that take a few tokes once a week. I'm deleting my subscription to this thread. Even old daily smokers get smarter if they quit using it long enough!


Hu

Possible, yes, probable, no.

I really don't think you have any concept of how much pot a 100 lbs is. I smoke heavily, and don't smoke 2 oz a month. (1 1/2 lbs a year)

Either that, or you are 110 yrs old. Please go back a few posts...see......'exaggerate'.




Didn't seem to slow these guys down to much...

• Abbie Hoffman
• Abraham Lincoln.
• Al Gore.
• Aldous Huxley
• Aleister Crowley
• Alexander Dumas
• Alice B. Toklas
• Allen Ginsberg. Poet.
• Alexis Korner. Musician.
• Andy Warhol. Artist.
• Annita Roddock. Founder 'The Body Shop'.
• Anjelica Huston. Hollywood actress. Jack Nicholson's girlfriend for 17 years. Pro-drug statements by her in Peter McWilliams book, 'Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in Our Free Country'.
• Arthur Conan Doyle. Author, creator 'Sherlock Holmes'.
• Aswad. Musicians.
• Beatles.
• Bill Clinton.
• Bill Gates. Not confirmed, just very strongly hinted at in the Playboy interview
• Bill Murray Arrested for possession
• Bob Denver.
• Bob Dylan. Poet, singer, song writer.
• Bob Marley. Poet, singer, song writer.
• The Bishop of Monmouth.
• Brian Eno. Singer, song writer. Signed 'Independent' list.
• Boy George.
• British Lords & MP's - too many to list .
• Buddy Rich.
• Cab Calloway. Jazz musician.
• Carl Sagan. Author.
• Caroline Coon. Artist, founder 'Release', manager of the Clash.
• Carl Segan . Author.
• Carlos Santana. Musician, guitarist.
• Carrie Fischer.
• Cary Grant.
• Cary Mullis. Nobel Laurate, Biology
• Charles Beaudelaire
• Charles Dickens. Claims but no evdience.
• Cheech Marin.
• Chris Armstrong. Footballer, tested positive.
• Chris Conrad.
• Chris Farley. 60's singer.
• Chris Rock.
• Conan O'Brian.
• Count Basie. Jazz legend.
• Dame Ruth Runsiman. Author; Police Federation Report (March 2000) advising liberlization.
• Dave Gilmour . Musician ; Pink Floyd.
• Dave 'Tinki Winky' Thompson - TV personality (UK); the Tellie Tubbie that was sacked.
• Diego Rivera.
• Dion Fortune.
• Dioscorides.
• Dizzy Gillespie.
• Douglas Adams. Author.
• Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner.
• Dr Lester Grinspoon.
• Dr Mark Porter. TV doctor who says cannabis is not more harmful than alcohol.
• Dr Anne Biezanek (authoress)
• Dr R.D.Laing.
• Dr John Marks
• Dr W.B. O'Shaugnessy.
• Drew Barrymore.
• Duke Ellington.
• Eddie Ellison. Ex head of Scotland Yard Drug Squad.
• Edgar Allen Poe. Author, multi-drug user.
• Elvis Presley. Singer, FBI informer.
• Emperor Liu Chi-nu.
• Emperor Shen-Nung.
• Ernest Hemmingway. Author.
• Errol Flynn.
• Fela Kuti. Musician. Afro/jazz king.
• Felix Dennis. Publisher.
• Fitz Hugh Ludlow.
• Fran Healey. Musician; Travis.
• Francis Ford Coppella.
• Francis Rabelais.
• Francis Wilkinson. Ex Chief Constable of Gwent Police.
• Fredreich Nietzshe.
• Ganesh - Hindu God.
• Gary Johnson.
• Gene Krupa.
• George Clinton. Ex President's brother.
• George W Bush. Possibly the greatest living hypocrite.
• George Gurdjieff.
• George Melly. Jazz musician (early sponsor of Legalise Cannabis Campaign, Uk).
• George Michael. Singer.
• George Washington.
• George Soros.
• Gerard de Nerval.
• Gilberto Gil. Brazilian musical icon.
• The Greatful Dead.
• Hasan I-Sabah.
• Heinrich Khunrath.
• Helen Petrova Blavatsky.
• Henri Michaux.
• Herman Hesse.
• Hiero the Second.
• Howard Marks. Author, cannabis smuggller.
• Howard Stern, Admitted it on the radio.
• Hua T'o.
• Hunter S. Thompson. Smoked weed and snorted coke with George Bush.
• Ian Botham. Convicted Cricket legend.
• Irvine Welsh.
• Kurt Cobain.
• Jabir Ibn el-Hayyan.
• Jack Herer. Author 'The Emporor Wears No Cloths'
• Jack Kerouac. Author ' On the Road'.
• Jack Nicholson. Film actor.
• Jackie Gleason.
• Jackson Pollock.
• Jane Fonda. Actress.
• James Brown. Singer, song writer.
• Janis Joplin. Singer, song writer.
• Jesse 0Ventura.
• Jerry Lee Lewis. Musician, song writer.
• Jimmy Dorsey.
• Jimmy Hendrix. Rock guitarist, singe, song writer
• Jim Morrison. Musician, songwriter; The Doors.
• Joan of Arc. Accused of using 'witch herbs' (another name for cannabis).
• Joan Rivers.
• Joe Strummer. Musician, singer, songer writer; The Clash.
• John Belushi.
• John Denver.
• John F Kennedy. Popular US president (assassinated).
• John Keats. Poet.
• John Lennon. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
• John Le Mesurier. Tried it but said it's not for him.
• Johnny Cash.
• John Peel. DJ, BBC broadcaster.
• John Sinclair.
• Judge John L. Kane. Chief Judge from the US District Court
• Julie Christie. Actress.
• Jules Verne.
• John Wayne. 'I tried it once but it didn't do anything to me.'
• Kelsey Grammar.
• Ken Livingston. Mayor of London - supports decriminalisation but does not smoke or support the use of recreational drugs.
• Kirk Douglas. Actor.
• Kurt Cobain.
• Larry Adler. Harmonica player and
friend of George Gershwin. May have written a song about it.
• Lenny Bruce. Comedian.
• Lewis Carroll. Author 'Alice in Wonderland'.
• Linda St Clair
• Little Richard. Musician.
• Lord Avebury.
• Lord Byron. Poet.
• Lord Deedes.
• Lord Tony Gifford. QC, civil rights lawyer.
• Louis Armstrong. 'Oh what a wonderful world'.
• Louis Hebert.
• Mark Thomas . Comedian.
• Marlon Brando. Actor.
• Martin Sheen.
• Mary Shelly. Author 'Frankinstein'.
• Mary Tyler Moore.
• Mick Jagger. Singer, song writer, The Rolling Stones.
• Michael Mansfield QC. Lawyer.
• Jade Jagger.
• JC 100. Fastest rapper in the west.
• JT Moore. Legendary white rasta guitarist.
• Mike Tyson.
• Miles Davis. Jazz/rock drummer.
• Mo Mowlan. Genuine honest politician.
• Modigliani. Sculptor.
• Montgomery Clift. Mentioned in his biography.
• Neil Diamond.
• Nick Hornby. Author.
• Niel Young. Musician.
• Norman Mailer. Author.
• Oasis. Rock band.
• Oliver Stone.
• Oscar Wilde. Poet.
• Pablo Picasso. Artist.
• Pancho Villa. Mexican bandit revolutionary.
• Paul Flynn. Uk Member of Parliament.
• Paul McCartney. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
• Paul Simon. Musician, song writer.
• Pharoahs of Egypt. Traces in body samples.
• Phil Donohue.
• Phil Tufnell. Former test cricketer, now media celeb.
• Peter Fonda. Actor; 'Easy Rider'.
• Peter Sellers. Actor, comedian.
• Peter Tosh. Musician.
• Philip K. Dick. Science fiction author.
• Pierre Burton.
• Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
• Pink Floyd; Syd Barret and Roger Waters.
• Prince Charles. Heir to the Throne. Quoted while visiting a hospital; 'I understand cannabis is good for medical use' .
• Prince William.
• Prince Harry.
• Pythagoras.
• Queen Arnegunde.
• Queen Victoria. Used it for medical purposes.
• Ram Dass.
• Ray Charles. Musician.
• Rev Kenneth Leech.
• Richard Branson. 'Virgin'. Entreprenur.
• Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist, founder of quantum electrodynamics.
• Richard Prior.
• Richard Wilson. Actor; 'One Foot in the Grave'.
• Rimbaud. Author.
• Robert Burns. Mentioned it in a poem.
• Robert 'King' Carter. Grower.
• Robert Anton Wilson. Author.
• Robert Mitchum. Jailed 90 days for possession of marijuana, 1949.
• Roger McGough. 60's liverpool poet.
• Rolling Stones. Rock band.
• Ronnie Scot. Jazz club owner, musician, busted on stage 1958, at his club in Soho, London.
• S Club 7. 'Super clean' pop band, busted in Soho, very embarrassing.
• Salvador Dali. Artist.
• Samuel Beckett.
• Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Poet.
• Shen Nung. One of the fathers of Chinese medicine. 2700 B.C .
• Sinead O'Connor. Singer.
• Sidi-Hidi.
• Sigmun Freud. Shrink.
• Sonny Bono.
• Super Furry Animals. Welsh band who wrote a song about Howard Marks.
• Stephen King.
• Sting/Gordon Sumners.
• Tariq Ali. Activist Writer.
• Tenessee Williams. Author.
• Terence McKenna. Author.
• Terry Gilliam. Actor, comedian;Monty Python.
• The Who. Rock band.
• Thelonius Monk.
• Thomas Jefferson.
• Timothy Leary.
• Tom Lehrer.
• Top Tories. Senior members of the shadow cabinet.
• Tony Elliot. Publisher, 'Time Out.
• Tracy Blevins. Artist.
• Tuppy Gore.
• UB40. Band.
• Victor Hugo.
• Vincent Van Gogh. Artist.
• Walt Disney. Cartoonist.
• Walter Benjamin.
• Whitney Houstonn. Busted at Hawaii airport but ran away.
• William Burroughs. Author, poet, artist.
• Will Self. Author. Did smack on Blairs plane.
• William Shakespeare. Playwright.
• William Straw. UK Home Sec Jack Straw's son. Cautioned for supplying undercover journalists in pub 'shocker'.
• Willie Nelson.
• Winston Churchill. British Prime Minister, poet, artist & multi drug user.
• Woody Harrelson. Actor. Features in a book on growing medical marijua

 

[duckie]

If someone is not productive it is because they are lazy or stupid.

And define productive. I've seen straight people not able to work at the same pace as me even when I'm stoned. I've seen straight people look at the same system problem as me and not have a clue how to fix it , but me, even stoned, fixed it.

There are way more straight unproductive people than you think.

Just like in pool, it's the Indian and not the arrow.

 

[Snapshot9]

Just

the fact that long term pot smoking causes impotence should be enough of a deterrent not to smoke it ... lol

 

[JoeyA]

I don't agree with it Joey...at all.

I'm more inclined to believe this article from the same source.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...rmful-than-aspirin-says-scientist-634183.html

I enjoyed reading that article Rick. It gives a different slant to this subject but I don't think it's fair to compare marijuana with cocaine and heroin.

This article's slant on the innocuousness of marijuana is misleading. I like your views on smoking weed and respect them.

Maybe we should make a list of the pros and cons of smoking weed and filter out the ones which are witch hunts . There's enough of that crap going on already.

I'm just curious how the list would look.

 

[JoeyA]

Possible, yes, probable, no.

I really don't think you have any concept of how much pot a 100 lbs is. I smoke heavily, and don't smoke 2 oz a month. (1 1/2 lbs a year)

Either that, or you are 110 yrs old. Please go back a few posts...see......'exaggerate'.




Didn't seem to slow these guys down to much...

• Abbie Hoffman
• Abraham Lincoln.
• Al Gore.
• Aldous Huxley
• Aleister Crowley
• Alexander Dumas
• Alice B. Toklas
• Allen Ginsberg. Poet.
• Alexis Korner. Musician.
• Andy Warhol. Artist.
• Annita Roddock. Founder 'The Body Shop'.
• Anjelica Huston. Hollywood actress. Jack Nicholson's girlfriend for 17 years. Pro-drug statements by her in Peter McWilliams book, 'Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in Our Free Country'.
• Arthur Conan Doyle. Author, creator 'Sherlock Holmes'.
• Aswad. Musicians.
• Beatles.
• Bill Clinton.
• Bill Gates. Not confirmed, just very strongly hinted at in the Playboy interview
• Bill Murray Arrested for possession
• Bob Denver.
• Bob Dylan. Poet, singer, song writer.
• Bob Marley. Poet, singer, song writer.
• The Bishop of Monmouth.
• Brian Eno. Singer, song writer. Signed 'Independent' list.
• Boy George.
• British Lords & MP's - too many to list .
• Buddy Rich.
• Cab Calloway. Jazz musician.
• Carl Sagan. Author.
• Caroline Coon. Artist, founder 'Release', manager of the Clash.
• Carl Segan . Author.
• Carlos Santana. Musician, guitarist.
• Carrie Fischer.
• Cary Grant.
• Cary Mullis. Nobel Laurate, Biology
• Charles Beaudelaire
• Charles Dickens. Claims but no evdience.
• Cheech Marin.
• Chris Armstrong. Footballer, tested positive.
• Chris Conrad.
• Chris Farley. 60's singer.
• Chris Rock.
• Conan O'Brian.
• Count Basie. Jazz legend.
• Dame Ruth Runsiman. Author; Police Federation Report (March 2000) advising liberlization.
• Dave Gilmour . Musician ; Pink Floyd.
• Dave 'Tinki Winky' Thompson - TV personality (UK); the Tellie Tubbie that was sacked.
• Diego Rivera.
• Dion Fortune.
• Dioscorides.
• Dizzy Gillespie.
• Douglas Adams. Author.
• Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner.
• Dr Lester Grinspoon.
• Dr Mark Porter. TV doctor who says cannabis is not more harmful than alcohol.
• Dr Anne Biezanek (authoress)
• Dr R.D.Laing.
• Dr John Marks
• Dr W.B. O'Shaugnessy.
• Drew Barrymore.
• Duke Ellington.
• Eddie Ellison. Ex head of Scotland Yard Drug Squad.
• Edgar Allen Poe. Author, multi-drug user.
• Elvis Presley. Singer, FBI informer.
• Emperor Liu Chi-nu.
• Emperor Shen-Nung.
• Ernest Hemmingway. Author.
• Errol Flynn.
• Fela Kuti. Musician. Afro/jazz king.
• Felix Dennis. Publisher.
• Fitz Hugh Ludlow.
• Fran Healey. Musician; Travis.
• Francis Ford Coppella.
• Francis Rabelais.
• Francis Wilkinson. Ex Chief Constable of Gwent Police.
• Fredreich Nietzshe.
• Ganesh - Hindu God.
• Gary Johnson.
• Gene Krupa.
• George Clinton. Ex President's brother.
• George W Bush. Possibly the greatest living hypocrite.
• George Gurdjieff.
• George Melly. Jazz musician (early sponsor of Legalise Cannabis Campaign, Uk).
• George Michael. Singer.
• George Washington.
• George Soros.
• Gerard de Nerval.
• Gilberto Gil. Brazilian musical icon.
• The Greatful Dead.
• Hasan I-Sabah.
• Heinrich Khunrath.
• Helen Petrova Blavatsky.
• Henri Michaux.
• Herman Hesse.
• Hiero the Second.
• Howard Marks. Author, cannabis smuggller.
• Howard Stern, Admitted it on the radio.
• Hua T'o.
• Hunter S. Thompson. Smoked weed and snorted coke with George Bush.
• Ian Botham. Convicted Cricket legend.
• Irvine Welsh.
• Kurt Cobain.
• Jabir Ibn el-Hayyan.
• Jack Herer. Author 'The Emporor Wears No Cloths'
• Jack Kerouac. Author ' On the Road'.
• Jack Nicholson. Film actor.
• Jackie Gleason.
• Jackson Pollock.
• Jane Fonda. Actress.
• James Brown. Singer, song writer.
• Janis Joplin. Singer, song writer.
• Jesse 0Ventura.
• Jerry Lee Lewis. Musician, song writer.
• Jimmy Dorsey.
• Jimmy Hendrix. Rock guitarist, singe, song writer
• Jim Morrison. Musician, songwriter; The Doors.
• Joan of Arc. Accused of using 'witch herbs' (another name for cannabis).
• Joan Rivers.
• Joe Strummer. Musician, singer, songer writer; The Clash.
• John Belushi.
• John Denver.
• John F Kennedy. Popular US president (assassinated).
• John Keats. Poet.
• John Lennon. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
• John Le Mesurier. Tried it but said it's not for him.
• Johnny Cash.
• John Peel. DJ, BBC broadcaster.
• John Sinclair.
• Judge John L. Kane. Chief Judge from the US District Court
• Julie Christie. Actress.
• Jules Verne.
• John Wayne. 'I tried it once but it didn't do anything to me.'
• Kelsey Grammar.
• Ken Livingston. Mayor of London - supports decriminalisation but does not smoke or support the use of recreational drugs.
• Kirk Douglas. Actor.
• Kurt Cobain.
• Larry Adler. Harmonica player and
friend of George Gershwin. May have written a song about it.
• Lenny Bruce. Comedian.
• Lewis Carroll. Author 'Alice in Wonderland'.
• Linda St Clair
• Little Richard. Musician.
• Lord Avebury.
• Lord Byron. Poet.
• Lord Deedes.
• Lord Tony Gifford. QC, civil rights lawyer.
• Louis Armstrong. 'Oh what a wonderful world'.
• Louis Hebert.
• Mark Thomas . Comedian.
• Marlon Brando. Actor.
• Martin Sheen.
• Mary Shelly. Author 'Frankinstein'.
• Mary Tyler Moore.
• Mick Jagger. Singer, song writer, The Rolling Stones.
• Michael Mansfield QC. Lawyer.
• Jade Jagger.
• JC 100. Fastest rapper in the west.
• JT Moore. Legendary white rasta guitarist.
• Mike Tyson.
• Miles Davis. Jazz/rock drummer.
• Mo Mowlan. Genuine honest politician.
• Modigliani. Sculptor.
• Montgomery Clift. Mentioned in his biography.
• Neil Diamond.
• Nick Hornby. Author.
• Niel Young. Musician.
• Norman Mailer. Author.
• Oasis. Rock band.
• Oliver Stone.
• Oscar Wilde. Poet.
• Pablo Picasso. Artist.
• Pancho Villa. Mexican bandit revolutionary.
• Paul Flynn. Uk Member of Parliament.
• Paul McCartney. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
• Paul Simon. Musician, song writer.
• Pharoahs of Egypt. Traces in body samples.
• Phil Donohue.
• Phil Tufnell. Former test cricketer, now media celeb.
• Peter Fonda. Actor; 'Easy Rider'.
• Peter Sellers. Actor, comedian.
• Peter Tosh. Musician.
• Philip K. Dick. Science fiction author.
• Pierre Burton.
• Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
• Pink Floyd; Syd Barret and Roger Waters.
• Prince Charles. Heir to the Throne. Quoted while visiting a hospital; 'I understand cannabis is good for medical use' .
• Prince William.
• Prince Harry.
• Pythagoras.
• Queen Arnegunde.
• Queen Victoria. Used it for medical purposes.
• Ram Dass.
• Ray Charles. Musician.
• Rev Kenneth Leech.
• Richard Branson. 'Virgin'. Entreprenur.
• Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist, founder of quantum electrodynamics.
• Richard Prior.
• Richard Wilson. Actor; 'One Foot in the Grave'.
• Rimbaud. Author.
• Robert Burns. Mentioned it in a poem.
• Robert 'King' Carter. Grower.
• Robert Anton Wilson. Author.
• Robert Mitchum. Jailed 90 days for possession of marijuana, 1949.
• Roger McGough. 60's liverpool poet.
• Rolling Stones. Rock band.
• Ronnie Scot. Jazz club owner, musician, busted on stage 1958, at his club in Soho, London.
• S Club 7. 'Super clean' pop band, busted in Soho, very embarrassing.
• Salvador Dali. Artist.
• Samuel Beckett.
• Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Poet.
• Shen Nung. One of the fathers of Chinese medicine. 2700 B.C .
• Sinead O'Connor. Singer.
• Sidi-Hidi.
• Sigmun Freud. Shrink.
• Sonny Bono.
• Super Furry Animals. Welsh band who wrote a song about Howard Marks.
• Stephen King.
• Sting/Gordon Sumners.
• Tariq Ali. Activist Writer.
• Tenessee Williams. Author.
• Terence McKenna. Author.
• Terry Gilliam. Actor, comedian;Monty Python.
• The Who. Rock band.
• Thelonius Monk.
• Thomas Jefferson.
• Timothy Leary.
• Tom Lehrer.
• Top Tories. Senior members of the shadow cabinet.
• Tony Elliot. Publisher, 'Time Out.
• Tracy Blevins. Artist.
• Tuppy Gore.
• UB40. Band.
• Victor Hugo.
• Vincent Van Gogh. Artist.
• Walt Disney. Cartoonist.
• Walter Benjamin.
• Whitney Houstonn. Busted at Hawaii airport but ran away.
• William Burroughs. Author, poet, artist.
• Will Self. Author. Did smack on Blairs plane.
• William Shakespeare. Playwright.
• William Straw. UK Home Sec Jack Straw's son. Cautioned for supplying undercover journalists in pub 'shocker'.
• Willie Nelson.
• Winston Churchill. British Prime Minister, poet, artist & multi drug user.
• Woody Harrelson. Actor. Features in a book on growing medical marijua

I'm not sure if these people would credit smoking weed for their success or they're productivity.

The bottom line is most people will not have many or any apparent, negative, side effects but there is plenty of evidence that some do suffer greatly from marijuana use.

Charlie Sheen casts a shadow on your list.

I wonder if they have a former weed smoker's forum somewhere. Nothing like the voice of experience. One of those forums has to have a Patick Johnson on one of them. :grin:

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Many States have PASSED MEDICAL Marijuana LAWS allowing some people with Medical Problems to get POT for “MEDICAL PURPOSES”.

Many of the States that have adopted these Medical Pot Laws are now suffering the problem associated with Medical Marijuana. Montana is a good example. More DUI ARREST INVOLVING POT, or should I say Medical Pot are happening. MY buddy is a Snow bird from the Big Sky Country, and Ex City Councilman who know first hand the problems. He was on the City Council, and say the POT RELATED CRIME RATE CLIME.

The problem I see with MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE MEDICAL Marijuana CARDS, is they have NO REAL MEDICAL NEED, and ARE IMHO Just using the LAW to Smoke Marijuana without repercussions.

The last time I was down to the VA Hospital for a Clinic Appointment there was a Kid with a Sandwich Board sign Advertising a Medical Marijuana Clinic a few blocks from the VAMC Hospital were you could go and get a POT CARD.

The funny part was the Sign Advertised VETERAN DISCOUNTS, so I ask the guy if I want to go see the Pot Doc. for a Prescription for my KNEE PAIN should I bring my Medical Records, X-Ray Reports, and MRI Reports showing I have a Torn Meniscus, Baker Cyst, and BAD ARTHRITIS in my KNEE.

He said that would NOT BE NECESSARY, but be sure to bring the $150.00 FEE to see what I will call the POT DOCTOR, and get a POT CARD! NO I DID NOT TAKE HIM UP ON THE OFFER.

BUT DID REPLY DOES YOU MOM KNOW WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING? HE REPLIED MY MOM IS THE CLINIC OWNER.

Now let me say many years ago I work for a Physician who was a Specialist in Pulmonary Diseases, and he gave a lecture on the REAL MEDICAL USES of POT, or if you wish to call it Marijuana.

Glaucoma patients benefit from Marijuana use in some cases, Asthmatics patients benefit from Marijuana use in some cases, Cancer patients benefit from Marijuana use in some cases.

Medical Marijuana for REAL MEDICAL Problem is beneficial in some cases. I will agree with that 110%

But IMHO in many case Medical Marijuana is nothing but a Legal Way to Buy, to Smoke, or Grow POT to escape reality.

Marijuana is a DRUG, like Nicotine, Alcohol, etc., but Marijuana is still illegal under federal law.

 

[Big Perm]

To the OP, good for you......sounds like you made a decision about something you wanted a change and you are better for it.....

Regarding this whole pot thing......whether it's pot, other drugs, copenhagen, alcohol, cigarrettes, or even chocolate.....if you can enjoy life with our without it, cool......if you can moderate your intake and go without for a period with zero effect or withdrawal, then more power to you and you own your own decisions......if you NEED it and cannot go without it, then it owns you.....do what you want, but be aware of who is in charge......

 

[Fatboy]

never smoked weed once, never will. however i do believe it should be legal.

 

[Oregonmeds]

Many States have PASSED MEDICAL Marijuana LAWS allowing some people with Medical Problems to get POT for “MEDICAL PURPOSES”.

Many of the States that have adopted these Medical Pot Laws are now suffering the problem associated with Medical Marijuana. Montana is a good example. More DUI ARREST INVOLVING POT, or should I say Medical Pot are happening. MY buddy is a Snow bird from the Big Sky Country, and Ex City Councilman who know first hand the problems. He was on the City Council, and say the POT RELATED CRIME RATE CLIME.

The problem I see with MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE MEDICAL Marijuana CARDS, is they have NO REAL MEDICAL NEED, and ARE IMHO Just using the LAW to Smoke Marijuana without repercussions.

The last time I was down to the VA Hospital for a Clinic Appointment there was a Kid with a Sandwich Board sign Advertising a Medical Marijuana Clinic a few blocks from the VAMC Hospital were you could go and get a POT CARD.

The funny part was the Sign Advertised VETERAN DISCOUNTS, so I ask the guy if I want to go see the Pot Doc. for a Prescription for my KNEE PAIN should I bring my Medical Records, X-Ray Reports, and MRI Reports showing I have a Torn Meniscus, Baker Cyst, and BAD ARTHRITIS in my KNEE.

He said that would NOT BE NECESSARY, but be sure to bring the $150.00 FEE to see what I will call the POT DOCTOR, and get a POT CARD! NO I DID NOT TAKE HIM UP ON THE OFFER.

BUT DID REPLY DOES YOU MOM KNOW WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING? HE REPLIED MY MOM IS THE CLINIC OWNER.

Now let me say many years ago I work for a Physician who was a Specialist in Pulmonary Diseases, and he gave a lecture on the REAL MEDICAL USES of POT, or if you wish to call it Marijuana.

Glaucoma patients benefit from Marijuana use in some cases, Asthmatics patients benefit from Marijuana use in some cases, Cancer patients benefit from Marijuana use in some cases.

Medical Marijuana for REAL MEDICAL Problem is beneficial in some cases. I will agree with that 110%

But IMHO in many case Medical Marijuana is nothing but a Legal Way to Buy, to Smoke, or Grow POT to escape reality.

Marijuana is a DRUG, like Nicotine, Alcohol, etc., but Marijuana is still illegal under federal law.

Is a pot "dui" actually crime though? Technically yes, but in reality I can tell you from first hand experience it's not the evil it's cracked up to be, neither is driving on low amounts of alcohol. We just have an alarmist public who's fed a steady died of propaganda who THINK that busting ever person in the world for driving on any amount of alcohol or pot or prescription medicine is a wise response.

It's not. 1.5 million plus dui's are handed out a year in this country now due to lower and lower limits going well into social levels of drinking and they aren't doing one damn thing to stop the real problem which is truly DRUNK ass mofo's running people down while they are stumblind down drunk.

Your "pot crime" is a crock. If someone were falling down stoned then sure, that's a dui. I bet you could count all those on one hand. For most people the worse thing it'll make them do is drive more carefully and miss their exits.

Aside from that anyone with so much as a headache should have the right to take that pain away and you shouldn't need a medical card to relieve your pain or have to pay the state or a doctor.

 

[Mitchxout]

never smoked weed once, never will. however i do believe it should be legal.

It's prohibition, plain and simple. Hemp is one of the greatest products on Earth, but it's also illegal. During our founding fathers' time, it was illegal to not grow hemp. During WW2, prohibition on hemp was suspended because of our lack of resources.

Marijuana became illegal because of hemp in 1937. Thanks to the introduction of Dupont's synthetic fibers and Hearst's lumber holdings. Making marijuana illegal at the same time was Hearst's idea because he was a racist and hated Mexicans. Also, black jazz musicians were known pot smokers, so the juke joints became easy targets. However, the law was primarily passed to eradicate hemp, not marijuana.

Our gov't started a scare campaign using movies like Reefer Madness. They not only demonized marijuana, but they refered to it as hemp. The confusion persists to this day.

 

[Oregonmeds]

the fact that long term pot smoking causes impotence should be enough of a deterrent not to smoke it ... lol

You're joking right, please tell us that LOL means you know this is bull.

I just have to ask because there is so much bull going around about it that you never do know what propaganda has been sunk into peoples heads enough to make them think it's true...

And to the other guy who said weed these days is much stronger than weed from the past and therefore not so safe or whatever, that's just some of the latest propaganda and also completely bullshit. As someone else said there have always been amazingly strong strains some even stronger than we have today. The only difference between then and now is more of the better strains are available than as much of the seedy cheap shwag stuff.

Nothing is perfect folks, pot didn't make me one bit smarter or better at anything but it's also not the demon weed some would like to make it out to be. Try not to parrot propaganda and just the facts.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Is a pot "dui" actually crime though? Technically yes, but in reality I can tell you from first hand experience it's not the evil it's cracked up to be, neither is driving on low amounts of alcohol. We just have an alarmist public who's fed a steady died of propaganda who THINK that busting ever person in the world for driving on any amount of alcohol or pot or prescription medicine is a wise response.

It's not. 1.5 million plus dui's are handed out a year in this country now due to lower and lower limits going well into social levels of drinking and they aren't doing one damn thing to stop the real problem which is truly DRUNK ass mofo's running people down while they are stumblind down drunk.

Your "pot crime" is a crock. If someone were falling down stoned then sure, that's a dui. I bet you could count all those on one hand. For most people the worse thing it'll make them do is drive more carefully and miss their exits.

Aside from that anyone with so much as a headache should have the right to take that pain away and you shouldn't need a medical card to relieve your pain or have to pay the state or a doctor.

TELL OUR SHERIFF!!!!

Sheriff Joe will not return pot to card-holding patients at his jails

by Alicia E. Barrón

azfamily.com

Posted on August 31, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Updated Wednesday, Aug 31 at 10:16 PM

PHOENIX – Sheriff Joe Arpaio is putting his foot down when it comes to returning marijuana to medical marijuana card holders when they are released from his jails.

On Wednesday the sheriff made a policy decision, saying those arrested by Maricopa County deputies for a criminal violation who are also medical marijuana patients will not be given their product back upon their release.

Arpaio says marijuana is contraband and that is why he decided not to store the drugs for other police agencies when someone is arrested.

The sheriff says he is aware of rulings in other states that may later make it a requirement for his officers to return medical marijuana to card-carrying patients but will not allow that until a local judge issues an order.

“Some courts in other states have ruled that defendants are entitled to a return of their controlled substances per the Medical Marijuana Act but until my hand is forced, they won’t be getting it back from my deputies,” Sheriff Joe said. “Possession of marijuana is still a federal felony as far I am aware and my deputies aren’t going to violate federal law.”

GO JOE OOH RAH​

 

[GoldCrown]

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[KMRUNOUT]

I could care less if he the guy smokes pot or not.

Good thing there's no shortage of compassion in this country...

I care about someone preaching what others should do based on just their experiences.

You think he should relate the experiences of others instead? Isn't first hand experience more valuable? Why do you call it preaching? He just told how it is for him. You seem to already get that, but not realize that you already get that.

There was no need to come on here and make that post other than to preach the evils of weed.

You don't recognize the double standard you are taking? You are saying that you know better than he does what he needs to do. Also, you are saying that you know exactly *why* he made his post. How do you know? You are speculating, and coming off as extremely defensive. Don't let mom find out you smoke weed lol.

His experiences with smoking pot do not match what mine have been and what others have been.

Sounds like a great reason to disregard his post and move on with your life. His experiences don't have to match *anyone* else's. That's the beauty of a world where each person is unique and individual. He is simply *relating* his experience. You don't have to agree.

Do you want me to come on here and start preaching that everyone needs to smoke pot because I find it of benefit? That there would be world peace if everyone got stone and had some rocky road ice cream.

If you truly believed that people would benefit from doing things as you say, I would certainly hope you would share this opinion. I would read your post, and probably disregard it because it would sound ridiculous to me. The world peace would last until society began to stop being productive collectively. It would be a sad state of affairs. Again this shows a double standard. If its good for you, it must be good for all. But then you criticize him for taking the same stance.

And to the heart if he really thinks it was the pot, he's got a long way to go until he understands the why behind smoking. It is the why someone smokes, drinks, that is important and not the what.

Excellent point. Too bad your post wasn't limited to this useful idea. But of course you can say whatever you like.


KMRUNOUT

 

[KMRUNOUT]

If weed helps people who have illnesses or pain, damn the law and burn one. If one smokes weed to get high, I say each to his own.

I think this thread is serving a good purpose to the pool community and beyond and hope that discussions like this will continue. It's my opinion that there are some people who will suffer greatly from the use of marijuana, while others may appear to not suffer at all and even others who would swear on a stack of bibles that it helps them cope in life and that they are perfectly fine, productive, healthy human beings (and they might be right).

It appears that marijuana can exacerbate a person's mental problems regardless of the severity of the mental problems.

I would be curious about having a list of the pros and cons of Marijuana use. I know FOR SOME, there are some serious benefits to using weed. FOR OTHERS, there are some serious downsides and most likely FOR THE MAJORITY of partakers, there are few life threatening side affects.

Excellent post! I agree completely. How could anyone not?

KMRUNOUT

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Possible, yes, probable, no.

I really don't think you have any concept of how much pot a 100 lbs is. I smoke heavily, and don't smoke 2 oz a month. (1 1/2 lbs a year)

Either that, or you are 110 yrs old. Please go back a few posts...see......'exaggerate'.




Didn't seem to slow these guys down to much...

• Abbie Hoffman
• Abraham Lincoln.
• Al Gore.
• etc...

Don't they say like 40 million people play pool every year in this country? Are there really 40 million "pool players" in this country?

You think the people on your list at one time or another smoked weed, or were "weed smokers".

see......'exaggerate'.

KMRUNOUT

 

[Purdman]

If anyone thinks the weed today is better than the weed back in the 60's and 70's, they are talking out of their ignorant arse! I guarentee that boys.
Don

Did I say I'm Pro Choice!

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Blah, blah, blah, pot, blah, clean, blah blah , so good to be alive, choke, cough, gag.
In the meantime the two most addictive and destructive products are purchased and used daily by millions. Alcohol and cigarettes.
If you want to play high, I'm all for it. Just please double the bet.
The amounts of threads on AZ that have little or no reference to any intelligent pool discussion is astounding.

Alcohol most addictive? Check that one out...there are substances that almost instantly create a dependency...alcohol isn't one of them.

Also, remember that it is up to the intelligent to discern the value of the things they experience, like these forums...if you don't see any value here, and don't see the relation to pool...well, ahem...

KMRUNOUT

 

[KMRUNOUT]

I enjoyed reading that article Rick. It gives a different slant to this subject but I don't think it's fair to compare marijuana with cocaine and heroin.

This article's slant on the innocuousness of marijuana is misleading. I like your views on smoking weed and respect them.

Maybe we should make a list of the pros and cons of smoking weed and filter out the ones which are witch hunts . There's enough of that crap going on already.

I'm just curious how the list would look.

Joey,

Your post makes me both happy and sad. Happy to see that there really are people who are intelligent in this world, and interested in finding the truth. Sad that it reminds me how few there are.

Great post again,

KMRUNOUT