My 2 Cents On TAR 22 And Future TAR Matches

HawaiianEye

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Having read most, if not all, the threads relating to the TAR matchup between Earl and SVB, I will express a couple thoughts of my own on this match and future matches.

1. If I were the host of the match, I WOULD NOT tolerate ANY abuse of MY equipment (or playing establishment). You can get pissed all you want and go outside and wrap your stick around the nearest tree or launch it like a javelin into the dumpster, but you better NOT slam it against MY table or bounce the balls on the table, etc. I would stipulate this UP FRONT and have the players sign an agreement that ANY abuse of MY stuff is a “fineable” offense and a loss of the game or set in which the offense occurs. If a player’s expenses are “paid”, then take the “fine” out of their expense account if they get their undies in a bunch about it.

2. Abuse of the spectators…see rule #1.

3. Have a referee who CONTROLS the match…don’t let the players settle disputes amongst themselves. Don’t let the players complain about what is an “illegal” break, etc. Have set rules and have the referee enforce them. The matches are all recorded, so the ability to replay the “offense” should be no problem. You never see other sports where players determine what the outcome of a foul, error, etc is. FWIW, I think it is “candy ass” to complain about somebody breaking “softly” or about the Magic Rack etc. If you can’t break and achieve the same results of the better breaker, then take your ass to the pool hall and practice up…DON’T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT! (The same thing happened when oversized rackets came into tennis and when oversized drivers came into golf. If the other guy has something that is working and is kicking your ass with it, then do what he is doing and STFU!)

4. Have races/sets where the winner must win by a minimum of "XX" games ahead. When I go to a boxing match, I like to see a clear-cut “winner”, not go away with everyone disputing who the better boxer was.

5. Lastly, I keep hearing about Earl’s game going to “$hit”…has it crossed anyone’s mind that he may have just taken a “dump” for some “guaranteed” cash?
 
Regarding # 5. I certainly suppose that is possible. However, I'm not sure his pride would allow him to do that.
 
5. Lastly, I keep hearing about Earl’s game going to “$hit”…has it crossed anyone’s mind that he may have just taken a “dump” for some “guaranteed” cash?

Unless you have some specific reason to believe he dumped, you shouldn't even be saying this crap.
 
3. Have a referee who CONTROLS the match…don’t let the players settle disputes amongst themselves. Don’t let the players complain about what is an “illegal” break, etc. Have set rules and have the referee enforce them. The matches are all recorded, so the ability to replay the “offense” should be no problem. You never see other sports where players determine what the outcome of a foul, error, etc is. FWIW, I think it is “candy ass” to complain about somebody breaking “softly” or about the Magic Rack etc. If you can’t break and achieve the same results of the better breaker, then take your ass to the pool hall and practice up…DON’T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT! (The same thing happened when oversized rackets came into tennis and when oversized drivers came into golf. If the other guy has something that is working and is kicking your ass with it, then do what he is doing and STFU!)

A 1 on 1 pool tournament doesn't have a ref. You put your cash up and play. That's how it should be.

5. Lastly, I keep hearing about Earl’s game going to “$hit”…has it crossed anyone’s mind that he may have just taken a “dump” for some “guaranteed” cash?

This is complete bullsh*t and rather than just say you're an idiot like I want to, I'll explain. There would be absolutely no reason for Earl to dump. First of all, Earl was the underdog. An underdog doesn't dump... It wouldn't make any sense for an underdog to dump. You get odds on the underdog, you don't dump if you're getting odds. Second of all, no way in hell shane and earl had any kind of saver or chop. That's a fact. Gravity is a theory, but that my friend is a fact. Third, Earl was getting appearance fee money to play on the stream. He would have got a whoooooooole lot more if he would have won on top of that appearance fee. The free money was there win or lose, but the real money goes to the winner.

It's kinda like me asking you to play for $1000. Then I bet you $200 you wont play for $1000. Well, you're gettin $200 just for playing and if you win, you get an extra $1000. But instead you "dump" for your $200... and end up only losing $800. HAHAHAHA

A lot of people throw around that word "dump" a lot, but not everything is a dump. sometimes people dog it. Sometimes people don't have enough in the tank. Sometimes they get out played. And, like in this case, sometimes their crazy ass head gets in the way and they MELT DOWN.
 
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A 1 on 1 pool tournament doesn't have a ref. You put your cash up and play. That's how it should be.



This is complete bullsh*t and rather than just say you're an idiot like I want to, I'll explain. There would be absolutely no reason for Earl to dump. First of all, Earl was the underdog. An underdog doesn't dump... It wouldn't make any sense for an underdog to dump. You get odds on the underdog, you don't dump if you're getting odds. Second of all, no way in hell shane and earl had any kind of saver or chop. That's a fact. Gravity is a theory, but that my friend is a fact. Third, Earl was getting appearance fee money to play on the stream. He would have got a whoooooooole lot more if he would have won on top of that appearance fee. The free money was there win or lose, but the real money goes to the winner.

It's kinda like me asking you to play for $1000. Then I bet you $200 you wont play for $1000. Well, you're gettin $200 just for playing and if you win, you get an extra $1000. But instead you "dump" for your $200... and end up only losing $800. HAHAHAHA

A lot of people throw around that word "dump" a lot, but not everything is a dump. sometimes people dog it. Sometimes people don't have enough in the tank. Sometimes they get out played. And, like in this case, sometimes their crazy ass head gets in the way and they MELT DOWN.

I agree with you assessment of this particular match but if you really were to break down the situation - there's no reason an underdog couldn't throw a match. As a matter of fact, it would actually be much easier to fly under the radar as the underdog. You bet on the favorite - ABSOLUTELY knowing that the favorite is going to win. So what if you have to give up odds on the money. Even if you are giving up 2:1 on the money. If you put up 50K on the favorite you can come out ahead by throwing the match.

Am I missing something here? It's quite possible I am.

This is just for my own amusement - I'm in NO WAY insinuating that this is what happened.
 
Just to humor you...how do you 'not tolerate' it?

Kick the offending player out?

I worked in a pool hall from an early age up until I was a late teen and I was responsible for fixing the equipment and cues that were broken and I learned that abusing things that didn't belong to you cost the owners money.

We had signs posted on every wall that stated certain rules (no sitting on tables, no abuse of equipment, etc.) and we booted your ass out if we caught you abusing them. You may get by with a warning or two if the infraction was minor, but we didn't babysit your ass after that. We threw you out for a while or banned you forever.

I have NO PROBLEM booting people out who WILLINGLY CAN'T FOLLOW RULES! The contracts for these matches should be WRITTEN and the players' stake money put up front. If you do such-and-such infraction you will be FINED and the money comes out of the player's stake. If it happens on more than ONE occasion, the host has the right to continue fining you or boot your ass out altogether.

As far as the pay-per-view crowd, it is the same as a boxing match...if one of the fighters gets disqualified in the second round for low blows, that is too bad...you don't get your money back.

If you don't have rules and enforce them, then there is no need for rules. I'm not a stickler either way...have a "black tie" environment or a "cage match" where anything goes...but let everyone know what the situation is before it even begins.
 
5. Lastly, I keep hearing about Earl’s game going to “$hit”…has it crossed anyone’s mind that he may have just taken a “dump” for some “guaranteed” cash?

orly??????
 

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I agree with you assessment of this particular match but if you really were to break down the situation - there's no reason an underdog couldn't throw a match. As a matter of fact, it would actually be much easier to fly under the radar as the underdog. You bet on the favorite - ABSOLUTELY knowing that the favorite is going to win. So what if you have to give up odds on the money. Even if you are giving up 2:1 on the money. If you put up 50K on the favorite you can come out ahead by throwing the match.

Am I missing something here? It's quite possible I am.

This is just for my own amusement - I'm in NO WAY insinuating that this is what happened.

I see what you're saying but it also depends on what level of underdog you are. If you cannot win, you cannot dump. In this case, I can assure you that did not happen.

Earl doesn't just put on a show, he comes to win. For more than just money. He's a very proud person. He just simply had a meltdown.
 
You think you thought of this first?

Unless you have some specific reason to believe he dumped, you shouldn't even be saying this crap.

Ditto this, it shouldn't be said. This is a very serious charge. The reason it was not postulated before isn't because this guy is the only one smart enough to think of it. It is because there are things you just don't say.
 
I worked in a pool hall from an early age up until I was a late teen and I was responsible for fixing the equipment and cues that were broken and I learned that abusing things that didn't belong to you cost the owners money.

We had signs posted on every wall that stated certain rules (no sitting on tables, no abuse of equipment, etc.) and we booted your ass out if we caught you abusing them. You may get by with a warning or two if the infraction was minor, but we didn't babysit your ass after that. We threw you out for a while or banned you forever.

I have NO PROBLEM booting people out who WILLINGLY CAN'T FOLLOW RULES! The contracts for these matches should be WRITTEN and the players' stake money put up front. If you do such-and-such infraction you will be FINED and the money comes out of the player's stake. If it happens on more than ONE occasion, the host has the right to continue fining you or boot your ass out altogether.

As far as the pay-per-view crowd, it is the same as a boxing match...if one of the fighters gets disqualified in the second round for low blows, that is too bad...you don't get your money back.

If you don't have rules and enforce them, then there is no need for rules. I'm not a stickler either way...have a "black tie" environment or a "cage match" where anything goes...but let everyone know what the situation is before it even begins.

Yea, thats gonna go over real well. DQ Earl on the first day and not refund all of your pissed off customers. There will be a lynch mob in 15 min and nobody would pay for a PPV again. hmmmmm... great idea!
 
Yea, thats gonna go over real well. DQ Earl on the first day and not refund all of your pissed off customers. There will be a lynch mob in 15 min and nobody would pay for a PPV again. hmmmmm... great idea!


DAmn, Big T! I got this one!:wink:
 
Thanks for the reply...

OK, so Earl gets kicked out. What does that do for the product being sold?

Exactly... you end up taking it in the ass over some cloth thats gonna get changed soon anyway. MAKES TOTAL SENSE! About as much sense as saying Earl dumped.
 
I agree with you assessment of this particular match but if you really were to break down the situation - there's no reason an underdog couldn't throw a match. As a matter of fact, it would actually be much easier to fly under the radar as the underdog. You bet on the favorite - ABSOLUTELY knowing that the favorite is going to win. So what if you have to give up odds on the money. Even if you are giving up 2:1 on the money. If you put up 50K on the favorite you can come out ahead by throwing the match.

Am I missing something here? It's quite possible I am.

This is just for my own amusement - I'm in NO WAY insinuating that this is what happened.

You make a very valid point. In this case however, I will never believe Earl would do that. I realize you aren`t saying he did.
 
I agree with you assessment of this particular match but if you really were to break down the situation - there's no reason an underdog couldn't throw a match. As a matter of fact, it would actually be much easier to fly under the radar as the underdog. You bet on the favorite - ABSOLUTELY knowing that the favorite is going to win. So what if you have to give up odds on the money. Even if you are giving up 2:1 on the money. If you put up 50K on the favorite you can come out ahead by throwing the match.

Am I missing something here? It's quite possible I am.

This is just for my own amusement - I'm in NO WAY insinuating that this is what happened.

I am not claiming Earl layed down either, I was just throwing out food for thought. I've played pool for over 40 years and seen all kinds of things go down.

I've seen EXACTLY what you just described go down on more than one occasion, but it was for less money than you just used as an example. It is a hell of a lot easier for the underdog to lose (and manipulate the spread or spot) than it is for the favorite...the underdog is EXPECTED to lose anyway. If I am playing a match, I can GUARANTEE I will lose, but there is NO guarantee that I will win.
 
Yea, thats gonna go over real well. DQ Earl on the first day and not refund all of your pissed off customers. There will be a lynch mob in 15 min and nobody would pay for a PPV again. hmmmmm... great idea!

Does HBO give people's PPV money back if/when a fighter is disqualified in the opening rounds of a boxing match?

Does HBO continue to get people to watch PPV boxing matches?
 
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