Well put I couldn't agree with you more.
Better equipment, shafts, Tips, and Kamui Chalk, but the 526 RUN RECORDS Stands?
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Well put I couldn't agree with you more.
TheThaiger
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Better equipment now, but maybe better gear then?
Settle down now kitty....:thumbup:
Exactly what I was thinking, plus I almost think an eight footer could be more difficult than a niner because of congestion.
Try running a three pack of eight ball on a six foot cracker box bar table.
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I was told the same thing by some locals, and more knowledgeable members on AZ corrected me. Someone here cited which ball Mosconi shot and missed.
Maybe it's because I'm Young and naive, but i just don't think Mosconi would have any chance in competition today. Sure He was a great player and a lot of people consider him to have been the best Player in history, but to say that players today aren't capable of breaking his run on the same table just doesn't make sense. I've played on tight pocket tables and tables that have buckets for pockets and the ability to play is exponentially easier on the big pockets. It's not just about the ability to pocket the balls but with bigger pockets shape becomes much easier, and it's a lot easier to set up break outs on clusters when you can cheat a pocket more.
Depends, however from what I have been told and read about Willes 9 ball game, he picked the racks apart a few balls at a time. I would think that style of play would not create congestion on the table,
When you can pocket balls center hole, it does not matter if the pockets are 5.25 or 4.25
I think Willie playing straight pool today would do just fine. The only thing he would have to get used to on todays equipment is the speed of the cloth and rails, and less area in the pocket that he could use to cheat for creating angles.
As far as players today breaking his record, there is no physical reason why it cannot happen, they have the tools. It is a matter of interest and desire.
I think Willie playing straight pool today would do just fine. The only thing he would have to get used to on todays equipment is the speed of the cloth and rails, and less area in the pocket that he could use to cheat for creating angles.
As far as players today breaking his record, there is no physical reason why it cannot happen, they have the tools. It is a matter of interest and desire.
Poor Engert...no one gives him credit for his 492 on a 9'.
Did anyone know that Min-Wai Chin claims over 500?
Did anyone know that Min-Wai Chin claims over 500?
LOL
Some of the comments here still beg the question though, why doesn't a player who is supposedly capable of doing this without too much of a problem just put an 8 footer in his garage with huge pockets (ie similar to the mosconi conditions), set up a video camera, and be "one of the greatest players ever."
This record is akin to Maris' 61 home runs, this isn't just some little record that would go unnoticed if a guy broke it. There would be all sorts of benefits to breaking it, monetary and otherwise.
If lack of motivation/desire is the reason, then so be it. To me, that means they can't do it. I personally was especially put off by Schimdt's comments on this subject. He pretty much said "we'd break this easily if we were playing straight pool." I have a big problem with comments like that.... either do it or keep your mouth shut. I just can't get past the aspect where if somebody does it they'd be remembered forever, yet players say "I could do it no problem," and then they proceed NOT to do it. Sorry, just rubs me wrong.
Anyway, just my opinion.
This record is akin to Maris' 61 home runs, this isn't just some little record that would go unnoticed if a guy broke it. There would be all sorts of benefits to breaking it, monetary and otherwise.
If lack of motivation/desire is the reason, then so be it. To me, that means they can't do it. I personally was especially put off by Schimdt's comments on this subject. He pretty much said "we'd break this easily if we were playing straight pool." I have a big problem with comments like that.... either do it or keep your mouth shut. I just can't get past the aspect where if somebody does it they'd be remembered forever, yet players say "I could do it no problem," and then they proceed NOT to do it. Sorry, just rubs me wrong.
Anyway, just my opinion.
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That would be like saying Sam Snead or Bobby Jones couldn't play golf.
I Dont think money or prize has anything to do with it !!!!
I know at a little event in vegas this past year there was a 20k bounty on the run and no one even came close. we also had a bounty on the run at the Fury 14.1 Challenge at Super Billiards Expo with the same result....But you know what, everyone is still trying to do it. and thats great news for 14.1
-Steve
I know at a little event in vegas this past year there was a 20k bounty on the run and no one even came close. we also had a bounty on the run at the Fury 14.1 Challenge at Super Billiards Expo with the same result....But you know what, everyone is still trying to do it. and thats great news for 14.1
-Steve
Yeah, Steve, but your bounty in those two events was for the run on Diamond tables, and I would not expect the record to be broken, if at all, on a Diamond.
Very True Dennis !!!!
There would still be a few problems: Mosconi did it in public -- not locked up in a basement or garage with perfect conditions. Mosconi just walked in and did it on an unfamiliar table with folks watching and dealt with the conditions. One take.
So someone setups an eight-footer with big pockets under perfect conditions, gets used to the table, sets up a video camera and toils away at it for days, weeks, months, years until they finally get it. So what? Not the same. Not equal.
Mosconi traveled the country for years, walked into one strange pool room after another 300 days out of any given year and typically ran 100 balls or more at every stop. I saw it every time I had the opportunity to see him play and, to a man, everyone else who ever saw him play saw him do it. He was not locked up in a private room. No perfect conditions. No control of the a/c or heat, humidity, levelness of the table, music in the background, PA announcements, distractions of the crowd, endless hours to practice, or dozens and dozens of tries. He walked in, shot off two racks to warm up, and was ready to go. He'd play the local lamb a game to 125 and within the framework of *that one single game* he'd run a 100, or if he ran the game out and had not run 100 yet would turn to the crowd and ask, "Would you like to see a 100 ball run?" And then he'd do it, get in his car, and repeat that in the next town. Just think, if: every time he ran 100, he had just kept going? Who knows what the record might have ended up being.
I have watched a lot of s 14.1 over the years. And personally, none -- not a one-- of today's champs, great as they are, are his equal. None show the same level of skill, take a rack apart the way he did, or even just look as good at the table as he did. So if one day, as will inevitably happen, a player produces a video of a run breaking the record, you gotta ask the player: "Did you just walk in and do it?"
I'm betting not.
Lou Figueroa
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I don't think it's that easy. How many pros do you know that have a garage...or a video camera for that matter?
I think there have always been players that stroke as good as Willie.
...and Willie had far more opportunity to run balls...straight pool was far
more popular in his day.
But I don't think we have seen anybody yet to match Willie's MENTAL
STAMINA and PATTERN RECOGNITION.
Willie was a genius
...and Willie had far more opportunity to run balls...straight pool was far
more popular in his day.
But I don't think we have seen anybody yet to match Willie's MENTAL
STAMINA and PATTERN RECOGNITION.
Willie was a genius
I tend to agree.
And to Lou, I don't think it would be a "so what." If you ran 527+ balls with proof, I think there would be a lot of benefits and talk about it (eg weekend player says "he's the guy that broke the record"). So, considering the benefits, the fact that nobody has done it speaks to how difficult/unattainable it is. The real truth is, I bet many have already tried this (and tried harder than i'm sure most of us know), and all have failed.
What was mosconi's second highest run? Anybody know?
Oh, and to "easy-e".... I can think of many pros that do have a table and a video camera.... and can think of many more that could borrow a camera and get free time at places.
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It was a joke.