Diamond Table At Mosconi Cup

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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I thought USA would have a little advantage with a Diamond table at the cup this year. That Diamond was one of the easiest Diamonds I've saw in a long time. Maybe it was extra hot TV lights, but balls were going in from 6" down the rail, pluse balls that were hitting points were going in more than rattling. Johnnyt
 
You weren't the only one thinking that those pockets were buckets...

Ralf Souquet made a shot that hit the 1st diamond and still went in
 
When Glen finished my Diamond he told me it would never play as easy as it was playing until the nest recover. I had new Simonis and new Aramith pros waiting for him to do the work. He finished up about midnight the 2nd day and we played until about one in the morning, and yes there was a lot of shots that went that don't go now:p.

When the cloth and balls are slippery the table will seem like its got buckets.
 
Cuebuddy said:
When Glen finished my Diamond he told me it would never play as easy as it was playing until the nest recover. I had new Simonis and new Aramith pros waiting for him to do the work. He finished up about midnight the 2nd day and we played until about one in the morning, and yes there was a lot of shots that went that don't go now:p.

When the cloth and balls are slippery the table will seem like its got buckets.
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Yes, that and being in Las Vegas under hot TV lights is why the table is swallowing bad shots and rolling out the way that it is.
 
Ktown D said:
Yes, that and being in Las Vegas under hot TV lights is why the table is swallowing bad shots and rolling out the way that it is.
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I have a similar relative humidity in Colorado and it is huge for sliding balls.

"Can't lick a play" Made my day>LMAO
 
I thought I heard the commentators mention the lights they were using for the Mosconi cup were some new low-power and almost no radiant heat lights?
 
Hierovision said:
I thought I heard the commentators mention the lights they were using for the Mosconi cup were some new low-power and almost no radiant heat lights?
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I was there and the heat from those lights were so hot, I was sweating. It felt like a space heater at full blast!

S.G.
 
I also noticed how many rail first balls as well as points being hit with the ball still going. Especially the points? Did they alter the shelf on these blue label Diamonds? I know on the old ones, there's no hitting a diamond up the rail even on a very shallow shot and making the ball. And hitting the point almost never goes. Souquet hit a point at an angle where the ball shouldn't drop, but it did.


As previously mentioned, Vegas is real dry, add the hot lights ..new cloth, balls...very, very slick conditions. Probably as slippery as it gets.


The opposite of that is Florida (especially the summer), with worn/dirty Simonis on a Diamond with grungy balls. Have to pound balls to get cue ball action and have to be accurate. There's no sliding nothing in. For those of you in dry climates with faster tables, think bar box. Lot of cling. Sticky. Lots of drag on everything. Have to use double the speed to get the same draw or go multiple rails.


It's easier to adjust from wet conditions to dry than it is from dry to wet. Dry tables play easier.
 
Bola Ocho said:
I also noticed how many rail first balls as well as points being hit with the ball still going. Especially the points? Did they alter the shelf on these blue label Diamonds? I know on the old ones, there's no hitting a diamond up the rail even on a very shallow shot and making the ball. And hitting the point almost never goes. Souquet hit a point at an angle where the ball shouldn't drop, but it did.


As previously mentioned, Vegas is real dry, add the hot lights ..new cloth, balls...very, very slick conditions. Probably as slippery as it gets.


The opposite of that is Florida (especially the summer), with worn/dirty Simonis on a Diamond with grungy balls. Have to pound balls to get cue ball action and have to be accurate. There's no sliding nothing in. For those of you in dry climates with faster tables, think bar box. Lot of cling. Sticky. Lots of drag on everything. Have to use double the speed to get the same draw or go multiple rails.


It's easier to adjust from wet conditions to dry than it is from dry to wet. Dry tables play easier.
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I'm in Tampa, FL. My Valley table is out on a screened patio. Try a table with 4" pockets (all six) with Ridgeback Rails. Ridgebacks play very simialur to Diamond rails. With humidity between 25% and 45% you can be a bit off if shooting at pocket speed. Between between 50% and 65% it's a very tough table. From 70% to 100%...forget about being off an 1/8 "...it ain't going. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I'm in Tampa, FL. My Valley table is out on a screened patio. Try a table with 4" pockets (all six) with Ridgeback Rails. Ridgebacks play very simialur to Diamond rails. With humidity between 25% and 45% you can be a bit off if shooting at pocket speed. Between between 50% and 65% it's a very tough table. From 70% to 100%...forget about being off an 1/8 "...it ain't going. Johnnyt
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You are a warrior. I've lived in Florida and it's bad enough in some pool halls, I don't enjoy playing without climate control, exposed to the full humidity. Tried it several times. It's not the challenge, I just don't like the way the balls react. They cling a lot more if that's the word.

On that note, notice how the Filipinos complain the least about tables and conditions. Especially Efren. They just don't care. They can play on just about anything and adjust. It's all because of the conditions they grew up with in their homeland. Playing in rooms with no A/C and with that summer weather. Maybe that's why they learn to spin the ball so well? :D


Much of the North and West of the US is spoiled in terms of playing conditions. A bad day there is better than a good day down South. It is fun to watch those folks come down to Florida and decrease skill by a ball. Pros manage to adjust as is one of their skill sets. Strickland would complain nonstop about it. Then again, he complains about everything. Efren just similes and does his thing.
 
I don't think playing on a such easy table is good for pool, especially because this enforces the myth huge pockets= easy game " I can do it too" to the average Joe...
But probably matchroom doesn't want to see too much miss
 
Why doesnt Glen get nominated for the table tech in the US?? Doe's it even matter how the tables plays?? Really??? It almost sounds like some may say this is why this guy got out or this is why this guy lucked into a runout...

They all play on the same table!!! Whether the pockets are cut face open or square with a deep shelf it doesnt really matter does it?? The LIGHTS?? Do you really think at this level of play the lighting is gonna swing the outcome of the match??


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Does anybody here on this board have ACTUAL specs of the diamond they are playing on?? Doe's it ever matter??? Probably not but I would bet the table has 4 1/2" corners and 4 3/4" sides if they are playing on american soil.... I could be wrong about the side pockets but even at 5" its tough on diamond tables.

Overall America is the favorite here.. I dont give a goddam* F*ck what the score is!! They still have a shot and guess what??? Rodney getting in Darren's face is one reason to fear us.. Wether it was the crowd or not words were exchanged properly.

Sorry Sponsor for pool but I heard a top ranked draft picks in football carries guns and has a dog fighting ring at his house... But Nike love em right?? :rolleyes:
 
Bola Ocho said:
I also noticed how many rail first balls as well as points being hit with the ball still going. Especially the points? Did they alter the shelf on these blue label Diamonds? I know on the old ones, there's no hitting a diamond up the rail even on a very shallow shot and making the ball. And hitting the point almost never goes. Souquet hit a point at an angle where the ball shouldn't drop, but it did.


As previously mentioned, Vegas is real dry, add the hot lights ..new cloth, balls...very, very slick conditions. Probably as slippery as it gets.


The opposite of that is Florida (especially the summer), with worn/dirty Simonis on a Diamond with grungy balls. Have to pound balls to get cue ball action and have to be accurate. There's no sliding nothing in. For those of you in dry climates with faster tables, think bar box. Lot of cling. Sticky. Lots of drag on everything. Have to use double the speed to get the same draw or go multiple rails.


It's easier to adjust from wet conditions to dry than it is from dry to wet. Dry tables play easier.
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Nothing was changed on that Diamond table for this match, it's the same standard Diamond used in all the tournaments Diamond supports with their tables. Now, the players...well, that's a whole different story, but the table was the exact same table to play on...for BOTH teams!!!

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Nothing was changed on that Diamond table for this match, it's the same standard Diamond used in all the tournaments Diamond supports with their tables. Now, the players...well, that's a whole different story, but the table was the exact same table to play on...for BOTH teams!!!

Glen
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Glen, just wondering about the blue label diamonds...
They do seem to accept balls better is it because of a shorter shelf or pocket angles?
 
My point was that playing on a TIGHT Diamond this year might have helped the US players more than the Europe players as the US players play on Diamonds more. My other point was that this Diamond played VERY easy for whatever reason. But now that I think of it Mike and Shane like Diamonds and Johnny, Shawn, and Rodney (hate to group them together:rolleyes:) like Brunswicks...so forget the first point. Johnnyt
 
The Euros are hitting center pocket 3x better than us so i dont think a tighter table would help us at all.
 
Johnnyt said:
I thought USA would have a little advantage with a Diamond table at the cup this year. That Diamond was one of the easiest Diamonds I've saw in a long time. Maybe it was extra hot TV lights, but balls were going in from 6" down the rail, pluse balls that were hitting points were going in more than rattling. Johnnyt
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It does not mean the pockets are buckets. It can happen on 4 inch pockets also if the rubber of the rail is Soft,softer/softest. The ball does not bounce of the rail and it hugs the rail and drops into the pocket.:cool:
 
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