Cali
I need your computer savvy.....
Please check my post #49 in this thread...
I'm scratching my head over this one....
regards
pt..<..who thinks Cali does a lot for this game
Pics of the "Fatboy" Rails and Pockets for TAR 21. Yeah they are a wee bit tight.
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I need your computer savvy.....
Please check my post #49 in this thread...
I'm scratching my head over this one....
regards
pt..<..who thinks Cali does a lot for this game
If you're able to run racks of Rotation on a table that tight, you are a damn good player. I just came from Rotation country and even Efren, Francisco and Ronnie Alcano have trouble running racks on softer tables.
I had 4" Ernesto pockets on my table for a while. The table played tough, no doubt!
It now has 4.25" pockets and plays tougher then when they were 4". The cut is the same as Diamonds new design. They now spit out more balls than before.
SVB and Alex will have no problem running out on the TAR table. I played on Eric's table with those rails and it wasn't an issue.
It now has 4.25" pockets and plays tougher then when they were 4". The cut is the same as Diamonds new design. They now spit out more balls than before.
SVB and Alex will have no problem running out on the TAR table. I played on Eric's table with those rails and it wasn't an issue.
Well, I don't think a handful in 3 or 4 hours is anything to brag about. Just making the point that a table that allows rotation racks to be ran is a fair table IMO, since you usually have to shoot some caroms and combos in that game, and often can't use pocket speed to acquire position. I don't expect shane and alex to have any trouble with the table in question, but I guess we'll see.
Aaron
If you took a minute away from talking about yourself you might see some of the stuff Cali has done.
I wonder if anyone at Diamond is considering building a special TAR table? Less say 10 by 5 foot with 4.25 corners and 5 inch sides. Could you imagine the expertise it would take a mechanic to set up. Man the would be something. You could sure use Earl's cue on that table. :thumbup:
If a world class, top 10 professional on the planet who is normally loose and used to getting into the flow cannot manage it on this table it is because they have become far too acustomed to far too easy conditions for their level of the sport. If all of that loose and flowing game vanishes and they are unable to use it then they need to practice more on tight equipment. After all, Ronnie O'Sullivan has no problem being loose and flowing around the snooker table and running centuries despite the fact that the table he plays on is 3 feet longer and the pockets way smaller relative to ball sizethen even this table. Running out the colors in a snooker table, even when they are not in the normal spots, is not something that he, Drago, Mark Sullivan, Higgins, and all of the other top pro snooker players have trouble doing.
Pools problem is we have had it too easy for too long and the pros in our sport have not been adequetly tested on proper difficulty equipment. IF the pros played on tables exactly like this one for the next 2 years this is how it would go...
Tournament 1: The pros would tighten up, they would be a little perplexed, some of the flashy players who flow would realize they are not actually accurate enough to do so and have to bear down.
Months 1-6: This would be the learning stage, the players would start practicing on tables like this knowing that this is what is now the standard of their profession. Some would pick up on it and get more comfortable with it as they start shooting in thousands of shots in practice and re-learning "where the pocket is" on the new equipment.
Month 6-18: By this time some players are getting comfortable with the new pocket size, their games which might have been loose start to work back to their old state although now with built in accuracy improvements and probably more controlled straighter strokes. By this point we start to see that players who we once all thought were bunched up at the top as "the best players in the world" actually had levels within that group, we could just not see them. Some of the "top pros" are shown to be about 10-15 in the world according to the new game and there are players who have managed to clearly show they are in the top 3 players on the planet. Something pool has not actually been able to do for a long, long time.
Month 24: The game is being played at a level not seen in pool in decades, likely not seen since the change from 10-foot tables in the era of straight pool played on slow nap cloth. The top player in the world is becomming clear, he is now winning far more tournaments then he was before because the break factor and luck has been diminished to a huge degree. The pros are now more impressive then ever, they are running racks on tables that the average player has trouble making 3 consecutive balls on, now when the fans watch pros playing they KNOW that the pro is doing something special, instead of watching the pro's play on tables that they themselves have run an occasional 4 or 5 pack on. Pool also starts to gain huge amounts more respect from the snooker fans and the snooker community and we start to get some cross viewing, with the new tables and pockets the game is now seen as comparable in the cue sport world to snooker, instead of the "easy by comparison" bastard cousin of snooker.
On a one off event like this they might look tight, but that is not the tables fault, the players are simply not used to playing on tables that should in fact be the norm. IF they played on tables exactly like this all the time they would play extremely well on them.
And if YOU and Cali took a minute to take a look at what I've done, you'll realize it's not bragging to try and raise the standard of how pool tables play, and who works on them, no different than what Diamond has done. So why is it that when someone finally steps up to the plate to bring about some of these needed changes, and bring awayness to them, people like you, and everyone else like you...try your best to call it bragging, instead of what it really is, educating the public, the players, and the room owners, that there is a better way of working on their pool tables, all they have to do...is demand it! After all Justin, what is it you're doing, if not bringing awareness to the public as to what the level of "Professional" pool is all about?...or are you just "bragging" about your "TAR" streams, and want paid for them as an end result.
In the first post you could have just came right out and said you were using Fatboy's rails, that is unless you felt that the use if his rails built by me to play the way they do, would take away from your GREATNESS in promoting, and streaming "TAR" matches.
Glen
If your ego was a pool ball, those pockets would be waaaaaaay too tight.
Something is very wrong here.
..either your tape measure is wrong....
..or the balls shown here are -one & seven/eighth inches diameter
two regulation pool balls are -four & one/half diameter
are you sure this table is on the right planet?[/QUOTE]
lol ya i staged an elaborate scheme just for you... whatever
like i said the table is 40 years old and has the original rails, the balls are super aramith pro's ( you know the 1 7/8 inchers )
the table is a 8 foot fischer, no matter the old school vs. new school school of thought is this table will keep you honest
anyways enough of this back on topic :thumbup:
..either your tape measure is wrong....
..or the balls shown here are -one & seven/eighth inches diameter
two regulation pool balls are -four & one/half diameter
are you sure this table is on the right planet?[/QUOTE]
lol ya i staged an elaborate scheme just for you... whatever
like i said the table is 40 years old and has the original rails, the balls are super aramith pro's ( you know the 1 7/8 inchers )
the table is a 8 foot fischer, no matter the old school vs. new school school of thought is this table will keep you honest
anyways enough of this back on topic :thumbup:
the balls are super aramith pro's ( you know the 1 7/8 inchers )
Shouldn't they be 2.25"?
Can you quit pissing in my threads now?
Something is very wrong here.
..either your tape measure is wrong....
..or the balls shown here are -one & seven/eighth inches diameter
two regulation pool balls are -four & one/half diameter
are you sure this table is on the right planet?
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lol ya i staged an elaborate scheme just for you... whatever
like i said the table is 40 years old and has the original rails, the balls are super aramith pro's ( you know the 1 7/8 inchers )
the table is a 8 foot fischer, no matter the old school vs. new school school of thought is this table will keep you honest
anyways enough of this back on topic :thumbup:
You measured the pocket wrong.
The measurement is taken at the front pocket opening (the pocket tits) and not in the back of the pocket (the throat). Your pocket openings look to be roughly 5" pockets, which makes them huge buckets.
The table SVB and Alex are using won't even fit 2 balls that deep in the throat of the pocket.
Eric
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Just show some respect Justin, that's all you have to do, there IS others involved in this industry besides you
I have to agree with you. Regulations are regulations & for a reason.
They don't make basketball hoops smaller for the Final Four, raise the fences in the World Series or make the football weigh 25 pounds for the Super Bowl.
However, there are folks that would do this. We have a beautiful Kling Snooker table that we play Golf on. Some moron butchered the rails to make pocketing the balls difficult at best. You cannot run a ball down the rail. He didn't do anything except make the game easier to win for a few select "shot makers extraordinaire". Reminds me of our government that spares no loopholes for the rich, while the rest of us pay our taxes without deductions. I will still play on this table, because I like to competition. Do I like it... NO. Would I change it... YES, just a little.
I agree the playing field is used by all contestants, but the difficulty of play is only experienced by player that might still be "in the hunt", except for that one shot, where the pocket spit the object ball out. While the player that enjoys the "fortunes of luck" in a game, may laugh inside at a miss that went.
People are funny in what they see as Justice or Fun.. That's why they make chocolate & vanilla.
They don't make basketball hoops smaller for the Final Four, raise the fences in the World Series or make the football weigh 25 pounds for the Super Bowl.
However, there are folks that would do this. We have a beautiful Kling Snooker table that we play Golf on. Some moron butchered the rails to make pocketing the balls difficult at best. You cannot run a ball down the rail. He didn't do anything except make the game easier to win for a few select "shot makers extraordinaire". Reminds me of our government that spares no loopholes for the rich, while the rest of us pay our taxes without deductions. I will still play on this table, because I like to competition. Do I like it... NO. Would I change it... YES, just a little.
I agree the playing field is used by all contestants, but the difficulty of play is only experienced by player that might still be "in the hunt", except for that one shot, where the pocket spit the object ball out. While the player that enjoys the "fortunes of luck" in a game, may laugh inside at a miss that went.
People are funny in what they see as Justice or Fun.. That's why they make chocolate & vanilla.
wow, you're just to cool cleary, all mouth and no ass to back it up!
Just show some respect Justin, that's all you have to do, there IS others involved in this industry besides you
I think the reason he doesn't show you respect is that he doesn't respect you. It seems like you clearly respect yourself enough to overcome that minor rejection, after all you can't please all the people all the time. Are you really planning on coming into every thread he mentions that words "pool table" in and harass him? Do you really think that will get him to respect you? Seems like a self-defeating strategy to me, but good luck with that.
Kevin
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Weird how a simple post about the pocket size for the upcoming SVB/Alex event turned into a discussion of...
* Earl's behavior,
* how some guy measured his table incorrectly,
* how some people give more to the industry than others,
* how a valley bartable with 4" pockets does not impede position play,
* how pool will never get the respect golf enjoys,
* how self-promotion is equivalent to motivating the industry,
* how Calired needs to get off his ass & do more for the industry (LOL),
* how JCIN is disrespectful (LOL),
* are pool balls 1-7/8" or 2-1/4"? Poor photo's do that.
* how we shouldn't cut the arms off boxers,
* how different boxing styles compare,
* how the IPT gave Sigel an inherent advantage,
* how young guys like SVB like Diamond tables, old farts like Archer like Gold Crowns
* Earl's behavior,
* how some guy measured his table incorrectly,
* how some people give more to the industry than others,
* how a valley bartable with 4" pockets does not impede position play,
* how pool will never get the respect golf enjoys,
* how self-promotion is equivalent to motivating the industry,
* how Calired needs to get off his ass & do more for the industry (LOL),
* how JCIN is disrespectful (LOL),
* are pool balls 1-7/8" or 2-1/4"? Poor photo's do that.
* how we shouldn't cut the arms off boxers,
* how different boxing styles compare,
* how the IPT gave Sigel an inherent advantage,
* how young guys like SVB like Diamond tables, old farts like Archer like Gold Crowns